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revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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  • #122
    relax carry on
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    sfwcork wrote: »

    you must be a very special boy so because with mine its going to take at least 2-3 months

    I even asked a relation who is a mamaner with the revenue can she ensure that my email is moved up and she couldnt as the boys at the top have stopped it and every email has to be done by date

    Slightly off topic but you wanted a relative to move your issue ahead of others? Processing items of correspondence in date order allows everyone to be treated equally.

    Depending on what taxhead you a claiming a refund under, you could be dealing with an understaffed area and or an area at its peak period. If you have been requested to provide additional info that will obviously slow things down. Sometimes you just have to be patient.

    If you feel that you are being hard doneby then you can lodge a complaint, but maybe read the customer service charter.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/about/custservice/standards.html


  • #123
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bastados wrote: »
    "The revolution is coming" - Deputy Joe Higgins
    Is that why he's retiring? Had enough, poor thing. He's burnt out.


  • #124
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Occam wrote: »
    There are very, very few people with no income, bank accounts or social welfare benefits who are property owners, and not jointly assessed with their spouse.

    You think so? I know plenty. Self employed people who are not entitled to social welfare whose businesses have gone bust.

    Im sorry if this upsets your world view.


  • #125
    Mikros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭Mikros


    The reality is the Government are terrified that this tax will go the same way as the household property charge last year. If the same numbers of people ignore, contest or otherwise obstruct paying the tax the system will simply not be able to cope and the very credibility of the government will be at stake. Hence why we are being subject to all sorts of dire threats about revenue taking money directly from your bank account and trying to close off every loophole possible.

    This is not a property tax like in other countries - the money is not ring fenced for local services, it goes into a central funds, a quarter of which will be going to pay for debt servicing. The plan is to get it up and running now and gradually increase it every budget. Just like the water fees when they come in.

    With nearly >100,000 owner occupier mortgages in some kind of distress, a charge on their property they cannot sell and worth a mere fraction of the outstanding mortgage is a slap in the face to many people desperately struggling. Not to mention thousands who are paying an annual management fee already. But our politicians are still the highest paid in Europe - because they are worth it you see...


  • #126
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    V_Moth wrote: »
    What is interesting is that the Govt have vehemently rejected any Financial Transaction Tax (thanks IBEC!) along with the UK. All other European govts stand to gain 3 to 5 billion each. If this had been implemented in 2009, we could have paid back the majority of the debts by now (4 years x say 5 billion).

    I suppose it is much easier to go after 2 million house owners rather than a few dozen companies...

    They rejected that tax because if they didn't, all of those companies would have gone straight to the UK (who also rejected that tax), thus losing the government far, far more money in tax than they would gain. :rolleyes:


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  • #127
    chillywilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭chillywilly


    Why is it that the revenue system is so efficient and every other department is so useless?


  • #128
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    If a letter arrives at your home adressed to someone who doesnt live there, you could return it unopened or ignore it, Then Revenue will proceed to pursue that person for the tax. When it quickly becomes obviuous that that person is not liable for the tax, it will be quite easy to find out who is, and charge the current owner. They will also fine the owner as it is your responsibilty as a liable home owner to self-assess for LPT.

    I, and I suggest anyone else opposed to this tax will be marking the letter 'return to sender' and throwing it into the nearest post box.


    Or alternatively, pop it in an envelope, and send it to:

    Phil Hogan
    Grovine
    County Kilkenny.


  • #129
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    username123 wrote: »
    What a bunch of scaremongering rubbish.

    I do not deny that revenue know who I am. I am happy for them to put a judgement against the property. I am simply observing that the current threats of "it will be taken from your wages, social welfare or savings" do not wash with me as I have none of the above.

    Id be happy at a spell in prison for this, I have dental work outstanding that I simply cannot afford to have done.
    Its not scaremongering rubbish.You say you have no wages, SW or savings but if you are paying for utilities then Revenue know you have income.If you pay for your electricity, then you can pay your taxes. Its not rocket science. The law that was passed gave Revenue the power to access your utilities accounts.
    I dont understand the reference to prison and/or dental work.


  • #130
    Occam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Occam


    username123 wrote: »
    You think so? I know plenty. Self employed people who are not entitled to social welfare whose businesses have gone bust.

    Im sorry if this upsets your world view.

    Strawman argument, you seem to have forgotten the bit where I mentioned that they will have no bank accounts, no income, no dsp benefits and no assessable spouse ! The number is not zero, but its very, very low.

    I'd bet that in a few years time, when they want to claim a pension or something, they will really regret having to pay the 8% interest and penalties.


  • #131
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    username123 wrote: »
    Well they are almost used up now (been redundant almost 2 years). They were in a bank (and some emergency amount under the mattress) but we had to live off them - my husband was redundant for some of that time as well. My husband supports me now but he isnt connected with the property in any official sense. Social welfare know we are married, but as we are so often told as an excuse why child benefit cant be taxed for example, social welfare and revenue have no interconnecting systems - so for property tax purposes, theres simply nowhere to take the money from with me.
    They will just tax your Husband then. As your Husband, he doesn't have to have his name on the deeds to be entitled to half, as it's the marital home.


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  • #132
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Its not scaremongering rubbish.You say you have no wages, SW or savings but if you are paying for utilities then Revenue know you have income.If you pay for your electricity, then you can pay your taxes. Its not rocket science. The law that was passed gave Revenue the power to access your utilities accounts.
    I dont understand the reference to prison and/or dental work.

    Where does it say the Sherrif will come knocking?

    I missed that bit tbh.


  • #133
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Its not scaremongering rubbish.You say you have no wages, SW or savings but if you are paying for utilities then Revenue know you have income.If you pay for your electricity, then you can pay your taxes.

    Whats scaremongering rubbish is business about the sherriff. Do you really think the sherriff gets sent out over a couple of hundred euro? Seriously?

    My husband pays utilities.


  • #134
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    SamHall wrote: »
    I, and I suggest anyone else opposed to this tax will be marking the letter 'return to sender' and throwing it into the nearest post box.


    Or alternatively, pop it in an envelope, and send it to:

    Phil Hogan
    Grovine
    County Kilkenny.
    ...so samhall anyone who takes your advice needs to be aware that if they do that then Revenue will proceed to put a charge against their home for the estimate included in the original covering letter they received, plus penalties. Revenue have already got access to all your income. Its easy for them.


  • #135
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    SamHall wrote: »
    Where does it say the Sherrif will come knocking?

    I missed that bit tbh.

    i think the sherriff was calling after the clipboard wielding council officers, or was the LGMA calling before them or was that after the conmen pretending they were collecting for the DOE.
    There's so many calling now i cant keep up...
    :p


  • #136
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    And where is the money supposed to come from to pay for: ?

    Fire and emergency services
    Maintenance and cleaning of streets
    Planning and development
    Parks
    Street lighting
    Libraries
    Open spaces and leisure amenities
    to name but a few.

    Ireland is one of the last countries in Europe that does not fund local services through local property-based charges. Same with water. We should ALL be contributing something.

    And, you will find that many of the European will have a much more pro-active approach when it comes to their environment and how it is looked after both by the inhabitants and by their local authority, and make activities down in the Town Hall hopefully more accountable. But, again that is up to the locals. Perhaps paying for these services helps people realize that our resources aren't bottomless pits.


  • #137
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    ...so samhall anyone who takes your advice needs to be aware that if they do that then Revenue will proceed to put a charge against their home for the estimate included in the original covering letter they received, plus penalties. Revenue have already got access to all your income. Its easy for them.


    No sheriff this time?


  • #138
    Chop Chop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭Chop Chop


    sfwcork wrote: »
    Its quite funny how yesterday when she was on the radio she was saying how fast they will turn it all around

    When I rang them 3 wks ago to tell them they owe me cash I had to send off email proof..when then takes 6-8 weeks to be seen and then further time to be acted upon

    It took me 6 months to get 5k back off them, they really didn't want to give me my money back, funny how its snatched off you in an instant, but when there is a mistake and the shoe is on the other foot it's takes forever to get your money back.


  • #139
    Occam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Occam


    username123 wrote: »
    I am simply observing that the current threats of "it will be taken from your wages, social welfare or savings" do not wash with me as I have none of the above.
    username123 wrote: »
    I set aside a few grand a year for privately funded 3rd level education

    Where do you get the few grand to put away if you have no income?
    username123 wrote: »
    I manage it by paying the mortgage and bills first

    Is your husband paying paying the bills and mortgage, or are you ?
    username123 wrote: »
    I dont go near savings for frivolous matters

    Did you not say your savings were almost run out, as you have been living off them?


  • #140
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    username123 wrote: »
    Whats scaremongering rubbish is business about the sherriff. Do you really think the sherriff gets sent out over a couple of hundred euro? Seriously?

    My husband pays utilities.
    QUOTE=username123;83573628]Whats scaremongering rubbish is business about the sherriff. Do you really think the sherriff gets sent out over a couple of hundred euro? Seriously?

    My husband pays utilities.[/QUOTE]
    If your husband is the name on the utilities, and you think this is the only link to the ownership of your home, then the letter from Revenue will come to him.
    He says he is not liable but he is obliged by law to give the name and PPSN of the person who is. You. A sample of the form is available on revenue.ie.


  • #141
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    SamHall wrote: »
    No sheriff this time?
    It wont go as far as the sherrif in many cases samhall. revenue have the legal authority to access your bank A/C wages SW etc. But yes if citizens go to all the trouble and risk of hiding all their income, then we have been informed that the sherrifs office will get involved. and dont forget at that stage you will have incurred not only the tax but penalties and costs as well. all over a few euros a week


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  • #142
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Occam wrote: »
    Where do you get the few grand to put away if you have no income?

    When I had income I did. Obviously I cant do that right now.
    Occam wrote: »
    Is your husband paying paying the bills and mortgage, or are you ?

    We both are but my savings will run out in a few weeks.
    Occam wrote: »
    Did you not say your savings were almost run out, as you have been living off them?

    Yes, Id say Ive 5 or 6 weeks left before I have nada.


  • #143
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    If your husband is the name on the utilities, and you think this is the only link to the ownership of your home, then the letter from Revenue will come to him.
    He says he is not liable but he is obliged by law to give the name and PPSN of the person who is. You. A sample of the form is available on revenue.ie.

    His name isnt on any utilities.

    I do not deny I am liable. I simply have no income, social welfare or savings left to pay. Im happy to pay when I get an income.


  • #144
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I've reported to revenue that I died recently. Hopefully that should cover me and if they decided to call to my house I'll play dead till they go away again. Stupid revenue.


  • #145
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    username123 wrote: »
    His name isnt on any utilities.

    So, whoevers name is on the utilities is obliged by law to reveal the name and PPSN of the person who is liable for the tax. If you own that house , and you admit , ithink, that you do, then the liable person is you.


  • #146
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    CJC999 wrote: »
    I've reported to revenue that I died recently. Hopefully that should cover me and if they decided to call to my house I'll play dead till they go away again. Stupid revenue.
    That should do the trick!:pac:


  • #147
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    chillywilly wrote: »
    Why is it that the revenue system is so efficient and every other department is so useless?
    Only when they're looking for money... They never tell you when you've over paid!


  • #148
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    It wont go as far as the sherrif in many cases samhall. revenue have the legal authority to access your bank A/C wages SW etc. But yes if citizens go to all the trouble and risk of hiding all their income, then we have been informed that the sherrifs office will get involved. and dont forget at that stage you will have incurred not only the tax but penalties and costs as well. all over a few euros a week

    Do you work for the Revenue.


  • #149
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    So, whoevers name is on the utilities is obliged by law to reveal the name and PPSN of the person who is liable for the tax. If you own that house , and you admit , ithink, that you do, then the liable person is you.

    Ive never denied that Im liable. Revenue know who I am. Thats fine. I am simply stating, yet again, that I have no income, social welfare or savings to take the money from - so I cant pay it. Let them put a judgement against the property. So what? I can never sell it, the negative equity is huge.


  • #150
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Do you work for the Revenue.
    No, I wish. Just have had excellent training in the LPT. They really have every eventuality (excuse?) covered. My husband is taking the family laptop off me now but put up your best arguments and ill answer them later.


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  • #151
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    It wont go as far as the sherrif in many cases samhall. revenue have the legal authority to access your bank A/C wages SW etc. But yes if citizens go to all the trouble and risk of hiding all their income, then we have been informed that the sherrifs office will get involved. and dont forget at that stage you will have incurred not only the tax but penalties and costs as well. all over a few euros a week

    We'll take it from your wages, we'll take it from your dole, we'll pillage your bank account, we'll raid your pension fund, we'll place a charge on the property.......

    Now its the sheriff you say.....

    Really?

    Do you think it is wise to needlessly tie up all our revenue resources over 'a few euro pert week' when billions is being lost to real tax evaders/black market each year?

    Those already billions will undoubtedly rise now due to resources being otherwise engaged chasing pensioners though.

    Very smart govt, very smart indeed.


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