Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

michellie · 10-03-2013 11:52PM

Thats a whole lot of hulluabaloo over a bloody night out. You get refused entry simply move on, dont hang around for 45 mins making a scene.

Being refused entry is not a big deal. Worse things could happen!

Steve O · 10-03-2013 11:52PM

Quazzie wrote: »

The girl in the photo is Christina Urban, a Polish model.

You're welcome

Just had a look, dear God.

hatrickpatrick · 10-03-2013 11:53PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I really don't get facebook witch hunts. Last time I checked that one single post had 16,000 likes in 3 hours.

This all coming from one man posting his side of the arguement on a business' public page.

Anything the Business says now will be rubbished regardless of the circumstances. The Staff are the ones who will suffer the most out of all of this.

If this man wanted to be taken serious he should have taken legal advice on the issue on Monday morning and leave facebook witch hunts to the Justin Bieber fans.

To be fair it's probably because a lot (not all, a lot) of Dublin bouncers are complete w@nkers and people are starting to realise that a social media campaign can actually succeed in getting them fired.

I actually got a bouncer removed after he refused me entry from a club a few years ago for absolutely no reason, hadn't even had a drink and had done nothing wrong. Emailed the club on my way home with a photo of the guy an explaining what happened, they apologised and got rid of him. Never saw him there again after that.
I've always assumed the reason for the prompt action was because I told them that my friends had been going en masse to that club every week and they would lose an absolute ton of business if we made a fuss.

debabyjesus · 10-03-2013 11:53PM

He could walk away with a big settlement from this..

orestes · 10-03-2013 11:54PM

He wasn't refused because they don't like people in wheelchairs, he was refused because the club has no way to accommodate people in wheelchairs. One is discrimination, the other is an unfortunate but real fact. Simples, no?

Starting an online hate campaign, forcing an apology from the venue, getting a guy fired, and getting the place so much bad publicity that it's practically being stormed by a mob wielding torches and pitch-forks is just throwing a tantrum. I've spent a few years in a wheelchair and I've worked in the bar trade, and the guy who started this is a selfish tool in my opinion.

michellie · 10-03-2013 11:57PM

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

up for anything · 10-03-2013 11:59PM

Seems a bit odd to refuse him because he's in a wheelchair - someone mentioned stairs. Is there only once access to the place? I can't see how otherwise they'd never have got a fire cert. Surely there would have been some way to accommodate the guy getting in via a fire exit.

Kenny Logins · 11-03-2013 12:00AM

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

Oh Jesus.

I guess that gives some indication as to what happened in those 45 minutes.

Steve O · 11-03-2013 12:01AM

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

11-03-2013 12:02AM

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

??????????

What's in the link?

michellie · 11-03-2013 12:03AM

Steve O wrote: »

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

People are mental.

steddyeddy · 11-03-2013 12:04AM

Steve O wrote: »

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

He's hardly going to say "I was a drunk pr1ck" at this stage but if that is what happened maybe someone else remembers him.

11-03-2013 12:05AM

There's some issues with this, that people seem to not be taking into account of course, this is all dependent on how the bouncer refused entry, as I am commenting without this knowledge

There's a strong chance that the premises wouldn't have the insurance for carrying a wheelchair bound user up and down the steep steps, as Sarannewrap has said (I've never been in there personally). Possibly, for a normal set of stairs, but for anyone to carry anyone down a steep set would just be an insurance nightmare. It's entirely reasonable that a bouncer would be unwilling to wheelchair down.

If this guy is really feeling discriminated against, then why doesn't he go through the proper channels, which are there to ensure that this doesn't happen?

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:06AM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Oh Jesus.

I guess that gives some indication as to what happened in those 45 minutes.

I just googled the guy. He has his own website, etc. The first page even has an RTE program about him.

There's no way he didn't know what he was doing. He wanted the publicity.

I Luv Crysis · 11-03-2013 12:07AM

Stung rapid

11-03-2013 12:08AM

Steve O wrote: »

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

Death threats against a guy just doing his job? This has got way out of hand

Has Graham Bolger said anything since on FB? His should be ashamed of himself.

Amirani · 11-03-2013 12:11AM

Unfair dismissals claim could be on the way from the bouncer now.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 12:11AM

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

If that's true then Mr Bolger owes Madison and most importantly the sacked bouncer an apology. All we have is one side of the story, you need both sides before you make a judgement. He should have contacted Madison privately not taken to facebook to put across his point. Madison never got a chance to put across their point of view and as pointed out earlier people from all over the world who have never been to Ireland are putting their 2 cents in. I think more clubs will be wary of letting him in after the way he has behaved.

Kenny Logins · 11-03-2013 12:12AM

Grayson wrote: »

I just googled the guy. He has his own website, etc. The first page even has an RTE program about him.

There's no way he didn't know what he was doing. He wanted the publicity.

To be fair, I don't know where the original 'statement' was posted but it does look to me as if it's a case of an angry mob being outraged on his behalf. **** like this can spread very quickly on Facetwat (or Twitter. That's where I saw it first), and he might not have anticipated this level of stampy footing.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 12:15AM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

To be fair, I don't know where the original 'statement' was posted but it does look to me as if it's a case of an angry mob being outraged on his behalf. **** like this can spread very quickly on Facetwat (or Twitter. That's where I saw it first), and he might not have anticipated this level of stampy footing.

The moment you post on Facebook or Twitter you will get an angry mob. Anyone who does not know this or claims not to know this should not have an account on either social media platform.

P_1 · 11-03-2013 12:15AM

Do you know something, this is probably going to play right into the hands of that fool of a Senator who wants all IP's tracked

hatrickpatrick · 11-03-2013 12:15AM

orestes wrote: »

He wasn't refused because they don't like people in wheelchairs, he was refused because the club has no way to accommodate people in wheelchairs. One is discrimination, the other is an unfortunate but real fact. Simples, no?

Starting an online hate campaign, forcing an apology from the venue, getting a guy fired, and getting the place so much bad publicity that it's practically being stormed by a mob wielding torches and pitch-forks is just throwing a tantrum. I've spent a few years in a wheelchair and I've worked in the bar trade, and the guy who started this is a selfish tool in my opinion.

I would imagine that the bouncer probably wasn't the most polite about it. There's a tactful way to deal with situations like this, and again although I've met many very sound bouncers in my time, I've met enough arrogant douches to say that it's likely the attitude these people were met with probably inflamed their anger.

steddyeddy · 11-03-2013 12:16AM

I dont know much about what happened here so its hard to judge either way. I find it hard to believe that someone doesn't like guys in wheelchairs. I dont know though it's possible.

I'll add 99% of doormen are decent people. Some are grassholes and shouldnt be working as doormen. Previously these would act with impunity but thanks to facebook and mobile phones things are changing. A bouncer in a certain club in bray was famous for refusing people and making nasty remarks. A few weekends ago he refused a girl and called her ugly and obese, all of which was filmed via camera phone. The same weekend the doorman was fired.

md23040 · 11-03-2013 12:16AM

To me the whole thing may be an orchestrated event by some fame hungry attention grabbers loving the social media stir.

Everyone likes their 5 minutes in the spotlight and certainly this has got it's five minutes but the business in a struggling environment has to live with the repercussions.

This is a tech savvy person by the looks of the YouTube video (of how he ended up in a wheelchair) and if this venue with inadequate facilities hadn't refused ,then maybe another one may have been chosen etc with the then relevant photo-op shot outside the premises for FB etc.

Call me cynical but there are many hungry people out there looking for their 5 minutes. So why pre-emptively flash it all over Facebook then go to boards if it isn't a campaign of some sorts?

My last post stands to the course of action that should have been followed. Report it to the venue on Monday and if not taken seriously or not adequately explained then follow the Internet witch hunt.

Lapin · 11-03-2013 12:16AM

Pretty shítty how the word of one man has cost another his job.

Bolger should have been man enough to deal with this directly with the club in question in a dignified manner rather than whinging to the world about it on Facebook.

El Inho · 11-03-2013 12:19AM

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

he'd want to charge his phone an all!

but yeah this smelled of more to the story from the outset...

was how the guy was named from the OP...that made my ears prick up.

ill be following to see what happens. could be interesting

My name is URL · 11-03-2013 12:20AM

Your man should claim that it was all part of an elaborate social experiment.

SusieBlue · 11-03-2013 12:21AM

I work in a nightclub that has three flights of stairs. If a customer in a wheelchair wants to come in, they have to give us 1 hours notice so we can erect the removable ramp for the stairs.

If they don't give us notice, their only other option is to sign a release form giving the bouncers permission to carry them up the stairs. Otherwise, there is literally no other way for us to get them up the stairs. I know it isn't ideal to have to be carried up but we can't get planning permission to install a lift (old building) and there is only one staircase, meaning we can't make a permanent ramp.

Also, when they get up the stairs, they are politely asked to stay in a large designated area near a fire exit so that in case of an emergency a bouncer will be able to get them to safety quickly.

Bouncers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I never realised how much total crap and shít they had to deal with until I started working in the club.

The witch hunt is totally unnecessary and will cost people jobs. I know most people don't care but the only people who will hurt from this are the staff, who are totally innocent. Recessionary times are hitting cubs hard enough without all this bad press, and a lot of nightclub staff tend to be college students trying to put themselves through college - at least where I work anyway. The affect this could have on the staff is scary.

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:22AM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

To be fair, I don't know where the original 'statement' was posted but it does look to me as if it's a case of an angry mob being outraged on his behalf. **** like this can spread very quickly on Facetwat (or Twitter. That's where I saw it first), and he might not have anticipated this level of stampy footing.

I don't know. He and the girl work in entertainment. If you google his name, he's involved at a high level. His friends are posting it on message boards. And there have been so many of these "outrage" things recently, it's so easy to make these things go viral.
Plenty of people have posted that they are in wheelchairs or know of people in wheelchairs who have been refused admittance to places because they simply weren't accessible. But he says it never happens.

I can't believe that they didn't know what the outcome of this would be. Or at the very least hoped it would be this.

orestes · 11-03-2013 12:22AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I would imagine that the bouncer probably wasn't the most polite about it. There's a tactful way to deal with situations like this, and again although I've met many very sound bouncers in my time, I've met enough arrogant douches to say that it's likely the attitude these people were met with probably inflamed their anger.

So you're just assuming that the door-staff were assholes about it?

I don't need to imagine that people who get refused from nightclubs for completely genuine reasons can be belligerent self-righteous arseholes, cos I know that they can be.

But neither of us has a shred of evidence to go on about what happened, but let's not let that get in the way of a witch-hunt eh?

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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