Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:05AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

It's up to each profession/ workersto get their unions to represent them, I make no apology for gardai defending their pay, get someone to defend yours if you have a problem! Waterford crystal workers may have had siptu and that tells its own story!

dear boy - have you read the thread ?
where i have shown support for the garda pay claim ?
i agree with their struggle , but pointing out the restraints they are held under by the garda act and the Constitution.

as for me , i have no union , i am self employed , no rights , no safety net , no pension , doing the MOST dangerous thing a Irish citizen does on a daly basis , drive 200+ miles a day

i have not seen one thread or seen one march in solidarity for my section of the workforce - if there is a worse treated member of the Irish workforce i have yet to see it.

they were being defended , as has been pointed out a million times , they walked out - even they admit it , and want to go back in, what don't you get about that?

tayto lover · 28-03-2013 01:06AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

thats fine but a lobby group cannot whinge when they are called out on their hypocrosy , i would say the same about liam doran , crying about the injustice of lowering the starting pay for freshy recruited nurses when a year ago he signed off on fabolous pensions for nurses with a few decades under their belt

cake and eat it , im afraid not

Liam Doran was 100% right to stand up for the pay and conditions of nurses.
That's what he gets paid for.

Pappa Charlie · 28-03-2013 01:07AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

dear boy - have you read the thread ?
where i have shown support for the garda pay claim ?
i agree with their struggle , but pointing out the restraints they are held under by the garda act and the Constitution.

as for me , i have no union , i am self employed , no rights , no safety net , no pension , doing the MOST dangerous thing a Irish citizen does on a daly basis , drive 200+ miles a day

i have not seen one thread or seen one march in solidarity for my section of the workforce - if there is a worse treated member of the Irish workforce i have yet to see it.

they were being defended , as has been pointed out a million times , they walked out - even they admit it , and want to go back in, what don't you get about that?

In other words, no one can protest until we all protest for you!

frankie_fisher · 28-03-2013 01:07AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I reckon most of it takes place on a bar stool!

if you were half as good at putting forward well thought out points as you are at trotting out baseless presumptions , you,d be harvard debating champion three years running

tayto lover · 28-03-2013 01:09AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

if you were half as good at putting forward well thought out points as you are at trotting out baseless presumptions , you,d be harvard debating champion three years running

I'm going to resist the urge ...

HondaSami · 28-03-2013 01:09AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

In other words, no one can protest until we all protest for you!

That made me lol

Sorry dj.

frankie_fisher · 28-03-2013 01:09AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Liam Doran was 100% right to stand up for the pay and conditions of nurses.
That's what he gets paid for.

your willfull stupidity knows no bounds

he gladly sacraficed new recruits conditions in order to provide extra padding for those sisters he sent off smiling into the sun

he,s a hypocrite to be accusing the goverment of disrespecting rookie nurses , he,s no idiot , he knows their are finite resources

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:10AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

In other words, no one can protest until we all protest for you!

no , not at all , but you cant demand total solidity from the public if you are only seen to react when it YOUR pay and conditions that are threatened . and good pay and conditions at that

the public support the garda in general, but they are not blind or stupid,
i have never met a poor garda - met plenty of poor other people.

speaks volumes to me

frankie_fisher · 28-03-2013 01:10AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

In other words, no one can protest until we all protest for you!

oh be quiet , you gormless idiot

Pappa Charlie · 28-03-2013 01:10AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

if you were half as good at putting forward well thought out points as you are at trotting out baseless presumptions , you,d be harvard debating champion three years running

How did you know I went to Harvard???

frankie_fisher · 28-03-2013 01:12AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

How did you know I went to Harvard???

i saw you cleaning the toilets

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:12AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

i saw you cleaning the toilets

OH NOES YO DIDNT

Pappa Charlie · 28-03-2013 01:13AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

oh be quiet , you gormless idiot

I forgive you Crankie Frankie !

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:14AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I forgive you Crankie Frankie ![/QUOT

He has a point in fairness

HondaSami · 28-03-2013 01:14AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

no , not at all , but you cant demand total solidity from the public if you are only seen to react when it YOUR pay and conditions that are threatened . and good pay and conditions at that

the public support the garda in general, but they are not blind or stupid,
i have never met a poor garda - met plenty of poor other people.

speaks volumes to me

There are plenty of guards who are struggling same as other people.

frankie_fisher wrote: »

oh be quiet , you gormless idiot

stop getting cranky.

tayto lover · 28-03-2013 01:14AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

your willfull stupidity knows no bounds

he gladly sacraficed new recruits conditions in order to provide extra padding for those sisters he sent off smiling into the sun

he,s a hypocrite to be accusing the goverment of disrespecting rookie nurses , he,s no idiot , he knows their are finite resources

What ??? My stupidity ?

:D:D
After the stuff you posted.

What was Doran to do?
Tell me how you would have reacted and still kept your nurses happy?
I am dying to hear this.

LizT · 28-03-2013 01:14AM

frankie_fisher don't post in this thread again please.

tayto lover · 28-03-2013 01:17AM

Nit nite all.
No hard feelings anyone

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:18AM

HondaSami wrote: »

There are plenty of guards who are struggling same as other people.

stop getting cranky.

but that is my point , plenty of them are , because we all are,
why should they be exempt from the cutting back and "life style adjustment" just because they are Garda ?
hey great job they do and all that , but others do a worthy job for the public and are being hit - so what makes them special and exempt form the collective **** storm ?

HondaSami · 28-03-2013 01:19AM

Nite johnboy, nite Mary Ellen, can't remember the rest.

Nite tayto

true · 28-03-2013 01:19AM

HondaSami wrote: »

There are plenty of guards who are struggling same as other people.
.

The struggles are different though, as highlighted on that RTE half hour programme in to the high Garda pay and pensions last night.

Gardai are struggling with their average €1,300,000 pension pot and wondering how to spend it.
Ordinary people know they will never have a pension pot like that, even if they are on twice the average industrial wage and work 33% longer than the Gardai.

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:19AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Nit nite all.
No hard feelings anyone

good call , i think you were due a nap , getting cranky

frankie_fisher · 28-03-2013 01:20AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Nit nite all.
No hard feelings anyone

dont suffocate on all that smug

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:21AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

il be banned by morning , you,l have to kick me out im afraid

go frankie - go

ill be waiting for you

HondaSami · 28-03-2013 01:26AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

but that is my point , plenty of them are , because we all are,
why should they be exempt from the cutting back and "life style adjustment" just because they are Garda ?
hey great job they do and all that , but others do a worthy job for the public and are being hit - so what makes them special and exempt form the collective **** storm ?

I'm not saying they should be exempt but cutting shift allowances is wrong and cutting Sunday pay is wrong IMO.
The hours are hard and unsociable so allowances should be generous IMO.
Its often a crappy job but there are good sides to it as well, like any job you get back what you give, it's not all bad.

LizT · 28-03-2013 01:29AM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

il be banned by morning , you,l have to kick me out im afraid

Done.

HondaSami · 28-03-2013 01:29AM

true wrote: »

The struggles are different though, as highlighted on that RTE half hour programme in to the high Garda pay and pensions last night.

Gardai are struggling with their average €1,300,000 pension pot and wondering how to spend it.
Ordinary people know they will never have a pension pot like that, even if they are on twice the average industrial wage and work 33% longer than the Gardai.

Maybe concentrate on the gardai who are walking the beat everyday and not the ones in suits., yes they do walk the beat.

Dyr · 28-03-2013 01:30AM

Maybe they should have got these shady looking characters to stage the walkout, hard to discipline a garda with their face covered and no numbers...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549927_541430402575960_2116030440_n.jpg

dj jarvis · 28-03-2013 01:33AM

HondaSami wrote: »

I'm not saying they should be exempt but cutting shift allowances is wrong and cutting Sunday pay is wrong IMO.
The hours are hard and unsociable so allowances should be generous IMO.
Its often a crappy job but there are good sides to it as well, like any job you get back what you give, it's not all bad.

as i said , change working practices to make savings and keep core pay
the AGSI must have some ideas other then walking out

Boombastic · 28-03-2013 01:33AM

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe they should have got these shady looking characters to stage the walkout, hard to discipline a garda with their face covered and no numbers...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549927_541430402575960_2116030440_n.jpg

It looks rough around those parts. The 'lady' with the sticks could turn on them at any minute

Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

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