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Indo v Times?

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  • #62
    Capt'n Midnight
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    April O Neill wrote: »
    Actually, that's a major problem with media in the UK and Ireland. Journalists are not required to name their sources. This is wrong. I know in the US, you have to, if asked.
    Remind me again of the scandal we had here where the only person to go to prison was the Journalist who protected his source.


  • #63
    Fox_In_Socks
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    April O Neill wrote: »
    That's different, obviously. In other cases, they should have to. They don't have to in any circumstance here. It's not journalist practice in other countries, and rightly so.
    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Remind me again of the scandal we had here where the only person to go to prison was the Journalist who protected his source.

    She's talking about herself. She'd the inside scoop on the Teenage Mutant Turtles, but wouldn't give in to pressure.


  • #64
    FixdePitchmark
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    awec wrote: »
    The rugby provinces are probably Ireland's "biggest"/most well known sports teams/clubs.

    TBH I've never noticed any excessive rugby coverage in the times, seems to be pretty even between football, rugby and the gaa.


    No they are not. I think you are losing the run of yourself with Rugby there.

    By participation rugby is not in top 10.
    Domestically there is nothing near GAA.
    And Internationlly there is nothing near Soccer.


  • #65
    awec
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    No they are not. I think you are losing the run of yourself with Rugby there.

    By participation rugby is not in top 10.
    Domestically there is nothing near GAA.
    And Internationlly there is nothing near Soccer.
    I think we're both saying something slightly different but ok.

    Except for rugby not being in the top 10, which is a ridiculous notion. What nine sports do you reckon are ahead of it? :pac:


  • #66
    FixdePitchmark
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    awec wrote: »
    I think we're both saying something slightly different but ok.

    Except for rugby not being in the top 10, which is a ridiculous notion. What nine sports do you reckon are ahead of it? :pac:


    Look up any Irish Sports Monitoring report.


    Rugby is not mentioned and is below dance if it is any help to you.

    "Overall personal exercise is the most popular activity (11%). Swimming continues to grow (10%) and the apparent boom in running is captured with 7% participating. Soccer (6%), cycling (6%) golf (5%) and dance (4%) are also very popular"

    Wiki

    Soccer is the most played team sport in Ireland. Swimming, golf, aerobics, cycling, Gaelic football and billiards/snooker are the other sporting activities with the highest levels of playing participation in the Republic of Ireland.[1]


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  • #67
    sock puppet
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    Look up any Irish Sports Monitoring report.


    Rugby is not mentioned and is below dance if it is any help to you.

    "Overall personal exercise is the most popular activity (11%). Swimming continues to grow (10%) and the apparent boom in running is captured with 7% participating. Soccer (6%), cycling (6%) golf (5%) and dance (4%) are also very popular"

    Wiki

    Soccer is the most played team sport in Ireland. Swimming, golf, aerobics, cycling, Gaelic football and billiards/snooker are the other sporting activities with the highest levels of playing participation in the Republic of Ireland.[1]

    In terms of competitive sport participation is a pretty useless measure. Swimming for instance is a tiny sport and there are only around 10,000 registered swimmers in the whole country.


  • #68
    awec
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    Look up any Irish Sports Monitoring report.


    Rugby is not mentioned and is below dance if it is any help to you.

    "Overall personal exercise is the most popular activity (11%). Swimming continues to grow (10%) and the apparent boom in running is captured with 7% participating. Soccer (6%), cycling (6%) golf (5%) and dance (4%) are also very popular"

    That same report has soccer way ahead of GAA. I thought nothing came close to GAA ?

    It also has "exercise" listed as a sport, whatever the hell that is.


  • #69
    Kinski
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    April O Neill wrote: »
    That's different, obviously. In other cases, they should have to. They don't have to in any circumstance here. It's not journalist practice in other countries, and rightly so.

    It's common journalistic practice all over the world. See the Wikipedia page on it:
    ...the European Court of Human Rights stated in the 1996 case of Goodwin v. United Kingdom that "[p]rotection of journalistic sources is one of the basic conditions for press freedom ... Without such protection, sources may be deterred from assisting the press in informing the public on matters of public interest. As a result the vital public-watchdog role of the press may be undermined and the ability of the press to provide accurate and reliable information may be adversely affected." The Court concluded that absent "an overriding requirement in the public interest", an order to disclose sources would violate the guarantee of free expression in Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights.


  • #70
    FixdePitchmark
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    awec wrote: »
    That same report has soccer way ahead of GAA. I thought nothing came close to GAA ?

    It also has "exercise" listed as a sport, whatever the hell that is.

    Anyway - I don't think you can talk up Rugby that much. It is a minority sport.

    Played by a few schools.


  • #71
    aherringterm
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    Just read the herald or the star there myself on the weekdays pick one up in the shops on the way into me course in fas. dont mind flickin through the indo though for the sports and showbiz or that usually good coverage. times isnt the best their tv guide is pretty good though at the weekends


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  • #72
    plannerscanner
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    The GAA coverage in the the Times as pretty harmless to be honest although I will agree that in recent years it has improved. Keep an eye on Gerry Thornley pieces that seem to get pushed to the front page - it happens more often than one would think for a serious newspaper. Also there is a large discrepancy in the amount paper given over to schools rugby compared to other schools competitions. I have nothing against rugby it's just I seem to have to skip passed an inordinate amount of pages on a Six Nations weekend to get to any other sports news.


  • #73
    Jimoslimos
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    The cryptic crossword is more difficult in the IT than the Indo, which can be taken as a rough approximation as to their relative qualities.

    An Irish broadsheet akin to The Guardian/Observer would be perfect


  • #74
    oppenheimer1
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    The cryptic crossword is more difficult in the IT than the Indo, which can be taken as a rough approximation as to their relative qualities.

    An Irish broadsheet akin to The Guardian/Observer would be perfect

    The Guardian panders to its own readers prejudices too much I find.


  • #75
    Mr.David
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    The Guardian/Observer is far too left wing.


  • #76
    Jimoslimos
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    Mr.David wrote: »
    The Guardian/Observer is far too left wing.
    Well if not pandering to sensationalist witch-hunts against immigrants, bemoaning the supposed breakdown in society, acting as a puppet for Rupert Murdoch's political views, etc., is considered left-wing well then call me left-wing. It's hardly the Socialist Worker now is it.


  • #77
    Yitzhak Rabin
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    I prefer the Irish Times, and I think its political coverage is excellent.

    However, I'll sometimes buy the Indo as Kevin Myers writes fantastic opinion pieces for them.


  • #78
    Grayson
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    Mr.David wrote: »
    The Guardian/Observer is far too left wing.

    I'll agree there is a left wing slant. But they aren't sensationalist and more importantly, they're accurate. Getting the story right is more important than the political view. Remember, for well over a year they were the only paper that published anything about the phone hacking scandal.
    Plus you'll find articles in the comment section from a wide range of people. Rightwing US hawks, Left wing feminists, even world leaders occasionally.




    I haven't read the IT in a while. Does anyone know if they still do the take 5 item in the property section on thursdays? I used to love reading that in the tiger bubble. They'd show a small semi detached in Dalkey and show you a chateau in france for the same price.


  • #79
    anncoates
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    awec wrote: »
    Indo sports coverage is awful. Conor George is a terrible troll and if he qualifies as a journalist then anyone does..

    Or Dion Fanning.

    He sounds like some retard in your local pub prattling on about the Premier League.


  • #80
    armchair fusilier
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    Mr.David wrote: »
    The Guardian/Observer is far too left wing.

    Get the telegraph, mail, express or the sun then.


  • #81
    LordSutch
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    How where & why did 'The Independent' become 'the Indo'?


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  • #82
    anncoates
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    How where & why did 'The Inde[COLOR="Gray"]pendent[/COLOR]' become 'the Indo'?

    I think it's called an abbreviation.


  • #83
    Fox_In_Socks
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    anncoates wrote: »
    I think it's called an abbreviation.

    Yeah, but The Indie would make more sense, no? I mean, it sounds closer to the original word and conveys the sense of "cool independent thought" that the paper possesses?


  • #84
    Mr.David
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Well if not pandering to sensationalist witch-hunts against immigrants, bemoaning the supposed breakdown in society, acting as a puppet for Rupert Murdoch's political views, etc., is considered left-wing well then call me left-wing. It's hardly the Socialist Worker now is it.

    Yeah well that's the other extreme....the Guardian is just a bit too tree-hugging and socialist for me. The Telegraph is better imo.


  • #85
    Augmerson
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    Indo is a rag.

    Times not the best either, but not an out and out rag. Wouldn't wipe my arse with either.

    One more time, because it feels good:

    INDO IS A RAG.


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