Rubbish bin collected? No? Fine then.

Ghost Buster · 23-03-2013 11:34PM

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

What do you mean by signing up for a collection service? What about buying bin tags or bin bags? Is that not the same thing?

I take my waste to a civic amenity centre. Much cheaper than paying bin charges.

fasttalkerchat · 23-03-2013 11:35PM

The Th!ng wrote: »

Bring your waste to a landfill or other licensed facility, keep your receipts as proof of proper disposal, by doing so you will avoid the waste company's annual charge and their per-lift costs as well.

What landfill gives you a receipt??

Dwork · 23-03-2013 11:36PM

The Th!ng wrote: »

That depends on how the waste is managed by the householder, instead of throwing waste directly into the bin, bag it and then into the bin.

The environmentally friendly way, eh.;)

KyussBishop · 23-03-2013 11:40PM

This makes no sense. The property tax is at least going to a public service, this is forcing subsidization of a private service???

If they're going to make people pay for it, just use the money provide it as a public service ffs.

This is the kind of idiocy you get, from privatizing essential public services; government still stepping in to force people to pay for it (thus effectively a tax), but it's run for-profit, and the profits go into private hands.

It's basically exactly the same as before, except paying even more so that private companies can engage in rent-seeking/service-charges off the populace, when that extra money could be put to public use (or just left in peoples pockets) instead.

There is not a single good reason this service should not be publicly provided, and as others have said, we are in for decades more of this, as services rights, infrastructure and national resources, are sold off at a pittance, to make a barely-noticeable dent in our debt load.

The Th!ng · 23-03-2013 11:41PM

Dwork wrote: »

The environmentally friendly way, eh.;)

It is if you use biodegradeable bags.

clairefontaine · 23-03-2013 11:45PM

So this is like Obamacare, but applied to trash collection?

This does not bode well.

Could this eventually happen to other public services like schools and health?

The Th!ng · 23-03-2013 11:47PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

What landfill gives you a receipt??

Any site taking waste from the public for a fee must be giving out receipts.

My local civic amenity site takes household waste, you put your money into a cash machine before disposal and you are issued with a receipt showing the amount paid, date and time, receipt id, etc.

Dwork · 23-03-2013 11:49PM

KyussBishop wrote: »

This makes no sense. The property tax is at least going to a public service, this is forcing subsidization of a private service???

If they're going to make people pay for it, just use the money provide it as a public service ffs.

This is the kind of idiocy you get, from privatizing essential public services; government still stepping in to force people to pay for it (thus effectively a tax), but it's run for-profit, and the profits go into private hands.

It's basically exactly the same as before, except paying even more so that private companies can engage in rent-seeking/service-charges off the populace, when that extra money could be put to public use (or just left in peoples pockets) instead.

There is not a single good reason this service should not be publicly provided, and as others have said, we are in for decades more of this, as services rights, infrastructure and national resources, are sold off at a pittance, to make a barely-noticeable dent in our debt load.

My list of upcoming Privatisations/Concessions/sold off- Water, deffo. Healthcare-deffo(see Virgin in the UK) Prisons-Deffo, just take a little while because of the unions, more toll roads, Ambulance services, The ESB,deffo. Bord Gais, all traffic speed and parking enforcement(there already almost), all state debt collection(as they're so bad at it), most council services such as repairs, almost all natural resources, most Bus and train routes.

Give it ten years and not one of these will be State run/owned, all will be hived off to the Private sector. All will produce a swiftly gobbled up short-term windfall, all will then cost both the state and the citizen far more for the forseeable future.

The Th!ng · 23-03-2013 11:54PM

Dwork wrote: »

My list of upcoming Privatisations/Concessions/sold off- Water, deffo. Healthcare-deffo(see Virgin in the UK) Prisons-Deffo, just take a little while because of the unions, more toll roads, Ambulance services, The ESB,deffo. Bord Gais, all traffic speed and parking enforcement(there already almost), all state debt collection(as they're so bad at it), most council services such as repairs, almost all natural resources, most Bus and train routes.

Give it ten years and not one of these will be State run/owned, all will be hived off to the Private sector. All will produce a swiftly gobbled up short-term windfall, all will then cost both the state and the citizen far more for the forseeable future.

We should incinerate FG and their Labour lapdogs?

Dwork · 23-03-2013 11:57PM

The Th!ng wrote: »

We should incinerate FG and their Labour lapdogs?

Already farmed out. Probably a condition attached was no incinerating the hand that feeds.

fasttalkerchat · 23-03-2013 11:57PM

The Th!ng wrote: »

Any site taking waste from the public for a fee must be giving out receipts.

My local civic amenity site takes household waste, you put your money into a cash machine before disposal and you are issued with a receipt showing the amount paid, date and time, receipt id, etc.

I didn't realise you paid for those!
When I was living in Dublin I couldn't find one so ended up going over the border. Now I'm living up North again and there's one in every town (free of charge of course.)
How much would it cost to dump a few bin bags?

The Th!ng · 24-03-2013 12:04AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I didn't realise you paid for those!
When I was living in Dublin I couldn't find one so ended up going over the border. Now I'm living up North again and there's one in every town (free of charge of course.)
How much would it cost to dump a few bin bags?

€4 per bag, €8 per wheelie bin.

Dwork · 24-03-2013 12:06AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I didn't realise you paid for those!
When I was living in Dublin I couldn't find one so ended up going over the border. Now I'm living up North again and there's one in every town (free of charge of course.)
How much would it cost to dump a few bin bags?

depends on how many mpg your car does on bog roads, round here anyway.

Maudi · 24-03-2013 12:13AM

mattjack wrote: »

I burn everything , you name it "El Flame" cremates it.
Today I burnt all household waste , a neighbours cat , two Fine Gael canvassers (who woulda thought shite burns ?) and a TV licence inspector.

my mate puts everything in the fireplace.i mean everything.plastic wood he calls it..cant say as i blame him.

clairefontaine · 24-03-2013 12:16AM

hoodwinked wrote: »

we hit every loophole when we needed help and got nothing but childrens allowance (for one)...

we are currently running off wages and paying full rent, entitled to nothing elsewhere means starting where we were here.

speaking with my aunt who lives in perth and they pay a singular council tax which pretty much covers all the services we pay a fortune for here... including refuse

don't worry i know starting from scratch won't be easy or cheap at first but with two good careers and qualifications behind us we should be just fine.

Starting from scratch is a hell of a lot easier than climbing up an ice mountain [which is what living here is].

You will pay taxes everywhere, but you expect some services and respect from your government in return. What goes on here is no less than financial abuse.

And it's never too late to start anew elsewhere.

fasttalkerchat · 24-03-2013 01:18AM

The Th!ng wrote: »

€4 per bag, €8 per wheelie bin.

I mean if you do it yourself, at a council dump.

The Th!ng · 24-03-2013 01:31AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I mean if you do it yourself, at a council dump.

The prices I quoted are what my local civic amenity charges, I was with Oxigen, but they had an upfront charge of €160 per year, plus €8 per wheelie bin after that, and they were not all that reliable so I didn't renew the contract with them. I've seen lots of people with Mr. BinMan bins, Oxigen, Greenstar, Waste Pal, etc at the facility disposing of the waste themselves.

woodoo · 24-03-2013 01:41AM

(b)A holder shall enter into a contract with a permitted waste collector for the collection of that waste, unless otherwise agreed by the appointed person in the Council.

The requirement for (b) above does not apply to waste holders that can demonstrate to the satisfaction of an authorised person that they have access to a waste collection and disposal service and provide the necessary documentary evidence of same.

That is basically the sting taken out of this new plan. We won't have to sign on with a waste collector and pay them a set fee to collect our waste. It will still be pay as you go, you can take the waste to the recycling centre or put the bins out for the collector its not a big deal so long as you can demonstrate you are disposing of your waste lawfully.

twowheelsonly · 24-03-2013 01:57AM

Anyone wrote: »

Thats shocking OP, imagine.....having to pay for a service.If this continues you wont get anything for free!!!

Except in this case you're not paying for using a service - you're paying for not using a service.
As has already been pointed out here many people choose to use local amenity services and recycling facilities which works out a hell of a lot cheaper.

hamsterboy wrote: »

This is laughable. I burn any food waste in my fireplace. Recycle all bottles and cans and then anything else is bagged and once every few weeks I fill the boot of the Scenic and bring it to the waste management depot.... Nothing illegal, just frugal and now they wanna penalise me... Bring it on!

Dionysius2 · 24-03-2013 02:11AM

The Th!ng wrote: »

Any site taking waste from the public for a fee must be giving out receipts.

My local civic amenity site takes household waste, you put your money into a cash machine before disposal and you are issued with a receipt showing the amount paid, date and time, receipt id, etc.

But this as you say only applies to the Household waste (the kitchen food leftovers etc) and not to the newspapers, bottles, tincans, etc.......you can bring that stuff along to the waste disposal place too but no receipt issues which is what I do so how can I then show that I did bring my waste to the right place ?

cursai · 24-03-2013 02:54AM

just ignore it. like the tv licence

tdv123 · 24-03-2013 06:48AM

Keno 92 wrote: »

Start your own waste collection business.

Problem solved.

Out of curiosity what do you need to prove in a court that you actually have & run your own business?

stoneill · 24-03-2013 09:13AM

Anyone wrote: »

Thats shocking OP, imagine.....having to pay for a service.If this continues you wont get anything for free!!!

You misunderstand - he is being forced to pay for a service he does not use or need.
Similar to people being forced to pay for a TV licence when they have a TV or not, and water charges when they have their own source of water and septic tank charges, a tax on your shíte.

Nobody really complains about a service they use, unless the service is below standard, less than acceptable and not very efficient which is all too common.

Essentially the property tax is what was once called rates - and they were used to pay for services like bins, water and a annual scrap collection etc.
Flash forward to now - we pay rates and now we also pay for all the services whether we use them or not.
See? That is what irks people.

Chinasea · 24-03-2013 09:45AM

The sooner the better.

I for one am sick of smelling burning toxic fumes from neighbours back yards under the veil of darkness, seeing bust open black bags with houshold waste strewn around the paths rotting and festering.

Was in town lately up around the Smithfields area and beyond and the place was horrendous with rubbish dumped at every corner. Plenty out here in Dun Laoghaire also. It is sickening.

As usual, most of us (willingly) comply for the greater good, but there will be those that care only about themselves and therefore this needs to be addressed.

Systemic Risk · 24-03-2013 10:07AM

Maybe not a bad idea. I was out jogging yesterday just outside galway city, really beautifiul, hilly landscape but it sickened me to see the amount of rubbish dumped in fields along my route.

Truley · 24-03-2013 10:36AM

Chinasea wrote: »

The sooner the better.

I for one am sick of smelling burning toxic fumes from neighbours back yards under the veil of darkness, seeing bust open black bags with houshold waste strewn around the paths rotting and festering.

Was in town lately up around the Smithfields area and beyond and the place was horrendous with rubbish dumped at every corner. Plenty out here in Dun Laoghaire also. It is sickening.

As usual, most of us (willingly) comply for the greater good, but there will be those that care only about themselves and therefore this needs to be addressed.

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Maybe not a bad idea. I was out jogging yesterday just outside galway city, really beautifiul, hilly landscape but it sickened me to see the amount of rubbish dumped in fields along my route.

Ah come on! the kinds of people that do this kind of thing are going to do it no matter what. I have two compost heaps, all my food/garden waste, tea leaves, pet litter, paper and cardboard goes in it. Plastics etc go in the recycle bin. Between two of us we have only put out about three bins in two years. One was mostly the previous tenants' rubbish and the others weren't even full they were just starting to smell. I already pay for this service. All this is going to do is penalise the law abiding, and not make a blind bit of difference for the people that illegally dump or dodge waste charges. Typical.

And by the way, my frugality with waste management is as much about concern for the environment as it is for financial saving. So even if I did have to pay a blanket fee, I wont be changing how I compost or recycle. Though I imagine many people will. So it's a real sickener on two accounts. :mad:

Wibbs · 24-03-2013 11:19AM

Chinasea wrote: »

As usual, most of us (willingly) comply for the greater good

There's a sentence that gives me the creeps TBH.

iguana · 24-03-2013 11:51AM

Dionysius2 wrote: »

But this as you say only applies to the Household waste (the kitchen food leftovers etc) and not to the newspapers, bottles, tincans, etc.......you can bring that stuff along to the waste disposal place too but no receipt issues which is what I do so how can I then show that I did bring my waste to the right place ?

I guess you'll just have to keep the receipts you do have and as back-up maybe take a few photos that demonstrate that you recycle the majority of your waste. Ime most household waste can be disposed of for free. When I first moved back to Ireland my waste disposal cost less than €24 a year as it took 14 months to fill my black bin 3 times at €8 a lift. Then the next thing I know I'm being charged €50 a year just to be signed up to a service with bin lifts at €10. Opting out and paying €2 a sack at the bring centre is the only thing that makes sense in that scenario.

I think I'd enjoy getting asked to demonstrate how I deal with my waste. I'd love nothing more than to shove the head of whatever idiot came up with this fine into a bucket of my son's dirty cotton nappies. Preferably after he starts eating solids and his shít actually stinks.

_Kaiser_ · 24-03-2013 12:29PM

OK I'm confused... maybe it's too early on a Sunday morning.

I rent an apartment in Dublin (non Corporation area). I have 2 bins - a black bin and there's a shared big green pin parked in a common area out the back.

The black bin goes out maybe once every 6 months (I live alone and cooking doesn't extend much past heating it, deep-frying it, or ordering it in) whereas I throw a bag full of recyclables into the green bin once/twice a week. Both bins are picked up once a week for everyone in the estate.

So what changes will this mean to me?

The Th!ng · 24-03-2013 01:22PM

Dionysius2 wrote: »

But this as you say only applies to the Household waste (the kitchen food leftovers etc) and not to the newspapers, bottles, tincans, etc.......you can bring that stuff along to the waste disposal place too but no receipt issues which is what I do so how can I then show that I did bring my waste to the right place ?

Explain to the staff that you need proof of disposal, ask them for a hand written receipt on headed paper.

Rubbish bin collected? No? Fine then.

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