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reilig · 06-03-2013 05:08PM

Muckit wrote: »

Did you have to post off hair clippings? Good practice for this year's PB calves. The Limousin, Charolais and IHFA are 3 cattle societies that are genomic testing all calves born from here on in. Only right in a way I suppose.

Just off the phone. They have agreed to accept the ai docket as proof of sire. I asked her about the Genomic testing and she said that it would have to be done, but they cover most of the cost of that. If i had to have a dna test done, I'd have to cover the cost.

Know I got a letter about the Genomic testing - must have a read of it tonight!

saranac1 · 06-03-2013 08:06PM

whelan1 wrote: »

had a cow calving this morning, calf was coming backwards and was a week or 2 early, got him out and hung him over gate, put water in his ear and straw up his nose, put him under red light.... fecker died there a while ago, always after testing theres a few casualties

Sorry to hear that whelan1

pakalasa · 06-03-2013 08:13PM

Bizzum wrote: »

Anyone able to do a screenshot of this? It mightn't last that long:D

Attached...:D

Juniorhurler · 06-03-2013 09:35PM

Just back in from the shed checking on a heifer. I am on the graveyard shift tonight it seems.

delaval · 06-03-2013 10:48PM

rancher wrote: »

Jeez you don't like sheep do you, lambing here at the moment, seven day week for the total month of march.... nearly as bad as milking cows , after that we try to get the work done in a two day week.....well its been a long winter, some days I had to work as much as two hours

We were reared with sheep, if I got out of cows tomorrow I would deffo get into sheep............they do not go wellwith cows:):):)

jomoloney · 06-03-2013 11:08PM

delaval wrote: »

We were reared with sheep, if I got out of cows tomorrow I would deffo get into sheep............they do not go wellwith cows:):):)

we run 330 ewes along with a dairy herd , they actually get on very well

delaval · 06-03-2013 11:13PM

bob charles wrote: »

what sort of bell ends are taking land in KK. I see in the Indo land make I think €330 to go into maize. I cant make growing maize stack up this year @ €150 an acre so how are these people making it work.

That land is in Ballacolla south Laois. The big money €380 was for carrotts maize ground made 250 and so did grazing ground.

This would be one of the those areas where there would be fierce demand for land.....still doesn't add up does it? Same auctioneer stated land was making 10-15k/acre.

Juniorhurler · 07-03-2013 01:01AM

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Just back in from the shed checking on a heifer. I am on the graveyard shift tonight it seems.

Went down there for a look. Blister just burst. Put the hand in, got a big dry leg. The heifer had never broke down on the baring either. Pulled the calf and there he was, a lovely limo bull, as dead as a ****ing doornail. She had been leaving a pinkish red discharge behind her everywhere she lay down for the last ten days or so, so I feared the worst. I am as sick as a pig now. Going to have a cup of tea and off to bed.

Manoffeeling · 07-03-2013 01:05AM

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Went down there for a look. Blister just burst. Put the hand in, got a big dry leg. The heifer had never broke down on the baring either. Pulled the calf and there he was, a lovely limo bull, as dead as a ****ing doornail. She had been leaving a pinkish red discharge behind her everywhere she lay down for the last ten days or so, so I feared the worst. I am as sick as a pig now. Going to have a cup of tea and off to bed.

That's a pain in the hole.

bob charles · 07-03-2013 01:45AM

Does anyone else think it a fuppen disgrace what Thomas Crosbie holdings have done with their media company. Weasel there way out of debts, god knows how many people they have shafted and businesses put to the walk with this move that allows them to have a fresh start tomorrow morning. A joke

TCH owns the Examiner who print a farm section so its ag related

:D

freedominacup · 07-03-2013 04:02AM

bob charles wrote: »

Does anyone else think it a fuppen disgrace what Thomas Crosbie holdings have done with their media company. Weasel there way out of debts and god knows how many people they have shafted and business put to the walk with this mover and allowed to have a fresh start tomorrow morning. A joke

TCH owns the Examiner who print a farm section so its ag related :D

They didn't even have the decency to change the name on the new company, well not much anyway. The courts are being used day-in day-out at the moment for schemes like this often to get companies out of extortionate leases.

reilig · 07-03-2013 10:12AM

bob charles wrote: »

Does anyone else think it a fuppen disgrace what Thomas Crosbie holdings have done with their media company. Weasel there way out of debts, god knows how many people they have shafted and businesses put to the walk with this move that allows them to have a fresh start tomorrow morning. A joke

TCH owns the Examiner who print a farm section so its ag related :D

How many other companies around the country have done the same thing?
A large quarry and construction company near us developed 2 castle hotels and paid nobody for the work. Our diesel supplier went bust because they owed them €350,000, a local electrician went bust when they owed him €150,000, a plumbing company went bust because they were owed €250k.

The 2 hotels are being promoted as big venues with several celebrity weddings to boot. Locals won't go near them. The company split their holdings into 3 divisions - a construction division, a hotel division and a quarry division. The construction division owes €150 million because of the debts from the hotels and houses built in Dublin. The hotels are running separate. the quarry is running and is owed several million from the construction business - so if there is any payout when the liquidator gets in, the quarry will get some of its own money back. Funny that all 3 businesses were a single entity until the property crash. Owner still has porche, Lambourgini and helicopter parked outside his big house. But he has had to hire private security to make sure that the people he ripped off don't get their pound of flesh!

No wonder the country is a shambles. This guy is linked to major political figures also!

whelan1 · 07-03-2013 10:15AM

reilig wrote: »

How many other companies around the country have done the same thing?
A large quarry and construction company near us developed 2 castle hotels and paid nobody for the work. Our diesel supplier went bust because they owed them €350,000, a local electrician went bust when they owed him €150,000, a plumbing company went bust because they were owed €250k.

The 2 hotels are being promoted as big venues with several celebrity weddings to boot. Locals won't go near them. The company split their holdings into 3 divisions - a construction division, a hotel division and a quarry division. The construction division owes €150 million because of the debts from the hotels and houses built in Dublin. The hotels are running separate. the quarry is running and is owed several million from the construction business - so if there is any payout when the liquidator gets in, the quarry will get some of its own money back. Funny that all 3 businesses were a single entity until the property crash. Owner still has porche, Lambourgini and helicopter parked outside his big house. But he has had to hire private security to make sure that the people he ripped off don't get their pound of flesh!

No wonder the country is a shambles. This guy is linked to major political figures also!

some of these people really have no shame , jeeny if i owed some one money for months never mind years i wouldnt show my face in public.... yet we will be the ones paying for their smart arsedness

adne · 07-03-2013 10:35AM

reilig wrote: »

How many other companies around the country have done the same thing?
A large quarry and construction company near us developed 2 castle hotels and paid nobody for the work. Our diesel supplier went bust because they owed them €350,000, a local electrician went bust when they owed him €150,000, a plumbing company went bust because they were owed €250k.

The 2 hotels are being promoted as big venues with several celebrity weddings to boot. Locals won't go near them. The company split their holdings into 3 divisions - a construction division, a hotel division and a quarry division. The construction division owes €150 million because of the debts from the hotels and houses built in Dublin. The hotels are running separate. the quarry is running and is owed several million from the construction business - so if there is any payout when the liquidator gets in, the quarry will get some of its own money back. Funny that all 3 businesses were a single entity until the property crash. Owner still has porche, Lambourgini and helicopter parked outside his big house. But he has had to hire private security to make sure that the people he ripped off don't get their pound of flesh!

No wonder the country is a shambles. This guy is linked to major political figures also!

Well said Reilig, i know the company you are talking of.
It sums up this country, the sad thing is that these f*****s will be wealthy for generations and the average PAYE worker of the country will be screwed for generations.

On a seperate point.
Doing a crossword at the moment, anyone know where brian odriscoll had his wedding?

farmerjack · 07-03-2013 11:13AM

adne wrote: »

Well said Reilig, i know the company you are talking of.
It sums up this country, the sad thing is that these f*****s will be wealthy for generations and the average PAYE worker of the country will be screwed for generations.

On a seperate point.
Doing a crossword at the moment, anyone know where brian odriscoll had his wedding?

Drico was married in lough rynn co. Leitrim

Conmaicne Mara · 07-03-2013 12:47PM

reilig wrote: »

Our diesel supplier went bust because they owed them €350,000, a local electrician went bust when they owed him €150,000, a plumbing company went bust because they were owed €250k.

Why did those three business' let them run up such huge credits with them? That is bad business. I know of a dealer who used to operate in two local marts. He was ran out of one for being a bad payer, but the other mart still have him, why? Because he owes them so much money.

Suckler · 07-03-2013 01:02PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Why did those three business' let them run up such huge credits with them? That is bad business. I know of a dealer who used to operate in two local marts. He was ran out of one for being a bad payer, but the other mart still have him, why? Because he owes them so much money.

And why do people do business with these dealers? Because being a cute hoor is still seen as some sort of badge of honour by some. People still fail to realise that the dishonesty of others increased business costs we all have to suffer.

It's phrases like 'bad-payer' that dress it up from what it is. Thievery and nothing less. It's the same with tax avoidance, it's stealing from the people of Ireland yet those who are caught are never shy of a few friends.

It's not just business's that are prone to this level of dealing, I've heard many tradesmen brought in to do jobs in peoples houses being stone-walled on completion - lines like "you'll get paid at the end of the month, just like all my other bills".

Muckit · 07-03-2013 01:03PM

adne wrote: »

Well said Reilig, i know the company you are talking of.
It sums up this country, the sad thing is that these f*****s will be wealthy for generations and the average PAYE worker of the country will be screwed for generations.

On a seperate point.
Doing a crossword at the moment, anyone know where brian odriscoll had his wedding?

crossword eh.... :rolleyes: How many letters?!!

ya chancer!
I like the twinplex in the indo. Better when there's a few heads at it

Conmaicne Mara · 07-03-2013 01:06PM

Suckler wrote: »

And why do people do business with these dealers? Because being a cute hoor is still seen as some sort of badge of honour by some. People still fail to realise that the dishonesty of others increased business costs we all have to suffer.

It's phrases like 'bad-payer' that dress it up from what it is. Thievery and nothing less. It's the same with tax avoidance, it's stealing from the people of Ireland yet those who are caught are never shy of a few friends.

It's not just business's that are prone to this level of dealing, I've heard many tradesmen brought in to do jobs in peoples houses being stone-walled on completion - lines like "you'll get paid at the end of the month, just like all my other bills".

It's one dealer in particular. It's not as if the farmer has much of a choice who to sell his animal to once it's put on the market. The marts should be more clued in to that type of ****e acting, as they're an important outlet for farmers.

As for the big jobs, get paid stage by stage on time or down tools/remove what's already put in and walk out. A busy fool can work all the hours God sends on the promise of payment tomorrow.

adne · 07-03-2013 01:06PM

Muckit wrote: »

crossword eh.... :rolleyes: How many letters?!! ya chancer!
I like the twinplex in the indo. Better when there's a few heads at it

Farmer jacks answer will fit. Two words 5 letters and 4 letters

Suckler · 07-03-2013 01:13PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

As for the big jobs, get paid stage by stage on time or down tools/remove what's already put in and walk out. A busy fool can work all the hours God sends on the promise of payment tomorrow.

Careful - there's nearly always a clause in the contract that states once the materials have been incorporated into the works then the are deemed property of the contracting agent. It screwed over many a subcontractor in it's time.

Conmaicne Mara · 07-03-2013 01:15PM

Suckler wrote: »

Careful - there's nearly always a clause in the contract that states once the materials have been incorporated into the works then the are deemed property of the contracting agent. It screwed over many a subcontractor in it's time.

I wonder then could one get an injunction on the job due to lack of payment. Stop the whole shooting match.

reilig · 07-03-2013 01:18PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Why did those three business' let them run up such huge credits with them? That is bad business. I know of a dealer who used to operate in two local marts. He was ran out of one for being a bad payer, but the other mart still have him, why? Because he owes them so much money.

The debts just built with the promise of "next week we'll pay" ya or "when you have all done you will be paid". The development was promoted as being giant with a promise of loads of future work from it. The developer formed a new company of the hotels when they were built and the hotels was signed over from the development company to the hotel business - meaning that the hotels were debt free, but the development company owed a fortune to its suppliers and workers. Then the development company went into liquidation and the vast majority of the debts were unrecovered - but they couldn't touch the hotels for it.

Suckler · 07-03-2013 01:19PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

I wonder then could one get an injunction on the job due to lack of payment. Stop the whole shooting match.

Strikes etc. were threatened a few times - I was working for the main contractor - but nobody wanted to go that far and risk getting nothing for a long time. The case would inevitably be dragged out. Also you can be sure the payments clause referred to back-to-back payments whereby the subcontractors payment was dependent upon the main contractor getting paid. How the subcontractor could verify this was near impossible. Smaller subbies suffered than those with larger clout.

hugo29 · 07-03-2013 01:42PM

adne wrote: »

Well said Reilig, i know the company you are talking of.
It sums up this country, the sad thing is that these f*****s will be wealthy for generations and the average PAYE worker of the country will be screwed for generations.

On a seperate point.
Doing a crossword at the moment, anyone know where brian odriscoll had his wedding?

ok i am not with it, i am tired as was up half night with 2 cows, but was that a smart question in relation to the post before by reilig:rolleyes::D

reilig are these 2 hotels not booming, my sister was lookin at Kilronan as wedding venue, did not realise they had screwed people over, must have a quiet word with her

just do it · 07-03-2013 01:44PM

adne wrote: »

Well said Reilig, i know the company you are talking of.
It sums up this country, the sad thing is that these f*****s will be wealthy for generations and the average PAYE worker of the country will be screwed for generations.

On a seperate point.
Doing a crossword at the moment, anyone know where brian odriscoll had his wedding?

Heaven

hugo29 · 07-03-2013 01:46PM

Suckler wrote: »

Careful - there's nearly always a clause in the contract that states once the materials have been incorporated into the works then the are deemed property of the contracting agent. It screwed over many a subcontractor in it's time.

collateral warranties, a great leveller,

hugo29 · 07-03-2013 01:49PM

Suckler wrote: »

Strikes etc. were threatened a few times - I was working for the main contractor - but nobody wanted to go that far and risk getting nothing for a long time. The case would inevitably be dragged out. Also you can be sure the payments clause referred to back-to-back payments whereby the subcontractors payment was dependent upon the main contractor getting paid. How the subcontractor could verify this was near impossible. Smaller subbies suffered than those with larger clout.

ur right suckler, subbies in this country have no rights, that needs to change,

blue5000 · 07-03-2013 02:05PM

And here's another company with liquidators in, think a lot of money was owed to them by a chicken crowd. Anybody in Cork got more up to date news on it?
http://www.southernstar.ie/Community/Kinsale/Joint-receivers-for-Henry-Good-Ltd-in-Kinsale-28022013.htm

bob charles · 07-03-2013 02:14PM

blue5000 wrote: »

And here's another company with liquidators in, think a lot of money was owed to them by a chicken crowd. Anybody in Cork got more up to date news on it?
http://www.southernstar.ie/Community/Kinsale/Joint-receivers-for-Henry-Good-Ltd-in-Kinsale-28022013.htm

Nothing as of yet, great business opportunity I would think, though buying back the goodwill of suppliers maybe difficult as there is allot due. Chickens cost them big but also the "developer" attitude that griped this country had a major part to play. Jasus us farmers were fair prudent, how many have gone bust as of yet?

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