Water fluoridation should be scrapped!

05-04-2013 04:01PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Maybe you could try reading them?

I also posted a report comparing Children in the Republic to Children in Northern Ireland, any thoughts on this?

What was the conclusion?

zenno · 05-04-2013 04:04PM

jh79 wrote: »

I agree about the freedom to choose, but you have to admit there is an inconsistency there if you drink and smoke or eat processed food if health is one of your concerns re fluoride.

You are off topic, as what you are saying has no relation to this topic. I choose to drink alcohol and eat whatever i eat and i can change this habit if needed but you cannot stop drinking water, well unless you want to die that is.

05-04-2013 04:09PM

zenno wrote: »

You are off topic, as what you are saying has no relation to this topic. I choose to drink alcohol and eat whatever i eat and i can change this habit if needed but you cannot stop drinking water, well unless you want to die that is.

So you believe it infringes on your human rights and should be stopped. Fair enough.

It baffles me that something that the majority believe has benefits in terms of dental health without any adverse health implications would cause such consternation with some people. It all seems a bit extreme to me.

zenno · 05-04-2013 04:10PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Except - societies engage in collective action all the fucking time.
This is no different.

Yes, but societies of all kinds are full of idiots though, forcing their crap onto others without thinking sensibly.

Ziphius · 05-04-2013 04:13PM

jh79 wrote: »

So you believe it infringes on your human rights and should be stopped. Fair enough.

It baffles me that something that the majority believe has benefits in terms of dental health without any adverse health implications would cause such consternation with some people. It all seems a bit extreme to me.

It's interesting that you don't see similar opposition to that other halogen added to water: chlorine.

05-04-2013 04:19PM

Ziphius wrote: »

It's interesting that you don't see similar opposition to that other halogen water additive: chlorine.

Start up a website called chloride alert put some dodgy science on it, get a girl to claim she cured depression by avoiding it, it will be all over boards in weeks.

I blame the occupy movement, they were promoting this and homeopathy stuff all the time in Galway. The usual vague statements with little actual data supporting their claims.

zenno · 05-04-2013 04:20PM

jh79 wrote: »

So you believe it infringes on your human rights and should be stopped. Fair enough.

It baffles me that something that the majority believe has benefits in terms of dental health without any adverse health implications would cause such consternation with some people. It all seems a bit extreme to me.

I do indeed because i don't want to be ingesting this stuff every time i drink a pint of water. If i want to use fluoride for my teeth i will brush my teeth with fluoridated toothpaste. I do not like forced medication with no choice in the matter.

I have absolutely no problem with whatever people want to take or use as that is their choice and freedom to do so. I can see no problem with the removal of fluoride from the main water system because i am not infringing or forcing anyone to lack fluoride because they can find their own resources of fluoride in most stores very easily if they want to purchase it so everyone is happy.

I cannot understand why people get upset about this because when you give both sides a choice, it's a win win situation.

It all seems a bit extreme to me.

You think freedom to choose is extreme ?. It's not extreme, it's respect to both sides wishes.

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:20PM

jh79 wrote: »

What was the conclusion?

It's a lot of info to get through, on the topic of Enamel Fluorosis

"Comparing the fluoridated groups in RoI with the non-fluoridated groups in NI the difference in the distribution of Dean’s Index scores was statistically significant for 8- and 15-year-olds (p=0.0001, p<0.0001 respectively). Again the
prevalence of fluorosis was higher in the fluoridated RoI"

"The
prevalence of fluorosis among 8- and 15-year-olds in RoI has increased since 1984 (p<0.0001 for both groups). Studies on the level at which the public perceive fluorosis to be a problem are currently being designed. The relative contribution of fluoride toothpastes and water fluoridation to enamel fluorosis in Ireland should be studied further"

"The statistically significant differences are indicated in Table 7. Based on the work of Dean26 a
higher prevalence of diffuse opacities is to be expected among children in fluoridated areas.
Diffuse opacities were generally more prevalent among children and adolescents with a
lifetime’s exposure to fluoridated water when compared with the non-fluoridated RoI and NI
groups (p <0.0001)"

Ziphius · 05-04-2013 04:21PM

jh79 wrote: »

Start up a website called chloride alert put some dodgy science on it, get a girl to claim she cured depression by avoiding it, it will be all over boards in weeks.

I blame the occupy movement, they were promoting this and homeopathy stuff all the time in Galway. The usual vague statements with little actual data supporting their claims.

Good advice, though I'll probably need a low circulation popular music magazine on board too.

05-04-2013 04:22PM

Ziphius wrote: »

It's interesting that you don't see similar opposition to that other halogen added to water: chlorine.

I'm convinced that the main movers in this conspiracy believe in the more outlandish mind control stuff but only highlight the so called toxic effects to make it seem more legitimate. The cold war has a lot to answer for.

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:24PM

Ziphius wrote: »

It's interesting that you don't see similar opposition to that other halogen added to water: chlorine.

Chlorine does not accumulate in the brain, Fluoride does. Any witty reply to this fact ??

05-04-2013 04:31PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Chlorine does not accumulate in the brain, Fluoride does. Any witty reply to this fact ??

Oh the Pineal gland again, where nobody knows whether this build up has any implications good or bad, for all we know fluoride could be essential to its functioning.

By the way chlorine wouldn't exactly be the best thing to be ingesting at certain concentrations, it was used as a chemical weapon.

The point he is making is your fickle nature regarding what you ingest I'm assuming. Anti-water fluoridation is trendy at the moment sure wasn't it in hotpress!

So why not the toxin chloride?

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:32PM

jh79 wrote: »

I'm convinced that the main movers in this conspiracy believe in the more outlandish mind control stuff but only highlight the so called toxic effects to make it seem more legitimate. The cold war has a lot to answer for.

Says the guy who rambles on about every substance other than fluoride. Plus how could you ever call this a conspiracy? a conspiracy to stop something because it is of no benefit?

Plus you never answered the question I asked: If Ireland stops adding Fluoride will you be taking a Fluoride pill?

Ziphius · 05-04-2013 04:34PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Chlorine does not accumulate in the brain, Fluoride does. Any witty reply to this fact ??

You've missed my point. The argument was being made that fluorine should not be added to water because it is done without consent and this violates human rights. Surely, the exact same argument can be made for chlorine. Yet, I have never seen it.

Ziphius · 05-04-2013 04:36PM

News just in!

"Chlorinated water 'can DOUBLE the risk of heart and brain abnormalities"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1023696/Chlorinated-ater-DOUBLE-risk-heart-brain-abnormalities.html#ixzz2PbUOzvEs

05-04-2013 04:37PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Says the guy who rambles on about every substance other than fluoride. Plus how could you ever call this a conspiracy? a conspiracy to stop something because it is of no benefit?

Plus you never answered the question I asked: If Ireland stops adding Fluoride will you be taking a Fluoride pill?

Are you aware of the history of this topic? Look it up, interesting read. It also appears in the film Dr. Strangelove.

Soon I will be drinking pints containing 50ppm of the toxin alcohol, do you really think I would have a problem with a NaF pill.

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:38PM

jh79 wrote: »

Oh the Pineal gland again, where nobody knows whether this build up has any implications good or bad, for all we know fluoride could be essential to its functioning.

By the way chlorine wouldn't exactly be the best thing to be ingesting at certain concentrations, it was used as a chemical weapon.

The point he is making is your fickle nature regarding what you ingest I'm assuming. Anti-water fluoridation is trendy at the moment sure wasn't it in hotpress!

So why not the toxin chloride?

Once again ramble on and on.

And yes the Pineal gland is important I mean we are talking about ingesting Fluoride and The pineal Gland is one of the most absorbent structures when it comes to Fluoride. The rest of the brain doesn't contain Fluoride as it is protected by the Blood brain barrier. So yes I would think the Pineal gland is an important part to consider

for all we know fluoride could be essential to its functioning.

Ah no this is just wrong.

05-04-2013 04:39PM

Ziphius wrote: »

News just in!

"Chlorinated water 'can DOUBLE the risk of heart and brain abnormalities"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1023696/Chlorinated-ater-DOUBLE-risk-heart-brain-abnormalities.html#ixzz2PbUOzvEs

Pffff, if It was Hotpress then I might pay attention!

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:40PM

Ziphius wrote: »

You've missed my point. The argument was being made that fluorine should not be added to water because it is done without consent and this violates human rights. Surely, the exact same argument can be made for chlorine. Yet, I have never seen it.

But people don't care that chlorine is in water so what is your point? People don't want Fluoride in their water, no one gives a sh1t about Fluoride

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:42PM

Ziphius wrote: »

News just in!

"Chlorinated water 'can DOUBLE the risk of heart and brain abnormalities"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1023696/Chlorinated-ater-DOUBLE-risk-heart-brain-abnormalities.html#ixzz2PbUOzvEs

Great contribution It really adds to the topic of Fluoride by having zero relevance, keep up the good work.

05-04-2013 04:43PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Once again ramble on and on.

And yes the Pineal gland is important I mean we are talking about ingesting Fluoride and The pineal Gland is one of the most absorbent structures when it comes to Fluoride. The rest of the brain doesn't contain Fluoride as it is protected by the Blood brain barrier. So yes I would think the Pineal gland is an important part to consider

Ah no this is just wrong.

So what is the impact of this absorbed fluoride?

Also at what rate is it absorbed?

What % of fluoride we ingest is excreted?

Everything you say is vague and for a reason.

Start up again in the health science forum, discuss one paper at a time with your own interpretations not just cut and paste jobs for anti-water fluoridation sites.

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:44PM

jh79 wrote: »

Pffff, if It was Hotpress then I might pay attention!

So far you have added zero to this thread. Not a single published study to support your argument. Is Fluoride beneficial for trolls?

Ziphius · 05-04-2013 04:44PM

JJayoo wrote: »

But people don't care that chlorine is in water so what is your point? People don't want Fluoride in their water, no one gives a sh1t about Fluoride

That's my point. But why is this?

A toxic, non-vital, halogen added to out drinking water for "health reasons" without our permission.

This is chlorine. Why isn't the internet ablaze. Where is the girl against chlorine, the hot press articles, the After Hours threads?

05-04-2013 04:45PM

JJayoo wrote: »

So far you have added zero to this thread. Not a single published study to support your argument. Is Fluoride beneficial for trolls?

Bring to the science forum, no nonsense about "well the rest of Europe don't do it", one paper at a time. I'm game.

05-04-2013 04:45PM

Ziphius wrote: »

That's my point. But why is this?

A toxic, non-vital, halogen added to out drinking water for "health reasons" without our permission.

This is chlorine. Why isn't the internet ablaze. Where is the girl against chlorine, the hot press articles, the After Hours threads?

It's not cool enough.

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:46PM

jh79 wrote: »

So what is the impact of this absorbed fluoride?

Also at what rate is it absorbed?

What % of fluoride we ingest is excreted?

Everything you say is vague and for a reason.

Start up again in the health science forum, discuss one paper at a time with your own interpretations not just cut and paste jobs for anti-water fluoridation sites.

Do you need to be spoon fed? The Pineal Gland was discussed earlier in this thread. I posted up the study which first identified Fluoride accumulates in the Pineal gland, did you read it? and to say I am being vague is just tarded since I post all the links to the studies I quote, you're just too lazy to actually read them.

Ziphius · 05-04-2013 04:47PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Great contribution It really adds to the topic of Fluoride by having zero relevance, keep up the good work.

If you are really looking for a serious debate take jh79's advice and start a thread in one of the Science or Politics forums.

05-04-2013 04:48PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Do you need to be spoon fed? The Pineal Gland was discussed earlier in this thread. I posted up the study which first identified Fluoride accumulates in the Pineal gland, did you read it? and to say I am being vague is just tarded since I post all the links to the studies I quote, you're just too lazy to actually read them.

Ok that could be the first paper we discuss in the health science forum. Stick up a link give a couple of hours to read and we all give our opinions on the studies implication re water fluoridation.

JJayoo · 05-04-2013 04:49PM

Ziphius wrote: »

That's my point. But why is this?

A toxic, non-vital, halogen added to out drinking water for "health reasons" without our permission.

This is chlorine. Why isn't the internet ablaze. Where is the girl against chlorine, the hot press articles, the After Hours threads?

People know chlorine is added to the water and they don't care, so it isn't done without our permission, so your incorrect on that

Chlorine has "health reasons" it kills of crap in our water

So it is the complete opposite to Fluoride in that people don't care that it is in our water and it serves a purpose. How is this hard for you???

05-04-2013 04:49PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Do you need to be spoon fed? The Pineal Gland was discussed earlier in this thread. I posted up the study which first identified Fluoride accumulates in the Pineal gland, did you read it? and to say I am being vague is just tarded since I post all the links to the studies I quote, you're just too lazy to actually read them.

In the conclusion it says they could not say if this had any heath implications and further studies were needed? Is that right?

Water fluoridation should be scrapped!

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