Indo v Times?

They are both right of centre rags. Before the liberal IT Groupies come on talking up its lefty credentials remember the IT morphed into a Property Selling rag under the helm of a former PD TD.

When the "paper of record" should have been doing its duty in 2005/06/07 by commenting on the bubble and impending financial collapse, bar the odd token FOT or David McW. column,it was primarily focused on flogging house's and apartments.

Good riddance to the IT when it eventually goes tits up.

opinion guy wrote: »

Indo is a right wing rag.

IT can occasionally be a rag and occasionally right wing but usually makes a fair effort to include some actual journalism. Don't know why they give John Waters a column however - I think its sort of a troll element - allow him to wind people up so they write in letters

let's not forget the low-frequency trollings of Roisin Ingle. It'd wear you down slowly with the smugness. She's the Instagram to Waters' YouTube commentary.

The irish times investigates problems and issues in Irish society. Where as the Irish independent takes something small blows it out of proportion and makes it a headline story( mistranslating the polish women's experience of Ireland last year).

The Irish times appears to value it's independence where as the independent lacks freedom since denis o Brien is buying a large share in loss making business that is questionable whether it will make a profit again but has influence over what it writes about him.

I would read both two but for a deeper perspective on what is happening I would go for the Irish Times.

The Irish Times is an Irish daily broadsheet newspaper launched on 29 March 1859,Though formed as a Protestant nationalist paper, within two decades and under new owners it had become the voice of Irish unionism.[5] It is no longer considered a unionist paper; it is generally perceived as being politically liberal and progressive, as well as being centre-right on economic issues,The Irish Times has the most foreign bureaux of any Irish newspaper.[citation needed] It has had full-time correspondents in Washington, Paris, Berlin, Beijing, Brussels, London, Africa and other parts of the world.

Circulation has declined in recent years. According to the Audit Bureau of Circulations, it had a daily circulation of 100,951 during the first six months of 2011.[7] The average daily circulation, of the Irish Times was down to 92,565 for the period January to June 2012 according to the ABC. This represented a fall in circulation of 8% on a year-on-year basis, slightly less than the average newspaper decline of 9%.[8] Circulation then further declined to 88,356 for the period July to December 2012. This represented a fall in circulation of 8% on a year-on-year basis. [9


The Irish Independent was formed in 1905 as the direct successor to the Daily Irish Independent, an 1890s pro-Parnellite newspaper, and was launched by William Martin Murphy, a controversial Irish nationalist businessman, staunch anti-Parnellite and fellow townsman of Parnell's most venomous opponent, Bantry's Timothy Michael Healy.[2]

During the 1913 Lockout of workers, in which Murphy was the leading figure among the employers, the Irish Independent vigorously sided with its owner's interests, publishing news reports and opinion pieces hostile to the strikers, expressing confidence in the unions' defeat and launching personal attacks on the leader of the strikers, James Larkin. The Irish Independent described the 1916 Easter Rising as "insane and criminal" and famously called for the shooting of its leaders.[3] In December 1919, during the Irish War of Independence, a group of twenty IRA men destroyed the printing works of the paper, angered at its criticism of the Irish Republican Army and largely pro-British and Unionist stance. In 1924, the traditional nationalist newspaper, the Freeman's Journal, merged with the Irish Independent.

In the 1970s, it was taken over by former Heinz chairman Tony O'Reilly. Under his leadership, it became a more populist, market liberal newspaper—populist on social issues, but economically right-wing. By the mid-nineties its allegiance to Fine Gael had ended. In the 1997 general election, it endorsed Fianna Fáil under a front page editorial, entitled "It's Payback Time". While it suggested its headline referred to the fact that the election offered a chance to "pay back" politicians for their failings, its opponents suggested that the "payback" actually referred to its chance to get revenge for the refusal of the Rainbow Coalition to award the company a mobile phone licence, from wiki :-)

starlings wrote: »

Is her IT cousin 'Dorothy from Dalkey'?

I'd say Derval (can't imagine there's too many Dorothys anywhere in Ireland), but the IT would be more likely to picture a man reading their copy.

April O Neill wrote: »

Actually, that's a major problem with media in the UK and Ireland. Journalists are not required to name their sources. This is wrong. I know in the US, you have to, if asked.

Protecting sources is a practice among journalists; if a court orders a journalist to disclose her source, she faces prison if she does not comply (and some do refuse in those circumstances.)

mikom wrote: »

The Indo soaks up chip grease better.......... so it has that in its favour.

It's soft on the backside as well.

It's got full coverage.:P

Kinski wrote: »

Protecting sources is a practice among journalists; if a court orders a journalist to disclose her source, she faces prison if she does not comply (and some do refuse in those circumstances.)

That's different, obviously. In other cases, they should have to. They don't have to in any circumstance here. It's not journalist practice in other countries, and rightly so.