Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 12:47AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The fact that he's been fired and the club has apologised would indicate that they had enough evidence against him. Again based on my own experience, bouncers don't get fired in most of these cases, public outcry or not.

As there is major outcry on social media most of which is unwarranted, they took the easy way out and fired him. Also as he was not permanent staff its a lot easier to do.

orestes · 11-03-2013 12:48AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The fact that he's been fired and the club has apologised would indicate that they had enough evidence against him. Again based on my own experience, bouncers don't get fired in most of these cases, public outcry or not.

It's exactly this kind of attitude that led to the public outcry, which caused the venue to be forced into a corner and fire the doorman.

"Bouncers are bastards, I've seen it so many times, he must have acted like a pr1ck".

This guy knew exactly what kind of response his campaign would get, and a guy has lost his job without even having a chance to give his side of the story. It's a bullsh1t smear campaign that has cost a guy his job and will probably ruin a business, because one guy who just happens to be in a wheelchair is a tool.

sfwcork · 11-03-2013 12:49AM

I Luv Crysis wrote: »

Staff member talking on fm104 now

What did they say

Gorilla Rising · 11-03-2013 12:49AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The fact that he's been fired and the club has apologised would indicate that they had enough evidence against him. Again based on my own experience, bouncers don't get fired in most of these cases, public outcry or not.

All it suggests is that it was a damage limitation exercise by Madison management.

When the angry FB mob began posting such vitriol on their page, they obviously felt (despite one side of the story) the bouncer's position became untenable - for their own good.

I'm interested to know what evidence you think they could have?

There's a stairs down into the place after all. As has been stated on the thread, the club (rightly or wrongly) can't really facilitate wheelchair users for any number of health and safety reasons.

Drakares · 11-03-2013 12:49AM

Incase anyone missed it. A statement from the club Management:

"Madison Nightclub unreservedly apologise for the disgraceful treatment of Graham Bolger last night at the club. The person, who was with us from an outside agency for the last 4 weeks, has been dismissed with immediate effect and he will not be employed by the sub-contractor again. Our company policy is that the club is open to all. We have welcomed people of all abilities and will continue to do so. We are ashamed and embarrassed that this has happened. We have delayed posting here as we have been trying to contact Graham directly to apologise to him in advance of apologising publicly. We deeply regret what has happened and will ensure that it never happens again. We hope to speak to Graham directly as soon as possible."

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 12:56AM

Drakares wrote: »

Incase anyone missed it. A statement from the club Management:

"Madison Nightclub unreservedly apologise for the disgraceful treatment of Graham Bolger last night at the club. The person, who was with us from an outside agency for the last 4 weeks, has been dismissed with immediate effect and he will not be employed by the sub-contractor again. Our company policy is that the club is open to all. We have welcomed people of all abilities and will continue to do so. We are ashamed and embarrassed that this has happened. We have delayed posting here as we have been trying to contact Graham directly to apologise to him in advance of apologising publicly. We deeply regret what has happened and will ensure that it never happens again. We hope to speak to Graham directly as soon as possible."

Still sounds like Madison acted rashly and rather too quickly because of the Social Media backlash.

Gorilla Rising · 11-03-2013 12:56AM

Drakares wrote: »

Incase anyone missed it. A statement from the club Management:

"Madison Nightclub unreservedly apologise for the disgraceful treatment of Graham Bolger last night at the club. The person, who was with us from an outside agency for the last 4 weeks, has been dismissed with immediate effect and he will not be employed by the sub-contractor again. Our company policy is that the club is open to all. We have welcomed people of all abilities and will continue to do so. We are ashamed and embarrassed that this has happened. We have delayed posting here as we have been trying to contact Graham directly to apologise to him in advance of apologising publicly. We deeply regret what has happened and will ensure that it never happens again. We hope to speak to Graham directly as soon as possible."

I'd like to hear what exactly they have in place for wheelchair users then.

So they're now saying they can facilitate wheelchair users.

Right, so the only other reason he might not have been let in is because, to quote the bouncer in his FB post - he was being 'a smart-ar$ed pr1ck'.

If what this bouncer says is true, then it's become a different story.

I wonder if Madison Management contacted the other bouncers to get their side of the story...

..doubtful, as I don't think upon that happening, bouncer two (the FB one) would've posted what he did.

WoollyRedHat · 11-03-2013 12:57AM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Lol at the fact that a lot of people are probably going to lose jobs over something they had no control over?

If the bouncer refused the man simply because he was in a wheelchair (which I doubt) then yes, I agree, he should be fired. But I think its really unfair that a lot of other staff are now in the firing line cause of someone elses mistake.

I think THAT is far more shameful, personally. This is just getting ridiculous now, people are tupid.

It was in reference to his nazi comment.

P_1 · 11-03-2013 12:57AM

Interesting, seems the (former) worker on the radio said that the club has banned it's staff from commenting on the issue

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 01:01AM

P_1 wrote: »

Interesting, seems the (former) worker on the radio said that the club has banned it's staff from commenting on the issue

Probably because Madison feel they have dealt with the issue and don't want the waters muddied any further.

P_1 · 11-03-2013 01:02AM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

Probably because Madison feel they have dealt with the issue and don't want the waters muddied any further.

Yeah standard business decision. You only want the one message going out really

Hilly Bill · 11-03-2013 01:02AM

They should have just let him in and let him work out himself on how he was going to get in and out of the club in an emergency.

I feel that the chap and his mate knew exactly what was going to happen so decided to make an issue out of it.

My name is URL · 11-03-2013 01:03AM

P_1 wrote: »

Interesting, seems the (former) worker on the radio said that the club has banned it's staff from commenting on the issue

Could be for any number of reasons though.. not just malice or in order to cover something up.

It's generally better not to comment publicly on professional (& potentially legal) matters unless you know exactly what you're talking about.

orestes · 11-03-2013 01:04AM

P_1 wrote: »

Exactly. Orestes I think you might be more qualified to speak on the matter (I think you mentioned earlier on this thread that you were in a wheelchair for a while).

On a practical level, if you were in a wheelchair would you want to spend time in a bar where you needed to be carried up a set of stairs when 1) you just wanted to get in, 2) you need to use the bathroom and 3) to leave when you're done?

I know I wouldn't.

We don't know what the bouncer in question said to the chap in the wheelchair but what we have here is the online equivalent of somebody yelling 'Fire' in a crowded cinema without seeing any smoke.

I was in a wheelchair for over two years after shattering my left femur and having to have bone from my tibia transplanted into it. It sucks, but there are just some places that you just can't go and some things you can't do. Even with the obvious health and safety stuff aside, I mean c'mon, you're in a wheelchair for crying out loud, be reasonable. You can't go into certain bars or clubs, but you can't go up the Leaning Tower of Pisa or play football either. Yeah, it sucks, but it's just a simple fact that you have to accept.

I was never once discriminated against whilst in a wheelchair, everyone I ever met who had to tell me there was somewhere I couldn't go or something I couldn't do was incredibly apologetic about it and genuinely felt terrible having to tell me. Seriously, you think anyone who works in hospitality is going to tell a disabled person or a cripple to just fukk off and that they aren't welcome?

What I find waaaaay more likely is that this guy got to the door and was told he couldn't go in and threw a tantrum and decided to show the bouncer who's boss and used peoples general bitterness towards bouncers to play a pity card.

That's why I said that based on my experiences having been in a wheelchair and having worked in the bar trade, this guy is just looking to stir up a sh1t-storm.

Tar.Aldarion · 11-03-2013 01:04AM

P_1 wrote: »

Interesting, seems the (former) worker on the radio said that the club has banned it's staff from commenting on the issue

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

Going well! It sounds like the guy made a fuss over it for no reason. Who here hasn't been refused from a nightclub? A small number I'd say. And taht can be for no reason, this was probably health and safety, where do i sign up to sue?

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 01:10AM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Going well! It sounds like the guy made a fuss over it for no reason. Who here hasn't been refused from a nightclub? A small number I'd say. And taht can be for no reason, this was probably health and safety, where do i sign up to sue?

Hit the nail on the head. If you got refused entry to a club do you spend 45 minutes moaning etc to the bouncers, no you move on and take your custom elsewhere.

Gorilla Rising · 11-03-2013 01:11AM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Going well! It sounds like the guy made a fuss over it for no reason. Who here hasn't been refused from a nightclub? A small number I'd say. And taht can be for no reason, this was probably health and safety, where do i sign up to sue?

Get yourself a wheelchair, pronto!

We'll pretend to be outraged and bombard the management of the establishment's FB page with hateful posts, forget about it instantly, go back to our lives without really giving a frak, but hey, we need to feel like we're helping because deep down we're the type who are just too lazy to give our time and effort to protest something that actual means something to us in a reasonable fashion.

11-03-2013 01:14AM

Would this guy feel discriminated against because he couldn't enter a bus that wasn't wheelchair accessible? Nope, this is the same. Some places just aren't wheelchair accessible for various reasons.

Reading through the comments on that Facebook page just make me weep for how quickly people leap on to the bandwagon.

Also, nobody knows the bouncer's side, which we'll likely never know now that this backlash has started.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 01:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would this guy feel discriminated against because he couldn't enter a bus that wasn't wheelchair accessible? Nope, this is the same. Some places just aren't wheelchair accessible for various reasons.

Reading through the comments on that Facebook page just make me weep for how quickly people leap on to the bandwagon.

Also, nobody knows the bouncer's side, which we'll likely never know now that this backlash has started.

Well said. If that was me I would take my custom elsewhere and talk to management on Monday and as last resort talk to Joe Duffy not Facebook or Twitter. The amount of assholes commenting on Facebook is unreal and their comments are a disgrace.

Gummy Panda · 11-03-2013 01:18AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Looking at some of the Facebook comments, it becomes clear that many people these days do not even use the cover of anonymity to protect their aggressive, posturing Internet ways. Really does make for mind-numbing reading. If the justice system or indeed society as a whole followed the same mob mentality... well, history shows us many examples of just such a thing, albeit in response to things on a grander scale than a mildly regrettable incident outside a nightclub.

Yeah I was thinking the same. Mindless idiots especially that lad who said they should go to the bouncers house. Lol the lad looks like he couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.

Insane stuff.

hatrickpatrick · 11-03-2013 01:18AM

orestes wrote: »

What I find waaaaay more likely is that this guy got to the door and was told he couldn't go in and threw a tantrum and decided to show the bouncer who's boss and used peoples general bitterness towards bouncers to play a pity card.

Why is there a "general bitterness towards bouncers"? You think that just apppeared overnight for no reason?

Ruudi_Mentari · 11-03-2013 01:21AM

Well if it was like that..

I've, certainly been refused a handful of times however it tends to be from being too jovial. Having had a few... actually, maybe that's more the reason and we tend to not be aware of that.. which can leave us dour faced and a mock-rumble ensues with the bouncers who restrain us and kick us up the jacksie in telling us to move on once-and-for-all, right?!!

srm23 · 11-03-2013 01:22AM

I dont understand Madison's apology,
assuming logically he was refused on health & saftey grounds
and the obvious fact that the place is down a flight of stairs,
why are they issuing a grovelling apology as if they seriously wronged him?

I was more on the side of its some bitter chap who couldn't handle
the fact he was refused entry until i read that.

Ruudi_Mentari · 11-03-2013 01:23AM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

Hit the nail on the head. If you got refused entry to a club do you spend 45 minutes moaning etc to the bouncers, no you move on and take your custom elsewhere.

not if people you've not seen in 10 yr+ are inside whom you've arranged to meet?! .. anyhoo.

Kenny Logins · 11-03-2013 01:23AM

srm23 wrote: »

I dont understand Madison's apology,
assuming logically he was refused on health & saftey grounds
and the obvious fact that the place is down a flight of stairs,
why are they issuing a grovelling apology as if they seriously wronged him?

I was more on the side of its some bitter chap who couldn't handle
the fact he was refused entry until i read that.

Mob doesn't want the H&S response.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 01:24AM

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

not if people you've not seen in 10 yr+ are inside?! .. anyhoo.

I doubt that was the story in this case.

orestes · 11-03-2013 01:25AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why is there a "general bitterness towards bouncers"? You think that just apppeared overnight for no reason?

Hang on, was this whole thing a social experiment into peoples prejudices towards bouncers?

Systemic Risk · 11-03-2013 01:26AM

Id love to have been there or to see a video of the actual incident with audio to hear how it was dealt with by the security. I can comment otherwise on the incident.

The statement from the club seems like they know this is a battle that they cant win and are taking a sensible stance of apologising profusely and accepting culpability whether or not they were at fault. If the security guard is agency the club cant fire him anyway but can make sure he doesn't work there again. He will most likely be moved to a different pub/club that the agency provides security for. I hope he doesn't lose his job anyway as that would be a very harsh outcome.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 01:27AM

srm23 wrote: »

I dont understand Madison's apology,
assuming logically he was refused on health & saftey grounds
and the obvious fact that the place is down a flight of stairs,
why are they issuing a grovelling apology as if they seriously wronged him?

I was more on the side of its some bitter chap who couldn't handle
the fact he was refused entry until i read that.

As I stated earlier Madison took the easy way out because of the mob mentality on social media especially from abroad as the story is now worldwide.

Ruudi_Mentari · 11-03-2013 01:27AM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

I doubt that was the story in this case.

fair enough but we can linger if somebody we're with is still inside... albeit slightly bitterly.

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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