What is wrong with this country and wildlife?

steddyeddy

Another bird of prey poisoned in Wicklow. Seals, sea eagles, kites and badgers all killed indiscriminately in this country. When the sea eagles arrived here first, one hundred Kerry farmers protested their arrival and then by culprits unknown but not that unknown they were poisoned. I'm sort of used to it at this stage but do you think that there's some sort of hatred of wildlife in this country?

TWO generations of newly released red kite birds of prey have been illegally
poisoned.
A dead juvenile bird found in Wicklow town was the offspring of an adult
female poisoned 13 months earlier near Brittas Bay.
The young bird was the first of 21 chicks born in the Irish wild to be
killed.

The Golden Eagle Trust described the poisoning of two generations of the same
red kite family as “ devastating.”.
Tests have confirmed that the juvenile had been poisoned with two toxic
pesticides carbofuran and alphachloralose.
This is the first time both chemicals have been detected in the carcass of a
red kite in Ireland.
The bird's mother had been poisoned with alphachloralose in December
2011.

The birds were identified by their tags.
Authorities suspect both birds had been feeding on carrion laced with the
chemicals, which have been banned.
It is illegal to use these chemicals to poison birds, foxes or other
wildlife. However, experts believe that some landowners continue to use these
poisons.

Dr Marc Ruddock of the Golden Eagle Trust said he was devastated by the
latest death and confirmation of the poisons involved.
He said the young bird had been found on a public path just outside Wicklow
town.

A total of 120 red kites have been released into the wild in Wicklow, he
said.

mattjack

Are you trying to tell me about a hundred farmers in Kerry was poisoned ?

steddyeddy

mattjack wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me about a hundred farmers in Kerry was poisoned ?

No just that they protested the arrival of the sea eagles from Norway.

Chuck Stone

Despicable, dim-witted, fucking morons.

arybvtcw0eolkf

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm sort of used to it at this stage but do you think that there's some sort of hatred of wildlife in this country?

No, just a shower of backward fcuking idiots who deserve nothing better than a shovel to the back of the head.

OneArt

I had no idea kites were an animal.

mattjack

steddyeddy wrote: »

No just that they protested the arrival of the sea eagles from Norway.

First Vikings , now Sea Eagles .... them feckin' Norwegians.

3ndahalfof6

Basil brush has been on a mission for some time now.

steddyeddy

Ryan Mysterious Yacht wrote: »

No, just a shower of backward fcuking idiots who deserve nothing better than a shovel to the back of the head.

Could I borrow a shovel?

Augmerson

It's very sad to see this happen.

Clandestine

Ryan Mysterious Yacht wrote: »

No, just a shower of backward fcuking idiots who deserve nothing better than a shovel to the back of the head.

So people who kill animals deserve death themselves?

steddyeddy

Ps I dont personally think that this country hates wildlife. Just some backward simpletons who have no respect for the wildlife of this country or the wishes of the majority of decent people in this country.

Chucken

I just spotted a thread where the big brave hunters are looking for fox cubs. To kill I presume. :mad:

steddyeddy

Mayoman911 wrote: »

So people who kill animals deserve death themselves?

These people are killing endangered species. 100 years ago these species were made extinct in Ireland because they were poisoned by landowners and now 100 years later the exact same inbred line is at it again!


The only pleasure I get from this is that the landowners used carbofuran.
Even handling this chemical can lead to parkinsons and motor nueron disease in later life. It can also affect the sperm and DNA of the person handling it and this way it can cause infertility or be responsible for defects in thier children.

I would doubt these vermin would be intelligent enough to be aware of this though.

Irish Guitarist

A lot of people here don't seem to appreciate nature and wildlife. If it can't be eaten it's thought of as worthless.

There's some lovely swans in the river Barrow in Carlow, but the abuse they get is terrible. Kids hang around in the park all day throwing cans and stones at them. Then there's people leaving discarded fishing lines in the river for the swans to get caught in. There's no one to report any of this to, so if you see a swan with a fishing line caught in his throat or wrapped around his neck there's not much you can do about it.

3ndahalfof6

Mayoman911 wrote: »

So people who kill animals deserve death themselves?

It will come to both parties in time;)

Clandestine

steddyeddy wrote: »

These people are killing endangered species. 100 years ago these species were made extinct in Ireland because they were poisoned by landowners and now 100 years later the exact same inbred line is at it again!

People are more important than any animal.

I do think it is a shame such animals are being killed, but saying people deserve extreme punishment for something such as this seems callous and morbid.

homeless student

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

A lot of people here don't seem to appreciate nature and wildlife. If it can't be eaten it's thought of as worthless.

There's some lovely swans in the river Barrow in Carlow, but the abuse they get is terrible. Kids hang around in the park all day throwing cans and stones at them. Then there's people leaving discarded fishing lines in the river for the swans to get caught in. There's no one to report any of this to, so if you see a swan with a fishing line caught in his throat or wrapped around his neck there's not much you can do about it.

never heard of the Ispca?

steddyeddy

Mayoman911 wrote: »

People are more important than any animal.

I do think it is a shame such animals are being killed, but saying people deserve extreme punishment for something such as this seems callous and morbid.

Feck them. These people dont share my humanity so to be honest I coulnd't give a toss about them. The best I could wish them is a slow death!

kneemos

Safety of lambs presumably is the farmers concern,don 't know if kites are big enough to kill a lamb though.

Icyseanfitz

must have been those fecking kerry farmers who killed off the snakes and not ol Patrick :pac:

seriously though, fcuking idiots

Clandestine

steddyeddy wrote: »

Feck them. These people dont share my humanity so to be honest I coulnd't give a toss about them. The best I could wish them is a slow death!

wow

steddyeddy

kneemos wrote: »

Safety of lambs presumably is the farmers concern,don 't know if kites are big enough to kill a lamb though.

Kites aren't big enough to carry off lambs but some believe they can.

o1s1n

Mayoman911 wrote: »

People are more important than any animal.

I do think it is a shame such animals are being killed, but saying people deserve extreme punishment for something such as this seems callous and morbid.

I'd gladly see some poachers shot to save endangered species. Not like the world is short of cnuts.

3ndahalfof6

Mayoman911 wrote: »

People are more important than any animal.

I do think it is a shame such animals are being killed, but saying people deserve extreme punishment for something such as this seems callous and morbid.

Humans are the top of the chain, the lesser mortals will survive, no infighting, people, some people do not deserve the title human.

Ruudi_Mentari

Something higher and mightier than themselves has got to go. Thought they had the run of the land...

I get the impression an eagle, to some is like a drone

steddyeddy

homeless student wrote: »

never heard of the Ispca?

There are people who know who is doing this. There have been posters in the hunting forum saying that they have met people who bragged about it. When reports were made to the gaurds they said there was not enough evidence to make an arrest.

I would be in favour of the Scottish way of preventing bird of prey poisonings which is to make landowners responsible for whatever bird dies on their land. This has worked.

Another way is to get rid of grant payments to landowners in the area. Soon enough they would turn on whoever is doing this.

steddyeddy

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

Something higher and mightier than themselves has got to go. Thought they had the run of the land...

I get the impression an eagle, to some is like a drone

That's the thing. These "people" think they can break whatever law they want as long as it suits them. The golden eagle trust talked about one landowner who threw poison in a garden in order to kill a dog. A garden which also contained children.

Clandestine

o1s1n wrote: »

I'd gladly see some poachers shot to save endangered species. Not like the world is short of cnuts.

You know why people are going out to hunt animals that could easily end up killing them? Because they're poor as hell and this is at least work that will feed them and their families. Not every poacher is a murdering maniac who deserves an agonizing end.

Icyseanfitz

i wish all these birds would start hunting idiotic farmers, would be justice of a sort

steddyeddy

Mayoman911 wrote: »

wow

Yea sorry I made a mistake, that's not the best I can wish them. I wish them the neurotoxic and related neuropathy that comes with handling this poison.

Icyseanfitz

strap some weights around the sheep ffs, solve all yer problems

steddyeddy

Mayoman911 wrote: »

You know why people are going out to hunt animals that could easily end up killing them? Because they're poor as hell and this is at least work that will feed them and their families. Not every poacher is a murdering maniac who deserves an agonizing end.

In Ireland that may be true but in Africa poachers have helicoptors and are not short of funds.

o1s1n

Mayoman911 wrote: »

You know why people are going out to hunt animals that could easily end up killing them? Because they're poor as hell and this is at least work that will feed them and their families. Not every poacher is a murdering maniac who deserves an agonizing end.

I can see it now, little johnny off picking potatoes to feed his starving family. Out of the blue, a red kite swoops, lifting him off to his untimely demise.

We must stop these predators before they wipe out mankind.

Clandestine

o1s1n wrote: »

I can see it now, little johnny off picking potatoes to feed his starving family. Out of the blue, a red kite swoops, lifting him off to his untimely demise.

We must stop these predators before they wipe out mankind.

I'm referring to poachers as people who hunt rhino's+elephants.

The people the OP was referring to are hardly poachers.

Crann na Beatha

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o1s1n

Mayoman911 wrote: »

I'm referring to poachers as people who hunt rhino's+elephants.

The people the OP was referring to are hardly poachers.

Ah right, sorry for the confusion. I wholeheartedly agree with poaching rhino and elephant. Grand pianos would look very strange with just black keys.

steddyeddy

Mayoman911 wrote: »

I'm referring to poachers as people who hunt rhino's+elephants.

The people the OP was referring to are hardly poachers.

People who hunt elephants and rhinos are not poor in any shape or form. They use helicopters and other methods to evade anti poaching patrols and other rangers. They make considerable sums of money from ivory.

Icyseanfitz

o1s1n wrote: »

I can see it now, little johnny off picking potatoes to feed his starving family. Out of the blue, a red kite swoops, lifting him off to his untimely demise.

We must stop these predators before they wipe out mankind.

how high do these birds fly? considering their quite big id presume when they go number 2 its of equally big size!!!

now take all that into account with high altitude and cold irish weather and you have birds dropping potentially deadly biological bombs onto the poor hand to mouth irish man :eek:

disgrace joe kill em all

steddyeddy

Phoenix wrote: »

Can a Golden Eagle take a lamb?same with a kite?

Well a kite can't but there's a chance a sea eagle could although they mainly eat fish. Whether they can or not is irrelevant anyway. People cant kill any animal they think is a problem.

Clandestine

steddyeddy wrote: »

People who hunt elephants and rhinos are not poor in any shape or form. They use helicopters and other methods to evade anti poaching patrols and other rangers. They make considerable sums of money form ivory.

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

Icyseanfitz

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

so going after a bengal tiger is a way to survive :pac:

steddyeddy

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

As are people who rob houses and mug people. Should they be exempt from punishment?

Clandestine

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

so going after a bengal tiger is a way to survive :pac:

Money has to come from somewhere.

Desperate times, desperate measures

Clandestine

steddyeddy wrote: »

As are people who rob houses and mug people. Should they be exempt from punishment?

I'm sure leniency would be present if said people had no other way of making money and had to commit those crimes in order to provide for their families.

o1s1n

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

I seriously doubt there are masses of people living in India, feeding themselves by poaching Bengal tigers.

Anyone who poaches big game like that is doing so for other reasons.

If someone is poaching to survive then they are hunting non endangered species. You know, because they're more common?

/Starving man, stalks the wilderness with a rifle, looking for anything, anything to shoot and feed his family with
/He sees movement, is about to take a shot - but stops.
'bah! That's just a common as muck antelope! where are all the rhino?! - my children only feast on rhino feet and elephant trunk!'

Icyseanfitz

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Money has to come from somewhere.

Desperate times, desperate measures

no they are criminal scum pure and simple, you cant kill one of the most endangered beautiful creatures on the planet because you cant make ends meet

Clandestine

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

no they are criminal scum pure and simple, you cant kill one of the most endangered beautiful creatures on the planet because you cant make ends meet

What is with the black and white thinking present here?

If you were starving and needed food, would you really give a **** that you needed to kill an endangered animal to sell/eat in order to provide for yourself? I don't think so.

Icyseanfitz

o1s1n wrote: »

I seriously doubt there are masses of people living in India, feeding themselves by poaching Bengal tigers.

Anyone who poaches big game like that is doing so for other reasons.

If someone is poaching to survive then they are hunting non endangered species. You know, because they're more common?

/Starving man, stalks the wilderness with a rifle, looking for anything, anything to shoot and feed his family with
/He sees movement, is about to take a shot - but stops.
'bah! That's just a common as muck antelope! where are all the rhino?! - my children only feast on rhino feet and elephant trunk!'

its not like there is going be a massive market for these creatures fur/meat anyway, it would take an average man an age to try and sell off bengal fur etc. without being thrown into a cell, a lot more sense to hunt deer and other abundant game.

but then some people are just stupid, imagine a poorly equipped badly malnourished person trying to hunt a tiger in a jungle haha darwin at work i say

Birdnuts

Phoenix wrote: »

Can a Golden Eagle take a lamb?same with a kite?

A kite weighs barely 2 pounds so is totally incapable. Studies from Scotland and Norway were eagles are much more common show that it is an extremly rare event. Less than 1 in 50 deaths in lambs would be caused by an eagle. The vast majority of deaths being due to disease,weather, foxs etc.

Indeed eagles help sheep farmers by feeding on crows and fox cubs as has proven to be the case in Donegal, using data from nest cams.

o1s1n

Mayoman911 wrote: »

What is with the black and white thinking present here?

If you were starving and needed food, would you really give a **** that you needed to kill an endangered animal to sell/eat in order to provide for yourself? I don't think so.

When will there ever be a scenario where someone has to eat an endangered animal over a non endangered animal to survive?

It's got nothing to do with that and everything to do with the black market.