Rubbish bin collected? No? Fine then.

ilovesleep · 24-03-2013 01:23PM

To some degree I can understand the reasoning behind this. I know in my locality and just on my road alone I can count at least 8 houses that never puts out a bin and in about 20 years have I ever seen a bin outside their place on bin collection day. In my own locality we used to have bin tags which moved to bin bags and many people then signed up for wheelie bins. But these houses, not one bag in years.

Every house occupied by people generates waste. Where are these people dumping their trash. I know it's been highlighted here that there are other services like bring your own trash into a dump. From the households, I have in mind, I doubt very much that they do this. 3 of them alone do illegal dumping. I know one who uses public bins. Drive down late at night to dump his bins. Another one who uses bogs. And another who uses other peoples bins.

I think this proposal is a good move. It will catch many stingy b@stards out. However, many people who fall in between the two ends of illegal dumping and wheelie bin service collection like using other ways for rubbish removal, maybe bin tags as an example, will be caught up in this and I don't think that's fair.

Irish Steve · 24-03-2013 01:23PM

Hmmmmmm........

Looks to me like the Dublin councils have "discovered" that they are on a hook they can't get off with the Ringsend Incinerator plan, so this is another way of making sure that there is enough garbage to feed the thing.

There is of course the thought that if enough local authority services are privatised, there will no longer be a need for local authorities. What's the betting that the fat cats at the top will have found another semi state to milk the system in.

Seems to me it would be simpler if we just let them introduce a simple communist system. That seems to be the way it's heading.

If it wasn't for my children being stuck here, I'd be gone, they've already destroyed my property value. my pension scheme and the rest of my retirement plans. now they're starting to make it impossible to even think about rebuilding any sort of future, and at nearly retiring age, I'm not sure I can cope with trying any more.

Maybe the only answer is a mass protest vote for SF, at least we'd be certain that the policies would be different to what we're being insulted with now.

clairefontaine · 24-03-2013 01:27PM

There are some areas of rural Ireland where there is no competition and one company will servive your area. So in effect there are little monopolies here and there, and now the government is going to back them up?

This situation is somewhat worse than communism, because you are in effect paying public taxes and private fees.

More and more the phrase "freedom to travel", usually applied to pregnant women, seems to be applying to the entire country.

What are the Irish people going to do about this?

ilovesleep · 24-03-2013 01:27PM

I reckon another reasoning behind this could be due to the property tax and how it's claimed it's for public services in your locality (and it's not and we all know it's not). People could backlash and force it to be for public services by for example cancelling their bins and dumping their trash at public bins. So the councíls are just one step ahead.

The Th!ng · 24-03-2013 01:30PM

If anyone calls to your house offering to take your rubbish the first thing you should do is ask them to show you their waste collection permit.

There is no charge on the disposal of household waste electrical equipment, yet all too often you'll see washing machines, cookers, televisions, etc dumped along the road.

The Th!ng · 24-03-2013 01:33PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

People could backlash and force it to be for public services by for example cancelling their bins and dumping their trash at public bins.

This is the reason why local authorities are often reluctant to introduce new public bins in areas.

Tazz T · 24-03-2013 01:42PM

I send all mine into space. What's next? A tax on domestic interstellar flight programmes?

madrabui · 24-03-2013 01:54PM

€75 fine for not having the service? €290 is the standing charge for the ONLY available waste collection service here.

I recycle or compost everything possible and purchase responsibly therefore I only need to use black bins a few times a year at €3.50 a bag.

Am I reading this correctly? It makes more sense for me to pay the fine rather than sign up for the service?

I can see that illegal dumping is increasing, but f**king hell being a goody f**king twoshoes doesn't pay off financially, only environmentally.

_Kaiser_ · 24-03-2013 02:29PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

What are the Irish people going to do about this?

The same thing they always do.. whinge, whine and then pay up anyway

We don't "do" civic responsibility in this country (or responsibility at all if we can help it). That's why despite the ranting about SF and 800 years and so on, we were falling over ourselves to hand over our "Independence" when we got it - first to the Church, then to the EU - because we just can't be let at the controls ourselves or stuff like this happens.

Add in greed, inferiority complexes (the "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality which has now become the "what are they getting away with that I'm not?" mindset), the "ah shure it'll be grand" approach to EVERYTHING, and then the insistence on voting in more of the same incompetent, corrupt clowns because "dey fixed de road" or "dey got my planning application through" or "my daddy/mammy voted for them" and is it really any surprise the country is in the mess it is?

Best thing that could happen here (and I'm sincere in this) is that Enda goes cap in hand to Lizzie and asks if she wouldn't mind very much stepping in again cause we've totally ballsed it up in not even 100 years! Before the flaming starts, what differences would we see.. the shops wouldn't change, the TV wouldn't change (which covers most of the population) and we might actually benefit from a system that while not perfect itself, at least has to be better than the twisted mess we made of it (seeing as we based most of our laws on UK examples anyway)

ilovesleep · 24-03-2013 02:57PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

There are some areas of rural Ireland where there is no competition and one company will servive your area. So in effect there are little monopolies here and there, and now the government is going to back them up?

This situation is somewhat worse than communism, because you are in effect paying public taxes and private fees.

That's it. Where I am from there is one company doing the service. Last time I priced the wheelie bins, it was charged at 480 a year. I'm guessing it's gone up now because of VAT increase. They also do bin bags (scandalous in that bags got much, much smaller for more and more money).

Making it compulsory and everyone to sign up, you would like to think that it may reduce the charge/fee for all involved but realisitically that won't happen. We'll be locked into something compulsory and the prices will keep on rising.

rolliepoley · 24-03-2013 03:40PM

I have this idea floating around in my head the last few years that only involves you and the local councils that would totaily eliminate the use of bins and bin collections and stop this money grabbing of the people by this ****ty gubberment.

If i had the money it would be up and running with in the year and would create jobs in this country and would be global in a few years.

Dwork · 24-03-2013 05:07PM

rolliepoley wrote: »

I have this idea floating around in my head the last few years that only involves you and the local councils that would totaily eliminate the use of bins and bin collections and stop this money grabbing of the people by this ****ty gubberment.

If i had the money it would be up and running with in the year and would create jobs in this country and would be global in a few years.

Pm me your idea-I Promise not to rob it

fasttalkerchat · 24-03-2013 06:30PM

And what if you recycle and compost and have a fire (in an area where you can have a fire). So you only have on rubbish bag per month. Will they accept one receipt per month? Surely anyone flytipping could legally dump one bag a month just for the receipt?

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 24-03-2013 08:19PM

Chinasea wrote: »

I for one am sick of smelling burning toxic fumes from neighbours back yards under the veil of darkness

Maybe there'll be a few less people with stinking toxic smoke billowing out of their chimney on a hot and sticky July night with no breeze. Doesn't seem to occur to them that someone living within a half mile of them might want to open a window.
I'm all for resistance to these charges, but I'm pissed off with people burning rubbish around here, it's been a real problem over the past few years. They're probably non-smokers too, who'd bitch and moan if some of my cigarette smoke wafted near them for a second. Yet here they are poisoning the whole neighbourhood to save a few quid.
Not completely in favour of what the gov are doing here, but I'm enjoying the silver lining.

fasttalkerchat · 24-03-2013 08:24PM

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

Maybe there'll be a few less people with stinking toxic smoke billowing out of their chimney on a hot and sticky July night with no breeze. Doesn't seem to occur to them that someone living within a half mile of them might want to open a window.
I'm all for resistance to these charges, but I'm pissed off with people burning rubbish around here, it's been a real problem over the past few years. They're probably non-smokers too, who'd bitch and moan if some of my cigarette smoke wafted near them for a second. Yet here they are poisoning the whole neighbourhood to save a few quid.
Not completely in favour of what the gov are doing here, but I'm enjoying the silver lining.

Are they trying to burn the remains of their dinner or what?

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 24-03-2013 08:30PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Are they trying to burn the remains of their dinner or what?

It's hard to tell just by smelling it, but if I had to guess I'd say old tires filled with dog shit.

opti0nal · 24-03-2013 09:50PM

kneemos wrote: »

If you compost and feed scraps to the dog and don't need a brown bin...

There's a fine for unregulated dog poop.

end of the road · 25-03-2013 01:54AM

Chinasea wrote: »

I for one am sick of smelling burning toxic fumes from neighbours back yards under the veil of darkness, seeing bust open black bags with houshold waste strewn around the paths rotting and festering.
Was in town lately up around the Smithfields area and beyond and the place was horrendous with rubbish dumped at every corner. Plenty out here in Dun Laoghaire also. It is sickening.

close your windows, clean it up if your that bothered, all this will still happen no matter what.

Chinasea wrote: »

As usual, most of us (willingly) comply

more fool you, you'l probably comply with every little thing that will come in no matter how stupid the things this government and future governments will bring in will be.

Chinasea wrote: »

for the greater good

hahahahahahahaha
"the greater good? what greateer good is that i wonder? you probably mean more conflicts of interests and favours to friends? lets face it thats the only "greater good" in this country, your delusianel if you believe otherwise

Chinasea wrote: »

but there will be those that care only about themselves

so what? why for example should i care about you?

Chinasea wrote: »

and therefore this needs to be addressed.

you can't force people to care about others

Chinasea · 25-03-2013 08:30PM

end of the road wrote: »

close your windows, clean it up if your that bothered, all this will still happen no matter what.

more fool you, you'l probably comply with every little thing that will come in no matter how stupid the things this government and future governments will bring in will be.

hahahahahahahaha
"the greater good? what greateer good is that i wonder? you probably mean more conflicts of interests and favours to friends? lets face it thats the only "greater good" in this country, your delusianel if you believe otherwise

so what? why for example should i care about you?

you can't force people to care about others

All I can say to this is that you seem to be an expert on RUBBISH,

Dwork · 26-03-2013 01:02AM

Dwork wrote: »

My list of upcoming Privatisations/Concessions/sold off- Water, deffo. Healthcare-deffo(see Virgin in the UK) Prisons-Deffo, just take a little while because of the unions, more toll roads, Ambulance services, The ESB,deffo. Bord Gais, all traffic speed and parking enforcement(there already almost), all state debt collection(as they're so bad at it), most council services such as repairs, almost all natural resources, most Bus and train routes.

Give it ten years and not one of these will be State run/owned, all will be hived off to the Private sector. All will produce a swiftly gobbled up short-term windfall, all will then cost both the state and the citizen far more for the forseeable future.

Announced today on the 9 o'clock news. I wonder will the items on this list get ticked off even faster than I reckoned? Pretty likley.

mb1725 · 26-03-2013 02:07AM

The dangerous thing is that most of our new laws and regulations lately are teating the people as criminals, you're now guilty until you prove your innocence. :mad:

dxhound2005 · 26-03-2013 02:52AM

Dwork wrote: »

Having worn out all other means of extracting cash(o.k, not all, not even many, but some) our good leaders are now introducing a new whizz that Households who do not have an agreement with a licenced waste collection service(i.e a bin company) are to be fined. €75 snots on the spot, to be precise, with failure to pay that leading to a court appearance and a potential €1700.00 fine.

So Ah, heading out at dusk to burn the papers? Scattering your weekly waste amongst the neighbours bins? Digging small holes in the local park and burying it? Them days are numbered. So, you need a compulsory T.V licence, you pay household Tax(or you will soon), you pay VAT on everything, you pay your taxes. You'll soon be paying for water. You pay for ESB, Gas, car tax, compulsory car insurance, expensive fuel for your house and vehicle. Your septic tank charges. And now you sign up to compulsory bin collection.

I for one am beginning to think I might just give Endas account number for my wages to be paid into. It would save a lot of messing. What think ye?

I don't know where you got that story from but I don't think it is new news. The bye laws have been in place for years, at least in Dublin.

http://www.dublincity.ie/WaterWasteEnvironment/Waste/Documents/household_waste_bye_laws.pdf

Dwork · 26-03-2013 11:01PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't know where you got that story from but I don't think it is new news. The bye laws have been in place for years, at least in Dublin.

http://www.dublincity.ie/WaterWasteEnvironment/Waste/Documents/household_waste_bye_laws.pdf

Its new news to me, if that's any good to you. That and the fact they now intend to enforce it.

dxhound2005 · 26-03-2013 11:42PM

Dwork wrote: »

Its new news to me, if that's any good to you. That and the fact they now intend to enforce it.

Where did you get the story from? I don't see anything on the Dublin City site announcing any change in policy. If it was a newspaper story they often "discover" something which has been the case for years and dress it up as if it is something new.

Dwork · 26-03-2013 11:50PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where did you get the story from? I don't see anything on the Dublin City site announcing any change in policy. If it was a newspaper story they often "discover" something which has been the case for years and dress it up as if it is something new.

If somthing has to be brand new to be posted in AH, will the last person out please turn on the alarm and off the lights. On another note, the article was about how inspectors were going to be starting calling on housholders to check if they had licenced waste collection in place. It might be older law, but it's getting implemented now.

dxhound2005 · 27-03-2013 12:01AM

Dwork wrote: »

If somthing has to be brand new to be posted in AH, will the last person out please turn on the alarm and off the lights. On another note, the article was about how inspectors were going to be starting calling on housholders to check if they had licenced waste collection in place. It might be older law, but it's getting implemented now.

Where did you get it from? I just want to see the original source please.

pretty*monster · 27-03-2013 12:16AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where did you get the story from? I don't see anything on the Dublin City site announcing any change in policy. If it was a newspaper story they often "discover" something which has been the case for years and dress it up as if it is something new.

I presume the story comes from the new draft bye laws that, according to the Dublin City BID website (http://www.dublincitybid.ie/tag/waste-collection/) are due in April.
If anyone can find where they are, or can explain why the last set of by laws are still in draft accounting to DCC's website http://www.dublincity.ie/WaterWasteEnvironment/Documents/DraftByeLawsCityCouncil.pdf that would be great.

dxhound2005 · 27-03-2013 12:23AM

pretty*monster wrote: »

I presume the story comes from the new draft bye laws that, according to the Dublin City BID website (http://www.dublincitybid.ie/tag/waste-collection/) are due in April.
If anyone can find where they are, or can explain why the last set of by laws are still in draft accounting to DCC's website http://www.dublincity.ie/WaterWasteEnvironment/Documents/DraftByeLawsCityCouncil.pdf that would be great.

Thanks for that. The link I posted has the bye laws current since 2006.

Dwork · 27-03-2013 12:28AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where did you get it from? I just want to see the original source please.

I didn't steal it Mister, please don't hit me. I found it, honest I did. I'm a good boy I am.

Rubbish bin collected? No? Fine then.

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