Pope francis already spouting bullsh1t

krudler wrote: »

yeah because celibacy never lead to anything bad happening in the church, sweet jesus..

Yeah, but in fairness, with regards child abuse by the church in Ireland, Pope Benny had a zero tolerance approach.

Zero tolerance for state laws.
Zero tolerance for the victims.
Zero tolerance for doing what was right.

Ah good old zero tolerance. Who did Palpatine replace Brady with again, I forget.

CerebralCortex wrote: »

I'm sorry, were you expecting something new?

Yeah, give the guy a break, he's just doing his job.:p

It turns out the pope is a catholic. We learn something new everyday on the interweb.

I thought the fact that he said "for the moment", admitted to cons and suggested it wasn't a faith thing but an exercise in discipline were all pretty positive tbh.

You know how long it takes for a big company to change policies?
Well, the catholic church is one of the biggest companies in the world.

I'm actually baffled he even said "for the moment" instead of just killing the notion outright. Not to mention "It is a matter of discipline, not of faith. It can change."

No earlier pope has come close to statements like that.

Peregrinus wrote: »

Nitpick: There is no Church rule prohibiting drinking alcohol on Good Friday. There never has been.

Where is the actual rule book? We were told a lot of stuff in religion in school, and I sometimes wonder if the nun wasn't making it up or exaggerating.

Stuff like not eating an hour before communion, not playing with yourself, not having sex as a married couple for purposes other than procreation.

Any way to check whether an activity is ok or not?

Does a bear sh1t in the woods?

Does the Pope protect paedophile priests?

the culture of deference wrote: »

Here is a quote from the new pope about the important value of mandatory celibacy for Catholic priests.


"For the moment, I am in favour of maintaining celibacy, with all its pros and cons, because we have 10 centuries of good experiences rather than failures."



However, he also said:


"It is a matter of discipline, not of faith. It can change."


In the same interview he praised the "zero tolerance" approach to clerical abuse in Ireland of his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI.


Pope Francis considered quitting his vocation after being "dazzled by a girl" at a wedding.

Im not getting your point. What difference would celibacy make to you or I or anyone for that matter? I hope youre not linking it to paedophilia ?

If a priest wishes to join the club, he knows the rules. He is giving his life to 'god'. He may sometimes find that hard, nature is nature. If he acts or feels he is about to act then he should leave the priesthood. Simplistic I know but thats the basics.

Dades wrote: »

Well most people think it would be for the church's own good. It would certainly bump up the vocations. It would also lend them a bit more credence, as the notion of a bunch of celebate men telling people what (not) to do with their bits has always been laughable.

No, it might not affect non-believers materially but I'd prefer to see a church that allowed many of it's lonely workers a shot at a real life. It might eventually even cause the hierarchy to lighten up a bit.

Well, its not the men telling us, its the 'word of the lord' , theyre just passing it on, but I know what youre saying. Means changing the rules though, which for me is end game for the RCC. Its either the rules or not so for me it would reduce the credence, what little it has. When people look at it as simply a group of celibate men telling you what to do with your bits, I think theyre missing the real point. Sex outside marriage is more likely to have more difficult outcomes to deal with, break ups, etc. I completely take many marriages break up, but in the ideal perfect world, where people get married, stay together etc then it is a good idea. But completely idealistic I concede and therefore a non-worker. So maybe they need to concentrate more on the spiritual side rather than the every day living side, I dunno, Im rambling.

Second problem is who pays for their new wife and probably family? Cause I sure as hell aint

The vocation numbers.............yeah, maybe, I havent read any studies around it so cant really comment. Ill say this though. The church is in a panic as to why numbers are dropping................what I suggest is they examine why numbers were so high in the first place ? I think they need to return to life of servitude to the people, of poverty, of love, compassion and human decency, as Jesus allegedly displayed and mother theresa for example did display. Dont think gettin their rocks off is gonna make a difference

Kevcol wrote: »

Does a bear sh1t in the woods?

Does the Pope protect paedophile priests?

I am irritated that I can no longer say "is the pope a nazi?" when asked if I want a beer. :mad:

MrP

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

The new equivalent is "does the pope throw socialists out of helicopters?"

I know it ain't so catchy.

Yeah. Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

MrP

Methememb wrote: »

Why should you all care, being atheists?

Sweet mother of divine Jesus Christ!! (Said exasperatingly as opposed to reverently...)

Hoboo wrote: »

Means changing the rules though, which for me is end game for the RCC.

They've changed plenty of rules in recent decades alone (ignoring that mandating celibacy itself was a rule change)
Fish on Fridays
Limbo
Latin Mass
Catholics used to be forbidden from attending Protestant funerals etc.

None of them as 'big' an issue as celibacy, but there was a schism of sorts over the Latin mass.

Sex outside marriage is more likely to have more difficult outcomes to deal with, break ups, etc. I completely take many marriages break up, but in the ideal perfect world, where people get married, stay together etc then it is a good idea.

So every wedding night will have two virgins there with no clue what to do, or what their sexual tastes are, or whether their desires are compatible? Hardly a recipe for successful marriage in the eyes of the vast majority of people which is why most couples who get married already live together.

I think they need to return to life of servitude to the people, of poverty, of love, compassion and human decency, as Jesus allegedly displayed and mother theresa for example did display.

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