What is wrong with this country and wildlife?

ManMade · 21-03-2013 10:00PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

The difference is that Kites are a protected species under Irish and EU law that is just recovering from extinction. The other species you mention are not protected.

I agree with you but I was responding to a point saying people can't kill any animal we want. I don't even know what kites are! Is it a crow?

qwerty93 · 21-03-2013 10:05PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

These people are killing endangered species. 100 years ago these species were made extinct in Ireland because they were poisoned by landowners and now 100 years later the exact same inbred line is at it again!

The only pleasure I get from this is that the landowners used carbofuran.
Even handling this chemical can lead to parkinsons and motor nueron disease in later life. It can also affect the sperm and DNA of the person handling it and this way it can cause infertility or be responsible for defects in thier children.

I would doubt these vermin would be intelligent enough to be aware of this though.

Mabye Im taking this out of context but is it not a bit harsh to take pleasure from a baby possibly having birth defects?

starlings · 21-03-2013 10:05PM

Johro wrote: »

I'd want an apology for the 'moron' bit first tbh.

Bipolar Joe · 21-03-2013 10:07PM

starlings wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be directed at me for whatever reason.

Johro · 21-03-2013 10:07PM

ManMade wrote: »

I agree with you but I was responding to a point saying people can't kill any animal we want. I don't even know what kites are! Is it a crow?

A Kite is a bird of prey, from the raptor family I think.

Gongoozler · 21-03-2013 10:08PM

ManMade wrote: »

I agree with you but I was responding to a point saying people can't kill any animal we want. I don't even know what kites are! Is it a crow?

In the time it took to write out those last two sentences, you'd have googled 'what is a kite?'.

Super-Rush · 21-03-2013 10:08PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

A lot of people here don't seem to appreciate nature and wildlife. If it can't be eaten it's thought of as worthless.

There's some lovely swans in the river Barrow in Carlow, but the abuse they get is terrible. Kids hang around in the park all day throwing cans and stones at them. Then there's people leaving discarded fishing lines in the river for the swans to get caught in. There's no one to report any of this to, so if you see a swan with a fishing line caught in his throat or wrapped around his neck there's not much you can do about it.

This is simply not true.

I've told you before that there are two active angling clubs in town who can be contacted anytime, a Waterways Ireland guy who patrols the river all day every day and could be with you in 15 minutes if you called him, an environmental protection officer employed by the county council who would be with you within 15 minutes of calling him.

Like i said, I've told you all this before but like the majority of this country you'd rather sit in front of your PC and complain about there being nobody to call in case like this.

Johro · 21-03-2013 10:09PM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be directed at me for whatever reason.

Well, I just thought 'don't be a moron' was a bit strong, considering it wasn't a derogatory post or anything.

starlings · 21-03-2013 10:15PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

In the time it took to write out those last two sentences, you'd have googled 'what is a kite?'.

or youtube it - I found this, which also demonstrates that they're no threat to livestock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYOx-iCMZhk

dirtyden · 21-03-2013 10:19PM

The poison I assume was laid for foxes or wild dogs? I am assuming that the death of the kites was not the intention of the poison?

I think its illegal nowadays to use poison, so whoever did this should be prosecuted but I dont think we should be condemning them for wiping out the bird of prey populations being reintroduced to Ireland.

I think wishing slow deaths or shovels to backs of the head on farmers for what amounts to stupidity more so than malice is a bit harsh. They are protecting their income in the same way they have always done. Many need to be educated and a few possibly prosecuted but no more than that.

Alun · 21-03-2013 10:24PM

The particular two poisons that were found in the body have been illegal since 2008! AFAIK meat laced with any currently legally available poisons used for the purposes of poisoning foxes etc. now have to be placed under a cover so that birds of prey can't see them from above.

Birdnuts · 21-03-2013 10:26PM

dirtyden wrote: »

The poison I assume was laid for foxes or wild dogs? I am assuming that the death of the kites was not the intention of the poison?

I think its illegal nowadays to use poison, so whoever did this should be prosecuted but I dont think we should be condemning them for wiping out the bird of prey populations being reintroduced to Ireland.

I think wishing slow deaths or shovels to backs of the head on farmers for what amounts to stupidity more so than malice is a bit harsh. They are protecting their income in the same way they have always done. Many need to be educated and a few possibly prosecuted but no more than that.

Poisoning is indeed illegal in all cases apart from the use of indoor rodenticides for the control of rodents.

Crows, foxes etc. can be legally controlled using guns and traps which is what most farmers do. The few that are still breaking the law are a menace to our natural heritage, pets and the reputation of farming in this country which depends on its supposed green image for exports etc.

kiffer · 21-03-2013 10:33PM

dirtyden wrote: »

The poison I assume was laid for foxes or wild dogs? I am assuming that the death of the kites was not the intention of the poison?

I think its illegal nowadays to use poison, so whoever did this should be prosecuted but I dont think we should be condemning them for wiping out the bird of prey populations being reintroduced to Ireland.

I think wishing slow deaths or shovels to backs of the head on farmers for what amounts to stupidity more so than malice is a bit harsh. They are protecting their income in the same way they have always done. Many need to be educated and a few possibly prosecuted but no more than that.

Yes, we shouldn't wish them dead but they should have the book thrown at them and hard...
Hard.
In fact I think we should say "you are either too stupid or too ignorant or too mean to have animals" and then take half their sheep.
Find poison on their land... take half their sheep.

Feck em.

Johro · 21-03-2013 10:35PM

Didn't see the link to the actual article in OP. This one is from Waterford News http://www.waterford-news.ie/2013/03/20/young-red-kite-dies-from-poisoning/

Birdnuts · 21-03-2013 10:37PM

Alun wrote: »

The particular two poisons that were found in the body have been illegal since 2008! AFAIK meat laced with any currently legally available poisons used for the purposes of poisoning foxes etc. now have to be placed under a cover so that birds of prey can't see them from above.

There is now no poisons licenced for use against foxes so it is illegal to poison them under any circumstance or to use any type of poison meat bait since 2010. This is outlined in the link below - scroll down a bit for the reference to foxes.

http://www.npws.ie/legislationandconventions/irishlaw/baituserestrictions/

Alun · 21-03-2013 10:42PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

There is now no poisons licenced for use against foxes so it is illegal to poison them under any circumstance or to use any type of poison meat bait since 2010. This is outlined in the link below - scroll down a bit for the reference to foxes.

http://www.npws.ie/legislationandconventions/irishlaw/baituserestrictions/

Ah, I thought there still was, apologies.

Johro · 21-03-2013 10:44PM

Alun wrote: »

Ah, I thought there still was, apologies.

Same here. Ya learn something every day.

charlemont · 21-03-2013 10:50PM

Those poor misfortunate birds were involved in smuggling drugs, One of them sang like a Canary and their Garda handlers had to poison them all to prevent them crowing.

Johro · 21-03-2013 10:58PM

What a load of cock. ^ ^ ^

Irish Guitarist · 21-03-2013 11:09PM

homeless student wrote: »

never heard of the Ispca?

Yes. They don't have a branch in Carlow any more. They don't let anyone know this though and still have the Carlow phone number on their website. It's only after you spend ages trying to get through that you realise the Carlow ISPCA is no longer operational.

On more than one occasion I've spent hours looking for a phone number for someone to help a swan in distress. I once phoned the main ISPCA office and their response was something like "we'll try to send someone out".

Another time I saw a swan struggle out of the river and collapse on the ground. I tried again searching all evening for someone to help but to no avail. I'm sure he died that night, although I didn't return to find out and have kept away from the river ever since.

Irish Guitarist · 21-03-2013 11:10PM

Super-Rush wrote: »

This is simply not true.

I've told you before that there are two active angling clubs in town who can be contacted anytime, a Waterways Ireland guy who patrols the river all day every day and could be with you in 15 minutes if you called him, an environmental protection officer employed by the county council who would be with you within 15 minutes of calling him.

Like i said, I've told you all this before but like the majority of this country you'd rather sit in front of your PC and complain about there being nobody to call in case like this.

I tried that Waterways number on more than one occasion and got no reply.

catallus · 21-03-2013 11:17PM

The problem seems to be a very very small hardcore group of farmers who wouldn't tend to dwell too deeply on the rights-or-wrongs of laying out the poison. Unfortunately it only takes a small number of people to have a catastrophic effect on the valiant attempts of conservationists to re-introduce a valid population of wild birds.

Given the fact that proving and prosecuting these people is next to impossible, the only solution I can see is blanket-punishment of all landowners in a particular area where dead birds or poison is found. This has already been suggested on this thread, and it would be a great disincentive for even the most backward looking landowner by simple virtue of peer-pressure. Sanctions such as the removal of livestock or the stopping of grants would see a very quick turnaround in this aberrant behaviour.

If such a solution is not feasible for whatever reason then I really can't see any way this embarrassing state of affairs can be fixed.

What is wrong with this country and wildlife?

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