Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 03:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's because people find the actions of the individual to be despicable and underhanded. He has used his disability to try and create a big story surrounding the discrimination he faced when in fact it's becoming clear that if anything it is he who should be issuing an apology.

Admittedly the guy comes across as a plank with all that 'wrong guy to get in the ring' nonsense but it seems to capture the attention of a lot of people on boards when it seems to be a nothing story. Man gets upset over some incident at a club because he's in a wheelchair, club apologises, man repeats his post about being upset. Everyone else gets bored with it and turns back on Home and Away. Except on boards.

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems that the whole thing was a pr stunt to negatively affect a club that was in direct competition to one that he was a regular guest of and is quite friendly with the management.

It does? Because apart from a bit of speculation from some posters on here there seems to be no evidence to support that.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

It's the Facebook hate mob, they can achieve anything when they drum up a good witch hunt. See how they got Kony..........oh wait!!

Tbf, a lot of this thread reads like a boards hate mob.

12-03-2013 04:01PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Admittedly the guy comes across as a plank with all that 'wrong guy to get in the ring' nonsense but it seems to capture the attention of a lot of people on boards when it seems to be a nothing story. Man gets upset over some incident at a club because he's in a wheelchair, club apologises, man repeats his post about being upset. Everyone else gets bored with it and turns back on Home and Away. Except on boards.

It does? Because apart from a bit of speculation from some posters on here there seems to be no evidence to support that.

It's a nothing story but the "victim" has gone out of his way to try and make it something. Personally I think that even were he to have been told no access to wheelchair users it would still be a none story. Clubs are entitled to admit who they want. It's at their discretion, hence why we have over 21 clubs, etc.

I think the reason a lot of people on boards ate interested in the story is simply to highlight the injustice. A man lost his job over the incident and its clear that he did absolutely nothing wrong. The "victim" here is a scumbag, really is no other name for him. He fabricated a story, repeatedly posted it, allowed a man to lose his job and even after getting an apology refused to even acknowledge it. That he used his disability in order to further his agenda makes it all the more despicable.

Read through any coverage of the story and for the most part it's barely literate people posting about how they hope the cub shuts down and what a hero Graham is. You'd swear that access to a club was some God given right and his posting of the incident was a stand akin to that of those who started the civil rights movement in America

As for my second paragraph that comes from a few people ho know of him. They all said he's an attention whore who would roll down the streets screaming look at me if it got him 10 seconds of attention.

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 04:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As for my second paragraph that comes from a few people ho know of him. They all said he's an attention whore who would roll down the streets screaming look at me if it got him 10 seconds of attention.

Him being an attention seeking whore does not equate to him working with another club to generate bad publicity for Madison. Considering someone named another club in relation to this speculation, I'd imagine it could cause problems for boards.

12-03-2013 04:18PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Him being an attention seeking whore does not equate to him working with another club to generate bad publicity for Madison. Considering someone named another club in relation to this speculation, I'd imagine it could cause problems for boards.

I'm not trying to say the other club initiated it but its been hinted at to me by a few people. I'm not naming the club as its only speculation

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 04:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not trying to say the other club initiated it but its been hinted at to me by a few people. I'm not naming the club as its only speculation

But what you said earlier was:

It seems that the whole thing was a pr stunt to negatively affect a club that was in direct competition to one that he was a regular guest of and is quite friendly with the management.

When it's written like that, it looks a lot less like speculation.

12-03-2013 04:32PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Admittedly the guy comes across as a plank with all that 'wrong guy to get in the ring' nonsense but it seems to capture the attention of a lot of people on boards when it seems to be a nothing story. Man gets upset over some incident at a club because he's in a wheelchair, club apologises, man repeats his post about being upset. Everyone else gets bored with it and turns back on Home and Away. Except on boards.

You have to remember though, the OP was written by a poster claiming to be a "Good Friend" of Grahams and felt it was his duty to notify boardsies of the disgraceful treatment his "friend" received. Graham also told people on his facebook page to "Share Away" the pic and subsequent comments.

I'm glad it was posted here. Otherwise, I would have just seen the same pic shared over and over on my friends pages, read just Graham's account underneath it and quite possibly I would have felt that he was treated badly. I would never bother reading comment after comment so I would have never known that the bouncer had been dismissed.

btw, the bouncer is still the only one I feel sorry for.

veep · 12-03-2013 04:37PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Graham also told people on his facebook page to "Share Away" the pic and subsequent comments.

Do you have a link to this? I haven't seen it.

12-03-2013 04:41PM

veep wrote: »

Do you have a link to this? I haven't seen it.

Graham Bolger ill be on to you tomorrow dave after i get legal advice.
Sunday at 4:31pm · Like · 9

Graham Bolger thanks for the support..please "SHARE" the post
Sunday at 4:43pm · Edited · Like · 14

These were the first 2 comments after he put up status and pic. I got the wording slightly wrong, apologies, but many people had commented by that stage and "SHARE" was directed to all of them.

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 04:44PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I'm glad it was posted here. Otherwise, I would have just seen the same pic shared over and over on my friends pages, read just Graham's account underneath it and quite possibly I would have felt that he was treated badly. I would never bother reading comment after comment so I would have never known that the bouncer had been dismissed.

btw, the bouncer is still the only one I feel sorry for.

But if the bouncer is employed by an agency has he been fired or will it just be a case of him being moved on and used in a different club?

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 04:45PM

fyfe79 wrote: »

^ Well, he's a regular in Lillies across the road and is good friends with management there apparently. Could be right!

Here is one of the comments on the Madison FB page.
"Andy Kavanagh should give Door Man Training get him in on a consultant level he is here on fb. If anyone should have a school in all ! I mean all aspects of MANAGING a door policy it's Andy . It is rocket science in the biggest way it needs education. Well done on apologizing it was right thing to do." Have a guess where Andy works.

veep · 12-03-2013 04:47PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Graham Bolger ill be on to you tomorrow dave after i get legal advice.
Sunday at 4:31pm · Like · 9

Graham Bolger thanks for the support..please "SHARE" the post
Sunday at 4:43pm · Edited · Like · 14

These were the first 2 comments after he put up status and pic. I got the wording slightly wrong, apologies, but many people had commented by that stage and "SHARE" was directed to all of them.

Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. So maybe his subsequent silence on the matter is due to whatever legal advice he is taking.

12-03-2013 04:48PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

But if the bouncer is employed by an agency has he been fired or will it just be a case of him being moved on and used in a different club?

The official apology taken from Madison Nightclub FB page.....

Madison Nightclub unreservedly apologise for the disgraceful treatment of Graham Bolger last night at the club. The person, who was with us from an outside agency for the last 4 weeks, has been dismissed with immediate effect and he will not be employed by the sub-contractor again. Our company policy is that the club is open to all. We have welcomed people of all abilities and will continue to do so. We are ashamed and embarrassed that this has happened. We have delayed posting here as we have been trying to contact Graham directly to apologise to him in advance of apologising publicly. We deeply regret what has happened and will ensure that it never happens again. We hope to speak to Graham directly as soon as possible

Dravokivich · 12-03-2013 04:53PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

But if the bouncer is employed by an agency has he been fired or will it just be a case of him being moved on and used in a different club?

The following comment is part of the apology:

The person, who was with us from an outside agency for the last 4 weeks, has been dismissed with immediate effect and he will not be employed by the sub-contractor again

So not only is the doorman not going to work at the venue in question, it brings the impression that he has also been fired by the agency.

You can see it here:

http://www.facebook.com/madisonnightclub?ref=ts&fref=ts

12-03-2013 05:01PM

veep wrote: »

Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. So maybe his subsequent silence on the matter is due to whatever legal advice he is taking.

If Graham has replied specificallyto a FB member, I have included their comment....

Olan McGowan think i can help you on this one Graham. lets talk later
Sunday at 4:49pm · Like · 5

Graham Bolger thanks Olan McGowan the very man.
Sunday at 4:52pm · Like · 2

Graham Bolger to the few people who are asking what were the grounds for refusal.. they literally told me i wasn't allowed entry cause i was in a wheelchair".. the story gets worse.. but ill save that for the papers ')
Sunday at 4:57pm · Edited · Like · 46

Taz Photos I was gutted for you Graham and im surprised the people at Madison Nightclub werent able to sort it out. I had a quick chat with you outside and i have to say your a very decent guy and i couldnt believe that they stopped you.
Sunday at 5:03pm · Like · 1

Graham Bolger thank you Taz Photos lovely to meet you and thanks for taking the picture above for me.
Sunday at 5:05pm · Like · 3

Danny Walsh In fairness the club isn't wheelchair accessible, if someone had carried you down the stairs in the event of fire or other emergency your life would have been in danger. Its also not always possible to make nightclubs wheelchair accessible because of the nature of the narrow entrances and basement locations of many Dublin city clubs.
Sunday at 5:10pm · Like · 9

Graham Bolger in response to Danny Walsh all venues, especially those with lifts have the same issues to deal with ... as in the event of a fire Lifts are not to be used.. but thanks for the comment.
Sunday at 5:24pm · Like · 1

I tired of scrolling

but he did repost the same pic and status again the next morning.

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 05:02PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Admittedly the guy comes across as a plank with all that 'wrong guy to get in the ring' nonsense but it seems to capture the attention of a lot of people on boards when it seems to be a nothing story. Man gets upset over some incident at a club because he's in a wheelchair, club apologises, man repeats his post about being upset. Everyone else gets bored with it and turns back on Home and Away. Except on boards.

It does? Because apart from a bit of speculation from some posters on here there seems to be no evidence to support that.

Tbf, a lot of this thread reads like a boards hate mob.

There is enough evidence in this thread to show this was orchestrated. Why has Graham not issued a statement?. If he is going down the legal route he only has to say I can't comment any further as it may prejudice any legal action I may take.

Also the OP who started this thread claims that Graham is a good friend of his but calls the girls in Graham's Publicity Pic "Bints", even when one of them is a model and Graham's gf. The OP has stopped posting as they know they has been rumbled so other people have stepped in to fly the flag for "Team Graham". When a person who posts on boards is a new user and only posts on the 1 thread namely this one defending Graham my radar detector goes crazy. Do you not find that any way suspicious?.

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 05:11PM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

There is enough evidence in this thread to show this was orchestrated. Why has Graham not issued a statement?. If he is going down the legal route he only has to say I can't comment any further as it may prejudice any legal action I may take.

Also the OP who started this thread claims that Graham is a good friend of his but calls the girls in Graham's Publicity Pic "Bints", even when one of them is a model and Graham's gf. The OP has stopped posting as they know they has been rumbled so other people have stepped in to fly the flag for "Team Graham"

Probably the OP did post originally at the behest of Graham but the post I was responding to said it seemed to be a PR stunt to create negative publicity for Madison to help out another club that was in competition and whose management Graham was friendly with. I haven't seen any evidence on here in relation to this. All I've seen is some idle speculation that seems to be gathering momentum until people are convinced it's fact. Maybe it's true but there is nothing being posted on here to suggest it is.

Boombastic · 12-03-2013 05:13PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

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Olan McGowan think i can help you on this one Graham. lets talk later
Sunday at 4:49pm · Like · 5

Graham Bolger thanks Olan McGowan the very man.
Sunday at 4:52pm · Like · 2

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Olan McGowan of RTE? I would have thought a solicitor would be 'the very man' if there was a claim to pursue, interesting

Another interesting thing is that they both have the same building/house marked as places lived on their facebook maps....Dun, dun, dun....

12-03-2013 05:16PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Olan McGowan of RTE? I would have thought a solicitor would be 'the very man' if there was a claim to pursue, interesting

Just clicked Olan's name. It says "Radio Producer RTE Radio 1"

And the Dave fella in the first comment I quoted is Dave Moore 98fm

podgemonster · 12-03-2013 05:24PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just clicked Olan's name. It says "Radio Producer RTE Radio 1"

And the Dave fella in the first comment I quoted is Dave Moore 98fm

Olan appears to be an Radio presenter and a wheelchair user since he was 15. He also won a disability case against Searsons Pub, Baggot Street in 2006 for not having a disabled toilets.

http://www.equality.ie/en/Press-Office/Radio-Presenter-Wins-Disability-Case-Against-Pub.html

ScumLord · 12-03-2013 05:25PM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

There is enough evidence in this thread to show this was orchestrated. Why has Graham not issued a statement?.

I don't think there is any evidence to prove anything at this stage. Just about everything said on this thread is hearsay and speculation, there's also the fact this only happened a few days ago, it's not at all surprising there isn't more statements. We're just used to the internet providing instant answers to things. In the real world things take days if your lucky, weeks would be more likely and if it's going before a court it could take months to years to sort.

We don't really know all that much and are in danger of becoming the anti mob taking a polar opposite view to the Facebook mob, ignoring the fact we simply don't know what happened that night.

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 05:25PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Olan McGowan of RTE? I would have thought a solicitor would be 'the very man' if there was a claim to pursue, interesting

Another interesting thing is that they both have the same building/house marked as places lived on their facebook maps....Dun, dun, dun....

Reminds of what happened to Roy Keane in 1999 when the wife of Andy Joyce the bass player of the Smith accused him of assulting her. The first person she rang was not the police or her lawyer but The Sun. Charges were later dropped.

kunst nugget wrote: »

Probably the OP did post originally at the behest of Graham but the post I was responding to said it seemed to be a PR stunt to create negative publicity for Madison to help out another club that was in competition and whose management Graham was friendly with. I haven't seen any evidence on here in relation to this. All I've seen is some idle speculation that seems to be gathering momentum until people are convinced it's fact. Maybe it's true but there is nothing being posted on here to suggest it is.

Well if you read all the posts on here so far and not a select few you will see a jigsaw slowly falling into place.

12-03-2013 05:26PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

But what you said earlier was:

When it's written like that, it looks a lot less like speculation.

It's how it was described to me by people who are know the "victim" and has been hinted at by a few people both here and in other places. I'm not going to name the club as I'm not sure what it was and i doubt they instigated it or even suggested it, but the whole thing certainly stinks.

If the "victim" was so friendly with the other club then why was he going to their rival, a club that he knew was not accessible to someone in his position. Myself and a few friends were at the club this happened at q few years back and the bouncer told us that because my friend has a cast on his right leg they felt he'd be better off not heading in. We took no offence and understood completely the clubs position, those stairs are steep and when you have dozens of drunk people leaving there's a good chance someone's going to fall and if someone in a cast is trying to get out there's always one tossed who'll shove and push.

ZeitgeistGlee · 12-03-2013 05:27PM

The more that comes out about this the more suspicious it looks. If it was an act of muppetry on behalf of Graham Bolger I hope he has the decency to admit it rather than continuing to hide behind his social media justice mob and apologises to the doorman he cost the job of.

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 05:29PM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

Well if you read all the posts on here so far and not a select few you will see a jigsaw slowly falling into place.

A jigsaw made from idle speculation is still going to be idle speculation when you put it altogether.

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 05:31PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think there is any evidence to prove anything at this stage. Just about everything said on this thread is hearsay and speculation, there's also the fact this only happened a few days ago, it's not at all surprising there isn't more statements. We're just used to the internet providing instant answers to things. In the real world things take days if your lucky, weeks would be more likely and if it's going before a court it could take months to years to sort.

We don't really know all that much and are in danger of becoming the anti mob taking a polar opposite view to the Facebook mob, ignoring the fact we simply don't know what happened that night.

The evidence maybe circumstantial but its enough to create doubts in his story. Also why has the OP only posted in here around half a dozen times with his last one been 1 day and 18 hours ago.

Boombastic · 12-03-2013 05:32PM

podgemonster wrote: »

Olan appears to be an Radio presenter and a wheelchair user since he was 15. He also won a disability case against Searsons Pub, Baggot Street in 2006 for not having a disabled toilets.

http://www.equality.ie/en/Press-Office/Radio-Presenter-Wins-Disability-Case-Against-Pub.html

Since 1995, he jumped off the forty foot
2m claim could shut Forty Foot swim group

He also highlighted the few small advantages of his situation: queues could sometimes be skipped and pushy charity canvassers left you alone.

:pac::pac: Those smiley faces are for what he describes as the few advantages of his situation, not for his accident, though I better clarify that before someone jumps down my throat)

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 05:33PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

A jigsaw made from idle speculation is still going to be idle speculation when you put it altogether.

Idle speculation?. I prefer to call it common sense since the OP is staying silent and a lot of clues are slowly appearing.

suicide_circus · 12-03-2013 05:39PM

you guys.......i think i've just figured out the venue for the next Boards Beers!! >_<

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 05:41PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

you guys.......i think i've just figured out the venue for the next Boards Beers!! >_<

I wheely think you are onto a winner.

12-03-2013 05:45PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Since 1995, he jumped off the forty foot
2m claim could shut Forty Foot swim group

He also highlighted the few small advantages of his situation: queues could sometimes be skipped and pushy charity canvassers left you alone.

:pac::pac: Those smiley faces are for what he describes as the few advantages of his situation, not for his accident, though I better clarify that before someone jumps down my throat)

Excellent work Columbo,

When I first heard this story I thought "aww the poor fella" and thought it was ridiculous, I have worked in the nightclub trade for the guts of 13 years and have seen a hell of a lot of crazy stuff on nights, but not someone being refused on the grounds of a disability.....

The more this guy seems to be investigated the more bull**** seems to come out...

Well spotted that the 2 lads live either in the same house/area and obviously know one another.....

Can someone say ker-ching quick enough?

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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