revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

Occam · 08-03-2013 08:22PM

username123 wrote: »

Ive never denied that Im liable. Revenue know who I am. Thats fine. I am simply stating, yet again, that I have no income, social welfare or savings to take the money from - so I cant pay it. Let them put a judgement against the property. So what? I can never sell it, the negative equity is huge.

I'm afraid you don't get to choose how Revenue pursue the liability. Clearly it would be preferable for you to defer this until your death, however it almost certainly won't work that way.

It is very likely, that at some stage in the future you will want or need to engage with Revenue or DSP, for example if you decide to claim a pension, child benefit, get a job, receive an inheritance, qualify for Job seekers, sick benefit, etc., or ever even deposit money in a bank account, then they will take the money that way.

username123 · 08-03-2013 08:27PM

Occam wrote: »

It is very likely, that at some stage in the future you will want or need to engage with Revenue or DSP, for example if you decide to claim a pension, child benefit, get a job, receive an inheritance, qualify for Job seekers, sick benefit, etc., or ever even deposit money in a bank account, then they will take the money that way.

Grand. But right now - nothing they can do that has any impact on me. We'll see how it really plays out. I strongly suspect all the scaremongering going on here and in the media will turn out to be so much bluff. Too many people to chase, no enough man power, too many genuine cases, and the next general election will be won by whoever promises to get rid of it.

We had people promising all sorts of personal armageddon about the household charge too and nothing happened except it got tacked onto the local property tax.

Occam · 08-03-2013 08:34PM

username123 wrote: »

Grand. But right now - nothing they can do that has any impact on me. We'll see how it really plays out. I strongly suspect all the scaremongering going on here and in the media will turn out to be so much bluff. Too many people to chase, no enough man power, too many genuine cases, and the next general election will be won by whoever promises to get rid of it.

We had people promising all sorts of personal armageddon about the household charge too and nothing happened except it got tacked onto the local property tax.

Agreed, but your case is very, very unusual. Id almost guess unique.

The overwhelming majority of people in your case would be claiming mortgage interest relief for example, and almost everyone would be jointly assessed where one spouse had an income and the other didn't.

username123 · 08-03-2013 08:42PM

Occam wrote: »

Agreed, but your case is very, very unusual. Id almost guess unique.

The overwhelming majority of people in your case would be claiming mortgage interest relief for example, and almost everyone would be jointly assessed where one spouse had an income and the other didn't.

Its really not, I know a number of people (even within my extended family) in somewhat similar positions.

end of the road · 08-03-2013 08:47PM

Chinasea wrote: »

And where is the money supposed to come from to pay for: ?
Maintenance and cleaning of streets
Parks
Street lighting
Libraries
Open spaces and leisure amenities

don't know, don't care, i live out the country and don't use such services, the current taxes can well pay for the emergency services, and i'm sure all the development and planning charges that do currently exist should surely cover Planning and development?

Chinasea wrote: »

Ireland is one of the last countries in Europe that does not fund local services through local property-based charges.

but i can bet in those european countries they get the required services efficiently and to a high standard, here we'l only get a half arsed job most likely

Chinasea wrote: »

Same with water. We should ALL be contributing something.

toards water? if you use the council mains then yes, if you live out the country and have your own well and pay for the care and maintenence of your own pipes and other infrastructure then no, my land my water.

Chinasea wrote: »

you will find that many of the European will have a much more pro-active approach when it comes to their environment and how it is looked after both by the inhabitants and by their local authority, and make activities down in the Town Hall hopefully more accountable. But, again that is up to the locals.

different cultures act different ways

Chinasea wrote: »

Perhaps paying for these services helps people realize that our resources aren't bottomless pits.

in ireland making people pay for services isn't going to make them care more about them or realise their not "bottomless pits" its just going to get up the goats of people who just can't afford to pay any more, you can't get blood out of a stone, if the money isn't there for people to pay theirs nothing can be done.

mfceiling · 08-03-2013 09:27PM

Interesting to hear Leo Vradkar on the radio this morning, saying people need to take a look at their spending if they claim they can't afford this tax.

ilovesleep · 08-03-2013 09:38PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Interesting to hear Leo Vradkar on the radio this morning, saying people need to take a look at their spending if they claim they can't afford this tax.

Easy for him to say. How much of a pay packet is he on? The cheek of him.

Bullseye1 · 08-03-2013 09:39PM

Leo isn't living in the real world with his €100k + salary and his huge pension he has to look forward too. He has no idea what people are actually going through in his ivory tower.

Lumbo · 08-03-2013 09:48PM

Leo tried to strike up some conversation with me in the airport in Poznan (the morning after the Ireland v Italy match). I told him to **** off. Even though it wasn't sound, I've a feeling that I'll look back on it in years to come as the one of the greatest things I've ever done.

Maudi · 08-03-2013 10:14PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Leo isn't living in the real world with his €100k + salary and his huge pension he has to look forward too. He has no idea what people are actually going through in his ivory tower.

sure even the slithery bertie who has been under criminal investigation is on a state pension of thousands a week! UNDER CRIMINAL investigation..AND hes GIVEN thousands..WE ARE ****ED!!

ilovesleep · 08-03-2013 10:19PM

Maudi wrote: »

times coming...even if some of the 450.000 unemployed storm the dail and oust these cnuts then demand that we have a gov from brussells run us temporarily at top salary of 45.000 thou ..gets rid of the leeches in gov.that we dont need who are killing the country ..

I wonder could we ever get rid of our government? There was a European country there for a while, without a government, wasn't there. Not in the hope of demolishing a property tax. I understand the reasons for introducing the tax. But because they are forcing us down the route of austerity, dipping into our holey pockets, while they turn around and fill up theirs and include expenses.

I do not know what things are like for others, but I'm sure many more are in the same boat as me - a severely reduced income, due to unemployment or reduced working hours and reduced pay with more and more strains and demands on it. The government has no idea what things are like for many, many people and there is such a sickening patronising and condensing attitude coming from them with things like:

'you, the people of Ireland, are not to blame' ... then a few weeks later in Davos or somewhere - 'they all went mad with money borrowing'
(ah, no, we all did not. The developers who built the 3000 empty and unfinished housing estates that are lying idle in Ireland did).

'82% of the country are paying a sky package....so we're going to tax you more' - or something like that, said by who?

'if you can't afford this property tax, have a look at your spending'

Such such crap from them.

squod · 08-03-2013 10:27PM

Occam wrote: »

I'm afraid you don't get to choose how Revenue pursue the liability. Clearly it would be preferable for you to defer this until your death, however it almost certainly won't work that way.

It is very likely, that at some stage in the future you will want or need to engage with Revenue or DSP, for example if you decide to claim a pension, child benefit, get a job, receive an inheritance, qualify for Job seekers, sick benefit, etc., or ever even deposit money in a bank account, then they will take the money that way.

There's literally thousands of people disregarding hundreds of revenues rules daily in this country. If you believe this kind of bluster it's beyond me to explain to you how remarkable that comment is.

nlgbbbblth · 08-03-2013 10:29PM

SamHall wrote: »

Now its the sheriff you say.....

Sheriffs = pricks.

squod · 08-03-2013 10:30PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wonder could we ever get rid of our government?

Some countries governing parties resigned rather than hand power over to banks and thieves.

Dwork · 08-03-2013 10:36PM

squod wrote: »

Some countries governing parties resigned rather than hand power over to banks and thieves.

Ours would rather hand over their first born than resign. Be under no illusion. Unless their pension was unaffected. Then they'd resign quite quickly and the devil take the hindmost..

flutered · 08-03-2013 10:37PM

SamHall wrote: »

The last guy who challenged something as 'unconstitutional' was told to sod off, as he had no authority to challenge the govt :rolleyes:

(they didn't say he was wrong mind)

So, laws aren't that democratic in this country.

then two weeks later they changed the repayment method to the ecb, because some tds were about to take the same case to the court, which they would have won easily, the judge gave the gov some breathing space there.

username123 · 08-03-2013 10:37PM

Dwork wrote: »

Ours would rather hand over your first born than resign.

FYP

darkhorse · 08-03-2013 10:38PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

One of the Trotskyite big noises in CAHWT is standing in the bye election.

Who is it?

darkhorse · 08-03-2013 10:40PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And unpaid licence fees aren't a charge on the title of a house.

Yet.

Maudi · 08-03-2013 10:45PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wonder could we ever get rid of our government? There was a European country there for a while, without a government, wasn't there. Not in the hope of demolishing a property tax. I understand the reasons for introducing the tax. But because they are forcing us down the route of austerity, dipping into our holey pockets, while they turn around and fill up theirs and include expenses.

I do not know what things are like for others, but I'm sure many more are in the same boat as me - a severely reduced income, due to unemployment or reduced working hours and reduced pay with more and more strains and demands on it. The government has no idea what things are like for many, many people and there is such a sickening patronising and condensing attitude coming from them with things like:

'you, the people of Ireland, are not to blame' ... then a few weeks later in Davos or somewhere - 'they all went mad with money borrowing'
(ah, no, we all did not. The developers who built the 3000 empty and unfinished housing estates that are lying idle in Ireland did).

'82% of the country are paying a sky package....so we're going to tax you more' - or something like that, said by who?

'if you can't afford this property tax, have a look at your spending'

Such such crap from them.

that criminal noonan is a physco and hes responsible for the "if you have sky" quote ..p.s. google max kaiser re. noonan...that guy with the foreign name..?vradracula? is responsible for quote "if you cant pay check your finances" and dont forget this property/water tax is collected DIRECTLY to pay bondholders..nobody else..ireland wont see a cent..this crisis wasnt made by .plumbers.teachers.mechanics.painters.shopkeepers.taxi drivers..me..or you..THIS CRISIS BELONGS TO BANKERS AND POLITITIONS .....nobody
else..

darkhorse · 08-03-2013 10:55PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

"D'ya know, we don't need all this money to pay back bills."

Ah, why don't ya finish the sentence. "D'ya know, we don't need all this money to pay back bills that are not ours.

spank_inferno · 08-03-2013 10:56PM

Maudi wrote: »

that criminal noonan is a physco and hes responsible for the "if you have sky" quote ..p.s. google max kaiser re. noonan...that guy with the foreign name..?vradracula? is responsible for quote "if you cant pay check your finances" and dont forget this property/water tax is collected DIRECTLY to pay bondholders..nobody else..ireland wont see a cent..this crisis wasnt made by .plumbers.teachers.mechanics.painters.shopkeepers.taxi drivers..me..or you..THIS CRISIS BELONGS TO BANKERS AND POLITITIONS .....nobody
else..

Incorrect.

But don't let that stop you ranting on the internet!
Cos that's how real change happens.

Maudi · 08-03-2013 11:08PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Incorrect.

But don't let that stop you ranting on the internet!
Cos that's how real change happens.

ahs afraid tis all correct son...

Dwork · 08-03-2013 11:09PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Incorrect.

But don't let that stop you ranting on the internet!
Cos that's how real change happens.

Which bit isn't? If it's the "it's not our debt bit", then it is correct, It's not our debt. It deffo isn't mine anyway. I'd have noticed if I ran up a debt of a few billion. I'd have a better car anyway.

ZeroThreat · 08-03-2013 11:25PM

too many lefty ULA/sinner radical types on boards.ie these days, at least going by this thread....

Dwork · 08-03-2013 11:49PM

ZeroThreat wrote: »

too many lefty ULA/sinner radical types on boards.ie these days, at least going by this thread....

And too many _______ ________ _____ going by this post.

Banjo String · 09-03-2013 12:22AM

ZeroThreat wrote: »

too many lefty ULA/sinner radical types on boards.ie these days, at least going by this thread....

Or perhaps boards represents the Irish majority?

Nurses (as a small example) have taken drastic cuts to pay and conditions.
Yet bankers and politicians haven't.

Nurses caused the crap we're all in though.

Right?

Dwork · 09-03-2013 12:29AM

SamHall wrote: »

Or perhaps boards represents the Irish majority?

Nurses (as a small example) have taken drastic cuts to pay and conditions.
Yet bankers and politicians haven't.

Nurses caused the crap we're all in though.

Right?

Sure who really needs Nurses though? Bankers? They're systemic, dontcha know. systemic me hole.

MadsL · 09-03-2013 12:32AM

username123 wrote: »

His name is not on the property. Its not his tax liability.

Ive said I am happy for revenue to put a judgement against the property - how does that make me a tax dodger or do you just like to spout personal abuse because some people have different financial circumstances to yourself?

You think married couples do not have joint responsibility for their tax affairs and that hiding your true marital situation from Revenue is something other than tax dodging?

I have no idea why you haven't claimed Jobseekers as you were eligible when you were made redundant as you could have claimed for one year regardless of your husbands income.

You seem a bit all over the place when it comes to your financial affairs, trying to pull the wool over Revenue's eyes probably isn't the best path.

Banjo String · 09-03-2013 12:33AM

Dwork wrote: »

Sure who really needs Nurses though? Bankers? They're systemic, dontcha know. systemic me hole.

Ah Dwork, we can all sleep sound in the notion that some of our fellow posters will always pay whatever taxes are written into law.

Even if it means neglecting the mortgage...

Losing the home to pay the family home tax makes sense. (if its the law)

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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