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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    SamHall wrote: »
    Ah Dwork, we can all sleep sound in the notion that some of our fellow posters will always pay whatever taxes are written into law.

    Even if it means neglecting the mortgage...

    Losing the home to pay the family home tax makes sense. (if its the law)
    I'd be more the Rebel type, tbh. Roof before RPT and all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Maudi


    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    too many lefty ULA/sinner radical types on boards.ie these days
    , at least going by this thread....
    its rumoured that fine gayl shrills are paid to "haunt"boards..obviously its true..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I fully support a property tax.

    I fully reject repaying the bank senior bondholders.

    The 64bn cost of the banking crisis is not a justified debt of the Irish people. Even if Brian Len guaranteed the banks liabilities, we should have reneged on that guarantee.

    It is not our debt.

    But if we continue to run a fiscal deficit, overspending and undertaxing, then we need new taxes to cover that deficit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Maudi


    Geuze wrote: »
    I fully support a property tax.

    I fully reject repaying the bank senior bondholders.

    The 64bn cost of the banking crisis is not a justified debt of the Irish people. Even if Brian Len guaranteed the banks liabilities, we should have reneged on that guarantee.

    It is not our debt.

    But if we continue to run a fiscal deficit, overspending and undertaxing, then we need new taxes to cover that deficit.
    this post is so thick i just throw ceap in...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    Geuze wrote: »
    I fully support a property tax.

    I fully reject repaying the bank senior bondholders.

    The 64bn cost of the banking crisis is not a justified debt of the Irish people. Even if Brian Len guaranteed the banks liabilities, we should have reneged on that guarantee.

    It is not our debt.

    But if we continue to run a fiscal deficit, overspending and undertaxing, then we need new taxes to cover that deficit.
    I'll send you my bill. You can fully support it. "We" aren't spending too much. "They" are. "We" don't want to pay for "they".


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    I'm surprised they don't have penalties laid out.. Fines etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I'm surprised they don't have penalties laid out.. Fines etc

    I'm not.


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MadsL wrote: »
    You think married couples do not have joint responsibility for their tax affairs and that hiding your true marital situation from Revenue is something other than tax dodging?

    I have no idea why you haven't claimed Jobseekers as you were eligible when you were made redundant as you could have claimed for one year regardless of your husbands income.

    You seem a bit all over the place when it comes to your financial affairs, trying to pull the wool over Revenue's eyes probably isn't the best path.

    Username 123 is just winding you up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    seamus wrote: »

    There is no moral justification for opposing a legal tax by not paying it. The law is democratic, therefore you change it by consensus, not by disobedience.

    Does democratic mean being told which way to vote. If so, I guess you're right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Dwork wrote: »
    I'll send you my bill. You can fully support it. "We" aren't spending too much. "They" are. "We" don't want to pay for "they".

    In a democracy, they is me and you. Me and you are overspending and undertaxing.

    My parents earn 50k and pay 2.5k in tax, that is 5%. That is way too low, we can't afford such low income taxes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Maudi wrote: »
    this post is so thick i just throw ceap in...

    I don't understand your comment. You mention the word "ceap". That word isn't familiar to me. Can you perhaps explain further?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse



    Their party operates a property tax in the North.

    Do the people up north get anything in return?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    At this point, it's clear that property taxes are a sensible response to the massive decline in tax revenues in Ireland. They are steady and predictable sources of revenue.

    As we all pay much less tax, due to the huge fall in incomes, then the bad news is that each of us must pay a bit more.

    Now, in my opinion, there should be four income tax rates, at 20, 30, 40 and 50%.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Geuze wrote: »

    My parents earn 50k and pay 2.5k in tax, that is 5%. That is way too low.

    I'm sure that they are very proud of you anyway. You're right, that is way too low, You do the right thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Geuze wrote: »
    At this point, it's clear that property taxes are a sensible response to the massive decline in tax revenues in Ireland. They are steady and predictable sources of income.

    A NEW report on household income in this country claims more than 90,000 people are “working poor” and that as many as 630,000 are below the poverty line.
    Social Justice Ireland’s annual Socio-Economic Review also claims at least 210,000 to 220,000 children are living in households that experience poverty.

    Shall I pass on this information to these people or will you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Geuze wrote: »
    Me and you are overspending.

    Not only am I not overspending, but my family and I have been eating horse burgers for the past several years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Gardai issue threat to every motorist in Ireland, to issue fines if they break the speed limit.

    Someone get this guy a stage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭cartell_best


    The only two things we are certain of in life, are death and taxes.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    Geuze wrote: »
    In a democracy, they is me and you. Me and you are overspending and undertaxing.

    My parents earn 50k and pay 2.5k in tax, that is 5%. That is way too low, we can't afford such low income taxes.
    Err, yeah. I pay that a week in PRSI. "Me and you" can fcuk off with their overspending and undertaxing. I got none of the overspend and I seem to have also fallen on the blindside of the undertaxing bit too.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Geuze wrote: »
    At this point, it's clear that property taxes are a sensible response to the massive decline in tax revenues in Ireland. They are steady and predictable sources of revenue.

    As we all pay much less tax, due to the huge fall in incomes, then the bad news is that each of us must pay a bit more.
    If we can pay "a bit more" G. It's a big if. Many thousands of people out there quite simply can't. With some the money is very tight and they just about have their heads above water, but this(and coming charges) will drown them. Others are already drowning. Actually and consistently broke and no amount of MABS help can fix it as the money is quite simply not there. You can't take trousers off a bare arse.

    I know too many families in these kind of situations. And these people weren't profligate nutjobs in the "boom" either. Ordinary "lower middle class" folks many with kids and they're in real trouble. One woman I know actually said to me that she often thinks what if her or her husband died, because then the kids and the surviving partner would be OK because of the insurance payout. This was said quite matter of fact and TBH it chilled me that some are thinking like that.

    Now sure there are people who were living like millionaires on ordinary salaries and "cheap" credit and now the piper is looking to be paid. I know a couple of those and those I have far less sympathy for. However the banking/financial checks and balances that should have been in play failed them and the rest of us. They gave people this money when it should have been clear to Stevie fcuking Wonder that they had no hope of paying the loans back. That's before we look at the developers etc who were doing the same with billions. I'm sure the financial regulator(s) involved are still in jobs or on nice pensions thanks very much, but those they let down, actually fcuk let down, those they betrayed are feeling the pinch.
    Now, in my opinion, there should be four income tax rates, at 20, 30, 40 and 50%.
    Which will just increase wealth flight out of the country at those higher values.

    I don't have any solutions. I'm plain outa ideas TBH, but surely there is a better way, because - and I'm really not trying to be dramatic here - I can see real social and personal problems coming down the line. I already know of two middle aged men who have hung themselves over the pressure and I can't see it getting any better.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    No offence but what Iv read on here people seem to be very compliant with the government to the point of just seeming meak and call themselves law abiding citizens. There could be a very big scare with this tax when house valuation (valuation is not just size but location too id reckon) is completed and your handed your first proper property tax bill.
    The scary thing is we are reducing the deficeit but still a long way off.
    Dont be fooled. Could be a lot more taxes introduced over the next few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    There is so much double tax in this country to start with. Now you have the USC, motor tax,tv tax, tax at the petrol pump, water tax, poop tax, tax tax tax tax, all to subsidize a legally questionable bail out as in nationalising private loans.

    You will not see a penny of this tax going to local services like schools and roads. This is pure bailout money.

    The celtic tiger did not hit all parts of Ireland and yet all of Ireland now has to pay with their pounds of flesh for this basically financial game.

    Wibbs is right too- you are going to see some serious problems down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Has anyone actually looked at the calculation tool on the Revenue website to have a rough idea how much they will be expected to pay? I wonder how many homes will be in the 0 to 100000 group at 45 euro?

    http://www.revenue.ie/lpt_reckoner/index_en.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    sfwcork wrote: »
    Its quite funny how yesterday when she was on the radio she was saying how fast they will turn it all around

    When I rang them 3 wks ago to tell them they owe me cash I had to send off email proof..when then takes 6-8 weeks to be seen and then further time to be acted upon

    I rang to get copies of my tax returns. They arrived 3 days later with a cheque. I didn't even know I'd overpaid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Grayson wrote: »
    I rang to get copies of my tax returns. They arrived 3 days later with a cheque. I didn't even know I'd overpaid.

    Funny that, you'd think they'd have told you.

    Its alright for them to owe you money, but its court and bank account raids when we owe them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Wibbs, you wrote it well. All these taxes and charges will lead to less money and income that has already dwindled and it will lead to more unemployment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    To add to that, there is less money going into the economy because people are saving it all to emigrate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Geuze wrote: »
    At this point, it's clear that property taxes are a sensible response to the massive decline in tax revenues in Ireland. They are steady and predictable sources of revenue.

    As we all pay much less tax, due to the huge fall in incomes, then the bad news is that each of us must pay a bit more.

    Now, in my opinion, there should be four income tax rates, at 20, 30, 40 and 50%.

    But the uk has a property tax and they have the same problems as us with a deficit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    But the uk has a property tax and they have the same problems as us with a deficit.

    UK have control of their currency, some dignity and a couple more honest politicians.


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