What is wrong with this country and wildlife?

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:21PM

strap some weights around the sheep ffs, solve all yer problems

steddyeddy · 21-03-2013 09:22PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

You know why people are going out to hunt animals that could easily end up killing them? Because they're poor as hell and this is at least work that will feed them and their families. Not every poacher is a murdering maniac who deserves an agonizing end.

In Ireland that may be true but in Africa poachers have helicoptors and are not short of funds.

o1s1n · 21-03-2013 09:22PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

You know why people are going out to hunt animals that could easily end up killing them? Because they're poor as hell and this is at least work that will feed them and their families. Not every poacher is a murdering maniac who deserves an agonizing end.

I can see it now, little johnny off picking potatoes to feed his starving family. Out of the blue, a red kite swoops, lifting him off to his untimely demise.

We must stop these predators before they wipe out mankind.

Clandestine · 21-03-2013 09:23PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I can see it now, little johnny off picking potatoes to feed his starving family. Out of the blue, a red kite swoops, lifting him off to his untimely demise.

We must stop these predators before they wipe out mankind.

I'm referring to poachers as people who hunt rhino's+elephants.

The people the OP was referring to are hardly poachers.

Crann na Beatha · 21-03-2013 09:24PM

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o1s1n · 21-03-2013 09:25PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

I'm referring to poachers as people who hunt rhino's+elephants.

The people the OP was referring to are hardly poachers.

Ah right, sorry for the confusion. I wholeheartedly agree with poaching rhino and elephant. Grand pianos would look very strange with just black keys.

steddyeddy · 21-03-2013 09:25PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

I'm referring to poachers as people who hunt rhino's+elephants.

The people the OP was referring to are hardly poachers.

People who hunt elephants and rhinos are not poor in any shape or form. They use helicopters and other methods to evade anti poaching patrols and other rangers. They make considerable sums of money from ivory.

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:25PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I can see it now, little johnny off picking potatoes to feed his starving family. Out of the blue, a red kite swoops, lifting him off to his untimely demise.

We must stop these predators before they wipe out mankind.

how high do these birds fly? considering their quite big id presume when they go number 2 its of equally big size!!!

now take all that into account with high altitude and cold irish weather and you have birds dropping potentially deadly biological bombs onto the poor hand to mouth irish man :eek:

disgrace joe kill em all

steddyeddy · 21-03-2013 09:27PM

Phoenix wrote: »

Can a Golden Eagle take a lamb?same with a kite?

Well a kite can't but there's a chance a sea eagle could although they mainly eat fish. Whether they can or not is irrelevant anyway. People cant kill any animal they think is a problem.

Clandestine · 21-03-2013 09:28PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

People who hunt elephants and rhinos are not poor in any shape or form. They use helicopters and other methods to evade anti poaching patrols and other rangers. They make considerable sums of money form ivory.

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:29PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

so going after a bengal tiger is a way to survive :pac:

steddyeddy · 21-03-2013 09:30PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

As are people who rob houses and mug people. Should they be exempt from punishment?

Clandestine · 21-03-2013 09:30PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

so going after a bengal tiger is a way to survive :pac:

Money has to come from somewhere.

Desperate times, desperate measures

Clandestine · 21-03-2013 09:32PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

As are people who rob houses and mug people. Should they be exempt from punishment?

I'm sure leniency would be present if said people had no other way of making money and had to commit those crimes in order to provide for their families.

o1s1n · 21-03-2013 09:33PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Maybe so, but poachers do exist outside of Africa (e.g India) where they do not have access to such resources and some are just doing what they can to survive.

I seriously doubt there are masses of people living in India, feeding themselves by poaching Bengal tigers.

Anyone who poaches big game like that is doing so for other reasons.

If someone is poaching to survive then they are hunting non endangered species. You know, because they're more common?

/Starving man, stalks the wilderness with a rifle, looking for anything, anything to shoot and feed his family with
/He sees movement, is about to take a shot - but stops.
'bah! That's just a common as muck antelope! where are all the rhino?! - my children only feast on rhino feet and elephant trunk!'

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:34PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

Money has to come from somewhere.

Desperate times, desperate measures

no they are criminal scum pure and simple, you cant kill one of the most endangered beautiful creatures on the planet because you cant make ends meet

Clandestine · 21-03-2013 09:35PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

no they are criminal scum pure and simple, you cant kill one of the most endangered beautiful creatures on the planet because you cant make ends meet

What is with the black and white thinking present here?

If you were starving and needed food, would you really give a **** that you needed to kill an endangered animal to sell/eat in order to provide for yourself? I don't think so.

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:38PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I seriously doubt there are masses of people living in India, feeding themselves by poaching Bengal tigers.

Anyone who poaches big game like that is doing so for other reasons.

If someone is poaching to survive then they are hunting non endangered species. You know, because they're more common?

/Starving man, stalks the wilderness with a rifle, looking for anything, anything to shoot and feed his family with
/He sees movement, is about to take a shot - but stops.
'bah! That's just a common as muck antelope! where are all the rhino?! - my children only feast on rhino feet and elephant trunk!'

its not like there is going be a massive market for these creatures fur/meat anyway, it would take an average man an age to try and sell off bengal fur etc. without being thrown into a cell, a lot more sense to hunt deer and other abundant game.

but then some people are just stupid, imagine a poorly equipped badly malnourished person trying to hunt a tiger in a jungle haha darwin at work i say

Birdnuts · 21-03-2013 09:39PM

Phoenix wrote: »

Can a Golden Eagle take a lamb?same with a kite?

A kite weighs barely 2 pounds so is totally incapable. Studies from Scotland and Norway were eagles are much more common show that it is an extremly rare event. Less than 1 in 50 deaths in lambs would be caused by an eagle. The vast majority of deaths being due to disease,weather, foxs etc.

Indeed eagles help sheep farmers by feeding on crows and fox cubs as has proven to be the case in Donegal, using data from nest cams.

o1s1n · 21-03-2013 09:40PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

What is with the black and white thinking present here?

If you were starving and needed food, would you really give a **** that you needed to kill an endangered animal to sell/eat in order to provide for yourself? I don't think so.

When will there ever be a scenario where someone has to eat an endangered animal over a non endangered animal to survive?

It's got nothing to do with that and everything to do with the black market.

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:40PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

What is with the black and white thinking present here?

If you were starving and needed food, would you really give a **** that you needed to kill an endangered animal to sell/eat in order to provide for yourself? I don't think so.

if i was starving in an area with a tiger in it id be smart enough to realize that there is prey game close to said tiger and so go after that, makes more sense than getting killed over killing something that wont be nice to eat and will be an absolute pain in the arse to sell

starlings · 21-03-2013 09:43PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

What is with the black and white thinking present here?

If you were starving and needed food, would you really give a **** that you needed to kill an endangered animal to sell/eat in order to provide for yourself? I don't think so.

I don't condone the hang-'em-high attitude to whoever killed the kites either, Mayoman911, but I do understand it. These birds are beautiful and a living symbol of what we can do to preserve our environment. It was mortifying a while back to hear the Norwegian conservation experts say they'd think twice about helping Ireland breed and reintroduce birds of prey after the last spate of poisonings.

And I seriously doubt that the kites were killed to protect the farmers' livelihood, let alone provide food for their families.

It's not just ignorance; it's unwillingness to accept that these birds don't pose a threat to lambs. Even if the sea eagles might take one - as someone pointed out, dogs have been used for centuries to guard flocks from predators, and there's plenty of dogs from the same breeds in shelters up and down the country. Could be a case of saving two birds with one stone. :P

Johro · 21-03-2013 09:44PM

What is wrong with this country and morons throwing their bags of rubbish in the side of the road? It's f#ckin everywhere you go. It's shameful, anti-social, ignorant, filthy and c#ntish behaviour.
Apart from turning the countryside into a dump, it blocks drains and so causes flooding, it attracts vermin and spreads disease, is a danger to wildlife, not to mention cattle and and other domestic animals and pets, and poisons waterways. To make things worse, you see lots of bags and boxes full of glass bottles, plastic bottles, and aluminium drink cans, and other stuff that could easily be recycled. It really lends an air of hopelessness to our surroundings and I would just love to catch one of the f#ckers at it.
I read a piece in the paper a while back about a community warden who dumped an old fridge in a notorious fly-tipping spot, only it had a camera hidden in it, and he caught a fair few people. We need more of this, but also proper fines. Businesses have been caught doing it, and got off with 100 to 1000 euro fines, when dumping in isolated rural areas have saved them ten times that at least in dumping fees. Proper fines and/or prison, depending on severity.
It really is a disgrace.

ManMade · 21-03-2013 09:50PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well a kite can't but there's a chance a sea eagle could although they mainly eat fish. Whether they can or not is irrelevant anyway. People cant kill any animal they think is a problem.

Yes we can. We do it all the time. Rats,mice,silverfish, stray dogs, ferrel cats,bees, deer, grey squirrel, foxes etc and any farm animal that's done its time. Also when we get hungry...

Sentencing people to a horrible death over a little bird seems a tad excessive.

Clandestine · 21-03-2013 09:50PM

starlings wrote: »

I don't condone the hang-'em-high attitude to whoever killed the kites either, Mayoman911, but I do understand it. These birds are beautiful and a living symbol of what we can do to preserve our environment.

I wasn't referring to the birds mentioned in the OP, I was talking more along the lines of poachers in places such as India who may have to kill endangered animals to provide for themselves in cases where there is no other income sources available.

I do agree with you though, animals such as these do need to be preserved.

Birdnuts · 21-03-2013 09:54PM

ManMade wrote: »

Yes we can. We do it all the time. Rats,mice,silverfish, stray dogs, ferrel cats,bees, deer, grey squirrel, foxes etc and any farm animal that's done its time. Also when we get hungry...

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The difference is that Kites are a protected species under Irish and EU law that is just recovering from extinction. The other species you mention are not protected.

Bipolar Joe · 21-03-2013 09:54PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the birds mentioned in the OP, I was talking more along the lines of poachers in places such as India who may have to kill endangered animals to provide for themselves in cases where there is no other income sources available.

I do agree with you though, animals such as these do need to be preserved.

Don't behave like a moron, you're well aware that this thread isn't about those circumstances. It's about assholes who set out to kill rare animals because of superstition and stupidity in this country.

starlings · 21-03-2013 09:56PM

Mayoman911 wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the birds mentioned in the OP, I was talking more along the lines of poachers in places such as India who may have to kill endangered animals to provide for themselves in cases where there is no other income sources available.

I do agree with you though, animals such as these do need to be preserved.

gotcha - must have read the thread backwards.

Icyseanfitz · 21-03-2013 09:56PM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Don't behave like a moron, you're well aware that this thread isn't about those circumstances. It's about assholes who set out to kill rare animals because of superstition and stupidity in this country.

get on out of it, sure a kite ran off with one of me calves the last day, nuke all the feckers i say.....:pac:

Johro · 21-03-2013 09:58PM

starlings wrote: »

gotcha - must have read the thread backwards.

I'd want an apology for the 'moron' bit first tbh.

What is wrong with this country and wildlife?

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