The Hazards of Belief

the_eman · 15-03-2013 07:56PM

Nodin wrote: »

Amazing they couldn't make a prophecy about a sex offender repeating the offence....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21765850

Well in fact there has been warnings and prophecies.

June 18th 1965, Garabandal, Spain.

Many cardinals, many bishops, and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them. Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist. You should turn the wrath of God away from yourselves by your efforts. If you ask His forgiveness with sincere hearts, He will pardon you. I, your mother, through the intercession of Saint Michael the archangel, ask you to amend your lives. You are now receiving the last warnings. I love you very much and do not want your condemnation. Pray to us with sincerity and we will grant your requests. You should make more sacrifices. Think about the passion of Jesus.

There has been other warnings and prophecies about evil entering the Church and a great falling away. What has happened has saddens us believers greatly, it takes great faith to keep on going.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-03-2013 09:04PM

seamus wrote: »

Reddit: Religious woman has preterm miscarriage - keeps it, brings it home, treats it as a live child

Obviously not atheists.

Otherwise it'd be the starter...

Sarky · 15-03-2013 10:18PM

the_eman wrote: »

There has been other warnings and prophecies about evil entering the Church and a great falling away. What has happened has saddens us believers greatly, it takes great faith to keep on going.

It looks far more like a pig-headed unwillingness to face anything within sniffing distance of a fact. But hey, I'm sure this pope is squeaky clean. I mean, apart from the homophobia and the dictatorship support and all that. That's just being a good Catholic.

PopePalpatine · 15-03-2013 10:20PM

Well, considering that Jugendschutzstaffel want a mini-dictatorship when it comes to legislating for X (and beyond), perhaps supporting a dictatorship IS being a good Catholic.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-03-2013 10:57PM

Only if it's a 'pro-family' right wing dictatorship, not an evil godless communist dictatorship :rolleyes:
The fact that both are equally shit as far as the population is concerned is no matter to them.
Incidentally isn't it interesting how in their ascent to power and early years the Nazis used religion-like ritual and iconography so assiduously?

the_eman · 16-03-2013 11:31PM

Sarky wrote: »

It looks far more like a pig-headed unwillingness to face anything within sniffing distance of a fact. But hey, I'm sure this pope is squeaky clean. I mean, apart from the homophobia and the dictatorship support and all that. That's just being a good Catholic.

The Telegraph, 16-3-13

Before he left Buenos Aires for Rome, Cardinal Bergoglio, as he was before his election on Wednesday, was wearing a pair of shoes so shabby that friends insisted on buying him a new pair.
"The day he was departing for the conclave, a couple of friends brought him a pair of shoes. He's always very humbly dressed and the shoes he was wearing were not in very good shape," a pair of South American priests told Vatican Radio.

He also had a return ticket booked from Rome to Buenos Aires.

Quote from Pope Francis, On unmarried mothers

"In our ecclesiastical region there are priests who don't baptize the children of single mothers because they weren't conceived in the sanctity of marriage. These are today's hypocrites. Those who clericalize the church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it's baptized!"

Here he is with homeless people in Buenos Aires

So far AFAICT he seems quite humble.

recedite · 16-03-2013 11:49PM

the_eman wrote: »

..........context...............

the_eman wrote: »

..........Did you not watch the 22 min video I posted?.......

:pac: :pac: :pac: afraid not......

Sarky · 17-03-2013 02:57AM

the_eman wrote: »

So far AFAICT he seems quite humble.

I'll be wheeling your responses out the day he's implicated in a scandal*. Just so you know.

*That is, of course, besides the scandals of supporting murderous dictators and hating gay people, which more or less seem to be par for the course in Christianity, and which followers seem intent on ignoring.

MrPudding · 17-03-2013 01:09PM

Sarky wrote: »

I'll be wheeling your responses out the day he's implicated in a scandal*. Just so you know.

*That is, of course, besides the scandals of supporting murderous dictators and hating gay people, which more or less seem to be par for the course in Christianity, and which followers seem intent on ignoring.

I can see the headlines... "Foot fetishist pope takes advantage of the homeless."

Some Homeless Man wrote:

It starting innocently enough, with him offering me food and shelter. Then he wanted to bathe me, what could I say, I needed food and shelter. Then he started rubbing my feet and kissing them... It was really uncomfortable.but I felt like there was nothing I could do, I felt so powerless. He violated me..

MrP

the_eman · 17-03-2013 01:17PM

Sarky wrote: »

I'll be wheeling your responses out the day he's implicated in a scandal*. Just so you know.

I've no doubt he will be embroiled in scandals, I also have no doubt there will be many lies involved perpetrated by the Media that has convinced so many there is no God and everything exists by pure chance.

Sarky wrote: »

*That is, of course, besides the scandals of supporting murderous dictators and hating gay people, which more or less seem to be par for the course in Christianity, and which followers seem intent on ignoring.

Why not mention Pope Francis's statements on human trafficking, on the poor on child abuse. I do not think he is homophobic. I do believe he feels the importance of the traditional family of a father and mother and how it has been an important part of the good things about our civilization up to now. He may see the death of the traditional family as being a turn for the worst for human civilization. A gay hater, I seriously think not, I would certainly believe he is a strong adherent of one of the commandments Christ wants us to focus on the most "Love your neighbor as yourself". He teaches that homosexuals should be treated with respect.

I assume Pope Francis feels that every child deserves to have a mother’s love, and every child needs to have the love of a father. That’s the natural way that God set it up. To change the very nature of marriage is to tell God that He is wrong in the way He set it up, from the very beginning. So because he is of this opinion does that make him a Gay hater? Has he been involved in name calling or other hate activities? I doubt it.

I originally posted in this forum about Prophecy being fulfilled right now in our world and signs in the sky, then I got dumped out of the way into this waste basket called 'The Hazards of belief' which well is fine really. But getting rat holed down a debate on Gay Marriage I would rather not, I have utmost respect for Gay people, I have Gay friends and feel Gay people have every right to love one another as do straight people. But, regarding marriage I have similar opinions as Pope Francis.

Anyway, can we get back to earthquakes and meteors please?

The Black Oil · 17-03-2013 01:53PM

The same 'media' that gave enormous amounts of coverage to the conclave, etc?

the_eman · 17-03-2013 03:28PM

MrPudding wrote: »

I can see the headlines... "Foot fetishist pope takes advantage of the homeless."

MrP

St Francis is known for hugging the leper which calls to mind Cardinal Bergoglio’s washing and kissing the feet of dying AIDS patients at a hospice in Argentina. See insert picture back a few posts.

Francis of Assisi is renowned for his humility and simplicity which is a hallmark of Pope Francis’ spirituality. Already he has refused to get into the papal limousine choosing instead to ride in the shuttle bus with the other Cardinals. He turned down the elevated chair in which a new Pope meets the Cardinals who elected him. And he selected a simple rather than an ornate cross as his own.

recedite · 17-03-2013 04:33PM

the_eman wrote: »

I originally posted in this forum about Prophecy being fulfilled right now in our world and signs in the sky, then I got dumped out of the way into this waste basket called 'The Hazards of belief' ...........
Anyway, can we get back to earthquakes and meteors please?

We sure can. These are natural events, and they happen all the time, and always did. You would have to be either a religious fruitcake or an insurance company, to say that they are "Acts of God". Sometimes people die in these events, sometimes they don't.
BTW this thread is not a waste basket. In your case, think of it more as a diagnostic tool. Some of your beliefs may be a hazard to your own health.

Brian Shanahan · 17-03-2013 08:00PM

Sarky wrote: »

It looks far more like a pig-headed unwillingness to face anything within sniffing distance of a fact. But hey, I'm sure this pope is squeaky clean. I mean, apart from the homophobia and the dictatorship support and all that. That's just being a good Catholic.

Hey, don't be knocking poor Pope-Emeritus Nazi. The Hitler Jugend was a good Christian, god fearing, catholic organisation.

Just because their Fuhrer ordered the deaths of a few million Jews doesn't lessen the Christianity of the National Socialist message.

Come to think of it, it probably reinforced it.

Brian Shanahan · 17-03-2013 08:19PM

ninja900 wrote: »

Incidentally isn't it interesting how in their ascent to power and early years the Nazis used religion-like ritual and iconography so assiduously?

Only if you consider the period between 31 Jan. 1933 and 30 Apr. 1945 to be the early years of the Nazis. Not alone did they use religious iconography to big up themselves, they were also very interested in bigging up god himself.

Regarding the "non christian" nature of Nazism, it is fitting to remember that the most important non-christian Nazi was Alfred Rosenberg, a big-mouthed pretenious nobody.

Brian Shanahan · 17-03-2013 08:28PM

the_eman wrote: »

The Telegraph, 16-3-13

You see that's where you went wrong, you believed the Torygraph. The only paper less likely to tell you the truth is the Maily Heil.

He also had a return ticket booked from Rome to Buenos Aires.

So he's prudent enough to plan for when things go wrong, so what?

Also I expect that he's already submitted the ticket for exes.

Nodin · 19-03-2013 12:05PM

Singer-songwriter Michelle Shocked has shocked fans after launching an anti-gay rant onstage in San Francisco on Sunday night. The singer – who became a favourite of leftwing music fans with early albums such The Texas Campfire Tapes and Short Sharp Shocked, but who is now a born-again Christian – began telling the crowd her views of Proposition 8, California's legal definition of marriage being a union between a woman and a man.

"When they stop Prop 8 and force priests at gunpoint to marry gays, it will be the downfall of civilisation, and Jesus will come back,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/19/michelle-shocked-anti-gay-rant

This is the problem when they find Jesus...you're always wondering which Jesus it is that they've found. Well, this is one where the mystery is over.

Banbh · 19-03-2013 12:21PM

I too have decided to become humble.

I will be kissing the well-washed feed of selected 'poor people' in my village on Saturday, wearing only a stunning white full-length gown with matching accessories. (It is a well-observed fact that the poor and needy like having their feet washed almost as much as they like eating - though tea and cake will be provided afterwards).

I have notified the press to come and record this humble photo opportunity.

Bannasidhe · 19-03-2013 04:27PM

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/19/michelle-shocked-anti-gay-rant

This is the problem when they find Jesus...you're always wondering which Jesus it is that they've found. Well, this is one where the mystery is over.

Meh - she started off as a Mormon so crazy was there from the beginning and, imho having met her back in the day, was only courting the Sapphic set to further her career by pretending to be down with the Lesbos while secretly shagging her male manager - and The Campfire Tapes are a fake - they were recorded in a studio with ye authentic campfire sounds over dubbed.

seamus · 19-03-2013 04:33PM

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/19/michelle-shocked-anti-gay-rant

I do agree in part though. When anyone is forcing priests at gunpoint to marry anyone, something has gone seriously wrong.

Bit of a non-sequitur though. It's very much like anti-abortion activists saying that abortion legislation will cause women to be strapped down and forcibly have children removed from their wombs.

Nodin · 19-03-2013 06:02PM

seamus wrote: »

I do agree in part though. When anyone is forcing priests at gunpoint to marry anyone, something has gone seriously wrong.

Bit of a non-sequitur though. It's very much like anti-abortion activists saying that abortion legislation will cause women to be strapped down and forcibly have children removed from their wombs.

...by men with giant plungers, from the abortion industry. I have me CV prepared.

PopePalpatine · 19-03-2013 06:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/19/michelle-shocked-anti-gay-rant

This is the problem when they find Jesus...you're always wondering which Jesus it is that they've found. Well, this is one where the mystery is over.

Mark Hamill · 19-03-2013 07:54PM

Nodin wrote: »

"When they stop Prop 8 and force priests at gunpoint to marry gays, it will be the downfall of civilisation, and Jesus will come back,"

Surely they should want Prop 8 stopped if it means that Jesus would come back.

Nodin · 19-03-2013 08:27PM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Surely they should want Prop 8 stopped if it means that Jesus would come back.

Where are you goin, with yer 'logic'?

Obliq · 19-03-2013 08:31PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Meh - she started off as a Mormon so crazy was there from the beginning and, imho having met her back in the day, was only courting the Sapphic set to further her career by pretending to be down with the Lesbos while secretly shagging her male manager - and The Campfire Tapes are a fake - they were recorded in a studio with ye authentic campfire sounds over dubbed.

I bow to your great knowledge oh mighty Bann

I only had the mormon bit to put here!

Hotblack Desiato · 19-03-2013 10:17PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Meh - she started off as a Mormon so crazy was there from the beginning and, imho having met her back in the day, was only courting the Sapphic set to further her career by pretending to be down with the Lesbos while secretly shagging her male manager - and The Campfire Tapes are a fake - they were recorded in a studio with ye authentic campfire sounds over dubbed.

Aha, so can I be forgiven my 'WTF? I always thought she was a lesbian' reaction then?

Bannasidhe · 19-03-2013 10:25PM

ninja900 wrote: »

Aha, so can I be forgiven my 'WTF? I always thought she was a lesbian' reaction then?

Lot of people did - an impression she encouraged.

robindch · 20-03-2013 06:47PM

Kenya condom advert pulled after religious complaints

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21859665

BBC wrote:

A TV advertisement promoting condom use in Kenya has been withdrawn after an outcry by religious leaders, health official Peter Cherutich has said.

Christian and Muslim clerics said the advert encouraged infidelity, rather than safe sex to curb HIV/Aids. In the government-sponsored advert, a woman in an extra-marital affair is advised to use condoms. Dr Cherutich told the BBC the advert had been launched because up to 30% of married couples had other partners.

Around 1.6 million people out of Kenya's population of 41.6 million are living with HIV, according to the UN. The Kenyan Anglican Church's Bishop Julius Kalu said the advert, shown on free-to-air TV stations at peak audience times, had promoted extra-marital affairs and sex among school pupils, Kenya's Daily Nation newspaper reports. "There are better ways of passing useful information to society. This one has certainly failed," he is quoted as saying. "It openly propagates immorality, especially when all family members are gathered before television sets, waiting to watch news," Bishop Kalu said.

In a BBC Focus on Africa interview, Dr Cherutich said that while the advert had been withdrawn, he was unapologetic about its message - that it was essential for people to use condoms to prevent the spread of HIV/Aids. A survey had shown that between 20% and 30% of married couples had other sexual partners, yet a majority of them did not use condoms, said Dr Cherutich, the deputy director of Kenya's National Aids and STI Control Programme.

Kenya's Muslim religious body, the Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya (CIPK), also condemned TV stations for showing the one-minute-long advert. "The advertisement depicts this nation as Sodom and Gomorra and not one that values the institution of marriage and family," Sheikh Mohammed Khalifa, CIPK's organising secretary, told Kenya's Business Daily newspaper. The BBC's Anne Soy in the capital, Nairobi, says many conservative Kenyans supported religious leaders in opposing the advert.

Some parents said they found it embarrassing to watch the advert with their children, and switched channels when it appeared, she reports. The advert was part of a series of anti-HIV campaigns that health officials have been running in Kenya for years. Its slogan board said it had been sponsored by Kenya's health ministry, USAid and UKAid - an apparent reference to the UK government's department of international development, our correspondent says.

More than 80% of Kenyans are Christians, with Muslims forming the second biggest religious group.

Kiwi in IE · 20-03-2013 08:19PM

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/19/michelle-shocked-anti-gay-rant

This is the problem when they find Jesus...you're always wondering which Jesus it is that they've found. Well, this is one where the mystery is over.

I met several people who thought they were Jesus when I worked in acute psych. I could never work out why that particular belief indicated they were mentally ill, while lots of other people with beliefs related to Jesus that are just as silly are perfectly sane!

When Jesus does come back he had better pick a country with no psychiatric care.

Kiwi in IE · 20-03-2013 08:37PM

Maintaining Christian morality is far more important than health. Much better that those who are having unprotected sex contract HIV, rather than watch something that promotes immorality. If they are behaving in an immoral fashion god will punish them. Condoms must not interfere with God's punishment. And if they pass HIV to their children? Never mind, the 'sins of the fathers' and all! Anyway who cares about children. Only unwanted foetuses in Western countries are important. Kenyan foetuses at risk of contracting HIV are surely not of enough significance to allow the promotion of condoms!

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