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Ireland to build 'giant' wind turbines to power UK homes
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Cheap crappy and unserviceable chinese turbines will not be deployed in the midlands and no turbine will be located anywhere that close to a house anyway.
Of course none of this won't stop the usual serial anti pick an issue campaigners from clutching at straws and scaring people over absolutely nothing.
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Cheap crappy and unserviceable chinese turbines will not be deployed in the midlands and no turbine will be located anywhere that close to a house anyway.
Of course none of this won't stop the usual serial anti pick an issue campaigners from clutching at straws and scaring people over absolutely nothing.
No Chinese parts at all?
Which turbines are lined up for the Midlands and originating from which country
Have you any evidence to show that debris from broken or burning turbines can't travel more than 500 metres.
http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/9238
Caithness also has documented 221 separate incidences of blade failure, with pieces of blades documented to have flown over 1,300 meters—or 4,266 feet (4/5 of a mile). Blade pieces have gone through roofs and walls of nearby buildings."
Your choice to ignore the evidence relating to noise does not change the facts.0 -
Chloe Pink wrote: »No Chinese parts at all?
Which turbines are lined up for the Midlands and originating from which country
Not Chinese ones like I said.Have you any evidence..... flown over 1,300 meters—or 4,266 feet (4/5 of a mile). Blade pieces have gone through roofs and walls of nearby buildings."
Unsupported and unlinked evidence. I like this bit from your lurid (and unlinked and undocumented ) list of rocky horrors.
"suicides have also been linked to turbines, including a worker who hanged himself, a parachutist, and a farmer who killed himself after neighbors protested a turbine he put on his property."
So the wind yoke OBVIOUSLY killed the farmer right and the parachutist never asked...I wonder what is that big white yoke down there??!!!! That article is a good laugh so thanks for providing it even if it is crap.
Your choice to ignore the evidence relating to noise does not change the facts.
What facts. I never commented one way or another...that is a fact. 0 -
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Not Chinese ones like I said.
What facts. I never commented one way or another...that is a fact.
This turbine wasn't Chinese.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8944597/Blown-away-gales-wreck-wind-turbines-as-Scottish-storm-wreck-havoc.html
“We see turbine fires around the world when it gets very, very windy,” he said. “They usually shut themselves off as a safety feature if the wind gets too much. But sometimes there is another failure.
“It can catch on fire for a whole multitude of reasons. It can be the mechanism going into overdrive. It can be to do with the connections or oil catching alight.”
It was a Vesta turbine made in Argyll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardrossan_Wind_Farm
You posted "Of course none of this won't stop the usual serial anti pick an issue campaigners from clutching at straws and scaring people over absolutely nothing."
To which I responded "Your choice to ignore the evidence relating to noise does not change the facts."0 -
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Will we get back to Chloes suicide links , they are really terrible.
How did the parachutist not SEE the wind turbine he suicided into Chloe ????chloe pink wrote:http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/9238
From which > Three suicides have also been linked to turbines, including a worker who hanged himself, a parachutist, and a farmer who killed himself after neighbors protested a turbine he put on his property.
And HOW CAN YOU PROVE the parachutist committed suicide anyway....sure it could have been an accident all along. 0 -
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her link ?Sponge Bob wrote: »Thats what Chloe PROVED in her link what she posted.
good luck proving that because everyone knows there are no wimmins on the interweb0 -
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Where is the proof Chloe, this 1300m distance statement of yours is, frankly, outlandish and you have no link to any reports of any quality backing it up.
Long unlinked lists of horror stories about suicidal parachutists and farmers...and the rest...is not proof.
There are a number of pure demented anti wind campaigners quite near me in Galway and anyone would think the world is ending listening to some of their nonsense.Most of their ravings come from conspiracy type internet sites and lacks any balance or context.
Find a source for your 1300m assertation before you make it again. For now it is marked unproven IMO.
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And meanwhile you provide absolutely nothing, not a newspaper article or anything to support your claim that "no turbine will be located anywhere that close to a house anyway."Sponge Bob wrote: »Find a source for your 1300m assertation before you make it again. For now it is marked unproven IMO.
The issue is not around the figure of 1,300metres but is around the figure of 500 metres0 -
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Chloe Pink wrote: »And meanwhile you provide absolutely nothing, not a newspaper article or anything to support your claim that "no turbine will be located anywhere that close to a house anyway."
The issue is not around the figure of 1,300metres but is around the figure of 500 metres
This is a nonsense chloe, YOU introduced a figure of 1300m and now you are saying that it is not an issue.
If the 1300m is not an issue why did you repeatedly state that it was, you are the one who introduced that number not I ???
OH, and turbine separations are not based on "newspaper articles" ...don't go there please. 0 -
There is no legal separation distance between turbines and dwellings in Ireland. The guidance refers to properties at more than 500 meters in terms of noise and to 'within 500 metres' in terms of shadow flicker.Sponge Bob wrote: »This is a nonsense chloe, YOU introduced a figure of 1300m and now you are saying that it is not an issue.
If the 1300m is not an issue why did you repeatedly state that it was, you are the one who introduced that number not I ???
OH, and turbine separations are not based on "newspaper articles" ...don't go there please.
So although I can't find a legal minimum separation distance for Ireland, 500 metres is suggested by the guidance as significant. (Not that the wind industry has to abide by it and not that it's enough but that's beside the point right now ( http://www.ref.org.uk/publications/255-ioa-critique )).
You then wrote in terms of blade throw that "no turbine will be located anywhere that close to a house anyway."
I then pointed to a few articles and vids showing that debris had hit peoples properties and apparently at distances greater than 500 metres.
So if you know anymore about the separation diastances in Ireland and about the ballistic properties of debris from breaking, burning and falling turbines perhaps you'll enlighten us.
In the meantime, the best we've got to go by are the pieces of information I've provided and nothing from you except your opinion.0 -
Chloe Pink wrote: »There is no legal separation distance between turbines and dwellings in Ireland. The guidance refers to properties at more than 500 meters in terms of noise and to 'within 500 metres' in terms of shadow flicker.
So although I can't find a legal minimum separation distance for Ireland, 500 metres is suggested by the guidance as significant. (Not that the wind industry has to abide by it and not that it's enough but that's beside the point right now ( http://www.ref.org.uk/publications/255-ioa-critique ))..
That link is not the Irish guidelines is it and is as you say "beside the point right now". The Irish Guidelines ARE the minimum separation distance and are a bloody nuisance if one wishes to install a small turbine on their own land where no other property is within 500m of course.
There is no shadow flicker where a turbine is NORTH of a property anyway so a shadow flicker related separation of under 500m is irrelevant and you should know that the sun shines (generally) from the south and I should not have to prove it should I ????
The guidelines ( our guidelines not some random link pasted in to look good ) state that 500m should be enough for noise purposes. This is probably correct.
No blade has ever failed on any turbine and then gone 500m away MUCH less the 1300m you claimed based on some link from a loony site which also mentioned suicidal parachutists plummeting into Wind Turbines which was around where I decided the site was loonybins. Only small fragments have gone anywhere near that distance and where a blade failed serially while rotating.
None of these turbines where blades broke up under rotation were modern...generally only 1990s geared designs. A more modern turbine would shut down quicker and rotation is therefore not an issue as there ain't none.
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Chloe Pink wrote: »My apologies, I meant to include the Guidelines for Ireland link in my last post - here it is http://www.environ.ie/en/Publication...ad,1633,en.pdf as used in my post 437.
Note these are guidelines only and not legal requirements and they do not explicitly suggest a set back of 500 metres so the turbines could be closer to homes than this.
Those are our guidelines yes. In practice 500m is a minimum separation save for landowners hosting a turbine and who contractually opt into a lesser separation to their house only.
What does this mean exactly then??? I'd like a summary explanation.Light and Shadow flicker can be managed through curtailment if such conditions are included in planning consent, should it be granted.
Only where one is north(ish) of a turbine. If south it is irrelevant. Shadow flicker effects are frequently psychosomatic anyway.
If turbines are so noisy/obtrusive please explain why there is such a difference between these three pictures from Galway.
1. 2000 Link
2. 2005 Link
3. 2012 Link
and where people are shown steadily building houses within 300m of a windfarm over a 10 year plus period.
In fact the number of houses within 500m TREBLED over that time and those people even applied for planning permission to live there.So back to the ballistics of breaking, burning and falling turbines with no legal minimum set back distances from homes...any links at all to support your further assertions on this matter
No evidence that the 500m separation is not maintained in Ireland across all planning authorities....that I know of. Excepting those who CHOOSE to live within 500m as is their right.
Therefore irrelevant I should think....same as ever."Fraser McLachlan, the chief executive of GCube, a wind turbine insurer, said he was expecting a rise in turbine failures due to the “exceptional” weather in Scotland.
Insurance charges constantly rising on any excuse, how unusual.. A study by the EU called www.reliawind.eu
Thats a website, where is the study you refer to???0 -
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Where is the proof Chloe, this 1300m distance statement of yours is, frankly, outlandish and you have no link to any reports of any quality backing it up.
Long unlinked lists of horror stories about suicidal parachutists and farmers...and the rest...is not proof.
There are a number of pure demented anti wind campaigners quite near me in Galway and anyone would think the world is ending listening to some of their nonsense.Most of their ravings come from conspiracy type internet sites and lacks any balance or context.
Find a source for your 1300m assertation before you make it again. For now it is marked unproven IMO.
I guess seeing pictures and reading reports of potential hazards in your environs is going to cause anxiety !
I didn't have to search far to get these .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8998171/Wind-turbine-blades-fly-off-in-storm.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2071633/UK-weather-Wind-turbine-EXPLODES-hurricane-force-gusts-batter-Northern-Britain.html
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/safety-concerns-after-wind-turbine-snaps-and-falls-during-storm-29151242.html0 -
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