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Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    That's not the GPO, that's Schuh!

    McDonald's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,598 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Bruno has secured an interview with the bouncer. 1:20 in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Since 1995, he jumped off the forty foot
    2m claim could shut Forty Foot swim group

    He also highlighted the few small advantages of his situation: queues could sometimes be skipped and pushy charity canvassers left you alone.


    :pac::pac: Those smiley faces are for what he describes as the few advantages of his situation, not for his accident, though I better clarify that before someone jumps down my throat)

    Very interesting given the context of the facebook interaction between them...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Grayson wrote: »
    Bet ya a fiver this will never end up in the courts.
    Quick call Paddy Power you might get great odds on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Since 1995, he jumped off the forty foot
    2m claim could shut Forty Foot swim group

    He also highlighted the few small advantages of his situation: queues could sometimes be skipped and pushy charity canvassers left you alone.


    :pac::pac: Those smiley faces are for what he describes as the few advantages of his situation, not for his accident, though I better clarify that before someone jumps down my throat)

    The thick plottens...

    Interesting that the 2nd link praises Belfast for being wheelchair accessible as if that were purely by design, and not WWII, bombings and security measures.


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  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aidric wrote: »
    Bruno has secured an interview with the bouncer. 1:20 in.


    I'm back to my crappy phone Aldric. Would you mind summarising the conversation for me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    I'm back to my crappy phone Aldric. Would you mind summarising the conversation for me?

    It's not real, yeah?


  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh :( I can see feck all except for text on this thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Oh :( I can see feck all except for text on this thing.

    Ah right!
    Just sacha baron Cohan taking the piss!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Duck's hoop


    starlings wrote: »
    The thick plottens...

    Interesting that the 2nd link praises Belfast for being wheelchair accessible as if that were purely by design, and not WWII, bombings and security measures.

    Is everything to be criticised?! No opinion of this guy is now valid or beyond scrutiny it seems. Everything is he does is orchestrated to a set agenda?

    Jesus wept. Btw, I don't even know if it's Olan McGowan or the other guy that mentioned Belfast, but the way the clan on here are talking it would appear that they're both in it together to make a quick buck on the back of that doorman.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins



    Is everything to be criticised?! No opinion of this guy is now valid or beyond scrutiny it seems. Everything is he does is orchestrated to a set agenda?

    Jesus wept. Btw, I don't even know if it's Olan McGowan or the other guy that mentioned Belfast, but the way the clan on here are talking it would appear that they're both in it together to make a quick buck on the back of that doorman.

    This thread should be moved to CT.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    starlings wrote: »
    The thick plottens...

    Interesting that the 2nd link praises Belfast for being wheelchair accessible as if that were purely by design, and not WWII, bombings and security measures.

    Olan bombed Belfast in WW2? Jeepers, I never knew that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,304 ✭✭✭✭JRant



    Is everything to be criticised?! No opinion of this guy is now valid or beyond scrutiny it seems. Everything is he does is orchestrated to a set agenda?

    Jesus wept. Btw, I don't even know if it's Olan McGowan or the other guy that mentioned Belfast, but the way the clan on here are talking it would appear that they're both in it together to make a quick buck on the back of that doorman.

    Well yes, especially when said person decides to use the internet to promote their own agenda. There are proper channels for an issue like this to be dealt with in a civilised manner, FB & Twitter are not it.
    Live by the sword and all that kinda stuff.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    studiorat wrote: »
    Olan bombed Belfast in WW2? Jeepers, I never knew that.

    Oh he did yeah, just so I could make a clumsy post here 70 years later about Dublin and Belfast being apples and oranges when it comes to comparative accessibility.

    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Is everything to be criticised?! No opinion of this guy is now valid or beyond scrutiny it seems. Everything is he does is orchestrated to a set agenda?

    Jesus wept. Btw, I don't even know if it's Olan McGowan or the other guy that mentioned Belfast, but the way the clan on here are talking it would appear that they're both in it together to make a quick buck on the back of that doorman.

    Well Olan successfully sued Searson's pub for having no disabled toilets so instead of contacting your lawyer you obviously contact him via Social Media. If you were going to court why show your hand early?. Me thinks he wants to settle asap before it goes to court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Well Olan successfully sued Searson's pub for having no disabled toilets so instead of contacting your lawyer you obviously contact him via Social Media. If you were going to court why show your hand early?. Me thinks he wants to settle asap before it goes to court.

    Olan is also on the board of the Irish Wheelchair Association who were sued in January for discriminating against deaf people

    Wheelchair body pays €10,000 for discrimination



    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Duck's hoop


    Not sure under what grounds he managed to sue this pub. Maybe it's a new build? As I'm sure you know, there are probably more pubs without specific wheelchair accessible jacks than there are with. And I don't hear about them getting sued, ever. Afaik it wasn't a legal requirement up to about 10 years ago, and then only when building.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Is everything to be criticised?! No opinion of this guy is now valid or beyond scrutiny it seems.

    I think you're mixing up criticised and questioned, and everything should be fair game to be questioned. Nothing (opinion, action, or anything else) should ever be considered beyond scrutiny. Otherwise we would just have to take everybodies word for everything, which would be a complete disaster because people can be dishonest, self-serving, lying, deceitful, and naughty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Not sure under what grounds he managed to sue this pub. Maybe it's a new build? As I'm sure you know, there are probably more pubs without specific wheelchair accessible jacks than there are with. And I don't hear about them getting sued, ever. Afaik it wasn't a legal requirement up to about 10 years ago, and then only when building.

    Radio Presenter Wins Disability Case Against Pub
    Press Release - 29 Jun 2006
    In a case involving a wheelchair user denied access to toilet facilities, the Equality Authority today welcomed a consent Order made by Judge O'Donnell of the District Court that Searson's Pub Baggot Street, discriminated against a customer with a disability. Searson's undertook as part of the Order to provide wheelchair accessible toilets in accordance with Part M of the Building Regulations by 1st December 2006 and to pay €500 to the claimant and a further €500 to the Irish Wheelchair Association.

    This case was taken by Mr Olan McGowan who is a wheelchair user with the support of the Equality Authority. Mr Olan McGowan is the presenter and producer of the 'Outside the Box' radio series on RTE. He attended a college reunion in Searson's public house on Baggot Street, Dublin 4 on 22nd October 2005. He was one of a group of 25 people. The group reserved an area of the pub for themselves and had ordered some food. However during the course of the evening, Mr McGowan approached one of the barmen with a friend and asked whether there was a toilet that was wheelchair accessible. The barman informed them that there was no wheelchair accessible toilet and suggested that Mr McGowan try the Waterloo Bar which was located nearby. The barman did not offer any apology or assistance to Mr McGowan. Mr McGowan was then compelled to leave the pub and visit the Waterloo Bar which kindly offered their toilet facility and then returned to Searson's Pub. The claimant subsequently sought the assistance of the Equality Authority.

    The Equality Authority sought to clarify what efforts were made by the pub to cost the facilitation of a wheelchair accessible toilet. However, despite numerous requests by the Equality Authority no such information was provided by the pub up to and including the day of the hearing.

    In welcoming the outcome of the case Niall Crowley, CEO of the Equality Authority stated "the outcome of this case is very important for people with disabilities. It clarifies that the failure of licensed premises, which includes public houses, hotels and restaurants, to provide toilets that are accessible to wheelchair users constitutes less favourable treatment, is discriminatory and breaches service provider's obligations to provide reasonable accommodation for its customers with disabilities. This has important implications for all service providers. It will contribute to greater accessibility for and participation by people with disabilities in social life".

    He added that "the case reflects an important pattern that has emerged in casework under the Intoxicating Liquor Act. It builds on an earlier case where the Russell Court Hotel, Dublin, consented to a finding of discrimination on the disability ground by the District Court and undertook to install a wheelchair accessible toilet to serve the hotel bar. As such the case must be an urgent alert to all service providers to gear up to their statutory obligations to customers with disabilities".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, June 30, 2006

    A spokesman for Searsons said last night the pub had recently come under new ownership and it was intended to provide wheelchair-accessible toilets.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Olan is also on the board of the Irish Wheelchair Association who were sued in January for discriminating against deaf people

    Wheelchair body pays €10,000 for discrimination



    :D

    A dead body in a wheelchair dats DISGRACEFULL you shud be ASHAMED yerself an we shud burn dis kip down.




    Oops, my apologies. I thought I was on Facebook there. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Duck's hoop


    orestes wrote: »
    I think you're mixing up criticised and questioned, and everything should be fair game to be questioned. Nothing (opinion, action, or anything else) should ever be considered beyond scrutiny. Otherwise we would just have to take everybodies word for everything, which would be a complete disaster because people can be dishonest, self-serving, lying, deceitful, and naughty.


    I'm as cynical a cnut as you could meet. But I posted in reply to a post which essentially criticised one of the 2 chair users for praising Belfast as being progressive in its accessibility. Pointing out that rebuilding probably allowed an element of accessibility to be factored in.

    It just seemed a little OTT.

    Fwiw I been to Belfast plenty and not really noticed it a huge lot better than other cities. But there are a lot worse for sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    I'm as cynical a cnut as you could meet. But I posted in reply to a post which essentially criticised one of the 2 chair users for praising Belfast as being progressive in its accessibility. Pointing out that rebuilding probably allowed an element of accessibility to be factored in.

    It just seemed a little OTT.

    Fwiw I been to Belfast plenty and not really noticed it a huge lot better than other cities. But there are a lot worse for sure.

    "Pointing out that rebuilding probably allowed an element of accessibility to be factored in."

    what on earth is wrong with that? I didn't criticise Olan; I said it was interesting that the article didn't point this out. Implicitly - and now explicitly - I'm saying that without this detail a comparison of Dublin and Belfast in terms of accessibility is incomplete.

    I'm looking at this as a problem-solver btw, not a cynic, and the comparison seems important when the case in point involves an old building with a complicated balance of regulations for both heritage and contemporary use.

    And it's skeptical to ask questions, but cynical to assume the worst.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭wtlltw


    starlings wrote: »
    I'm saying that without this detail a comparison of Dublin and Belfast in terms of accessibility is incomplete.

    Northern Ireland (like the UK) had the DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) introduced in 1995 and came into force in 2005 - they had a good head start in ensuring buildings were accessible. Their Building Regs Part M (Part R in NI) covered accessibility in a wider spectrum until TGD M 2010 was introduced. Saying that I still can't see a huge improvement regarding accessibility, it all depends on the building type and the space available to make suitable adaptations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Duck's hoop


    starlings wrote: »
    And it's skeptical to ask questions, but cynical to assume the worst.

    Lots of cynics on this thread then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Lots of cynics on this thread then.

    They are everywhere! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    starlings wrote: »
    They are everywhere! :o
    I just spotted 2 earlier :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,304 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I just spotted 2 earlier :D

    You need to keep an eye on them, they'd have the fillings outta your teeth given half the chance ;)

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭md23040


    It looks like Bolger is keeping stum and possibly getting lawyered up according to his earlier FB comments to his mates. He works in the music business, so is there a gripe against Mc Killen who owns the premises and just seen ka-ching ka-ching money signs from the little escapade, or is it aimed towards his more famous business partner.

    The lawsuit against Searsons by a colleague is just plain spiteful and the clique look like a bunch of embittered militant wheelchair users out to exercise their rights in this free money grabbing blame cultured society.

    Next time I'm in a pub or restaurant without bog roll to wipe my soft little bottom maybe there's money in it with a solicitor for grieve and distress etc. The possibilities are mind boggling and endless.

    Hope you go to court and the operators don’t back down. Then we'd all see and hear the video tape from outside the club to what actually happened in those 45 minutes and whether you're a lying and you're friends threw a hissy.

    Notwithstanding that the venue could probably sue you for the vitriol that has been stoked up through Facebook and your unexplainable inability to quell the situation after the apology and someone getting fired. You could possibly be held responsible for the slanderous remarks that ensued on a public forum like Facebook since anything you wrote on Facebook can be held as a public statement by law and occured on your wall, therefore you can be counter sued for slander and defamation caused to their business and its reputation.

    If this business can take on the likes of the Barclay Brothers in a multimillion London High Court case, then hopefully, should you legally pull the first move hopefully they'll quash you like a fly until the pips squeak.

    The internet is a great source of information when you google deeper. ;)

    Also should you tried to sue, suggest they use that horrible YouTube video from New York (think) that shows what can happen to a nightclub in nine minutes after fire broke out, and the repercussions of a plonker like you stuck in a confined and crowded space without proper means of escape.

    Mate they did you a favour recognising you as a danger, and whoever mentioned on this thread about when they go into pubs, cinema, restaurants etc and look for the fire escapes first has done me a favour too. Thanks for that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm



    Lots of cynics on this thread then.


    I was one of the early cynics on this thread when I saw how the photo was posed (would've been a better sympathy getter if his girlfriend hadn't photobombed it!) and the way in the last line of the post he had something along the lines of-

    "you've just stepped in the ring with one very determined person".

    That last line should have read-

    "you've just stepped in the ring with one very bitter person".


    This was all before the digging was done, and I hadn't even seen the whole thing on facebook nor did I know anything about "Graham", which is why I initially thought "Ahh here OP would you ever give the man a bit of dignity instead of plastering his face all over the internet!"

    Turned out a couple of hours later (I didn't know this because I'm not on facebook) that getting his face plastered all over the internet was exactly what "Graham" wanted.


    I know you might think there's a "boards hate campaign" going on as it would buy into Graham's "I'm a victiiiim" complex, but really, there isn't. Posters here are questioning the whole story from all angles, not just clicking a stupid "like" button "because it's the cool thing to do and well done for sticking it to the man".

    I can only speak for myself and not any perceived "hate mob" when I say that in my opinion, Graham, as a now public figure, is a publicity hungry shameless little shìtebag who has negated all his past achievements in my eyes with this latest malicious publicity stunt.

    He has not done disabled people any favors by his actions and now I and my friend risk having security staff pause for thought before they allow us entry to an establishment whereas before they wouldn't have looked twice at us. They will now fear that like Graham we too are publicity hungry little shìtes looking for our five seconds of fame on the internet and will be well within their rights to refuse us entry on health and safety grounds.


    Nice one Graham. Fùcking assclown.


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