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Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Ger was called Eoin quite a few times last night, cringe inducing to listen to :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Ger was called Eoin quite a few times last night, cringe inducing to listen to :eek:
    Johnny Giles no doubt? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Btr


    I can only go on what it's been reported the lads said when they resigned and if true they're quite surprising. It is said that they asked for an extra chunk of airtime eating in to George Hooks show and when it wasn't given , they jumped. I can only speak from personal experience and I've yet to meet a PD who'd put up with an ultimatum like that.

    Everyone is replaceable on some level and PDs in other stations would think twice before they'd put up with that from any talent.

    Headhunted - I doubt it as they had little to no competition out there except from a couple of efforts from 2fm .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭IRE60


    One thing that did cross my mind regarding the en masse exit (and I am only surmising).

    A few broadcasters on the commercial scene are paid X dollars for a two year contract. If, in isolation, you saw the figure you’d be taken aback. However, while the cash seems high, if you dig into their contract you find it different.

    They "own" the slot (two hours) and then it’s up to the broadcaster to hire a producer, researcher etc – all out of that contract money. The latter two are ‘employed’ by the broadcasters company – not the station itself.

    I wonder if there was the same type of set-up in OTB – once one was gone, then the others were too as their company was gone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    The next set of radio ratings will make interesting reading. Wouldn't be surprised if there were little more than statistical error when the numbers are seen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    IRE60 wrote: »
    One thing that did cross my mind regarding the en masse exit (and I am only surmising).

    A few broadcasters on the commercial scene are paid X dollars for a two year contract. If, in isolation, you saw the figure you’d be taken aback. However, while the cash seems high, if you dig into their contract you find it different.

    They "own" the slot (two hours) and then it’s up to the broadcaster to hire a producer, researcher etc – all out of that contract money. The latter two are ‘employed’ by the broadcasters company – not the station itself.

    I wonder if there was the same type of set-up in OTB – once one was gone, then the others were too as their company was gone?

    i agree, mentioned this a few pages back. it is the situation the got the public in the UK pissed off with jonathan ross when they saw how much the BBC were paying him a few years ago, but that was to his production company which employed a hell of a lot of people for his shows.

    it's the only thing that would explain why the producers would leave too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭The Guardian


    not sure thats relevant here but cant confirm at this stage
    my suspicion is that the five lads had no more than a gentlemans agreement between them, and a 'loyalty' to one another
    a rare feat these days
    equally honourable and stupid imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭popebenny16


    so no US murph or Ritchie last night?? They did a riviting 15 mins on us Baseball cards as the United game started? right.

    will miss the show. guess I will have to interact with the family every evening now :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭robbe


    Hi,

    Interesting reading this thread - have listened to OTB from the Ger Gilroy days right up to now and was disappointed when the lads left en masse. The show had evolved from Gilroy's days, certainly when I listened to some of the Monday night show it felt like a time warp - I don't mind Ger Gilroy but I found the show flat and not particularly entertaining. I hope the lads turn up somewhere else soon - only thing to strike a wrong note for me was their reference in the statement released to the 'product'....

    My suggestion to liven OTB up would be to bring Shane Coleman on board. He's not on NT nearly enough these days what with the breakfast show gig gone. What NT needs is more uninformed 'I dont know what I am talking about but it won't stop me from giving an opinion' banter. Much the same way as he contributes to the bar stool meanderings on the Right Hook on a Friday or when he displays his patent lack of film knowledge if he does the film slot with Philip Molloy (likes Les Mis and hated Breaking Bad - jesus wept).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Meathlass


    GSF wrote: »
    You are one of the 6,000 women in the entire country who do listen to Off The Ball. To put things into perspective!

    I always knew I was special! So bored in the evenings now without Murphy's dulcet tones.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭styron


    Meathlass wrote: »
    I always knew I was special! So bored in the evenings now without Murphy's dulcet tones.

    A bit of a climbdown from The Vortex I know ... but there's always the Copper's option :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    http://backpagefootball.com/off-the-ball-in-memoriam/54818/

    Oh dear
    I awoke Tuesday morning to a feeling of emptiness. A sense of confusion eased only temporarily by the faint, despairing hope that it had all been a dream. Crushingly – it hadn’t.

    Late on Monday afternoon, news began to break that the Off The Ball sports radio show that many of us (33,000 men, 6,000 women according to official Newstalk released figures) knew and loved was to continue no more in its current form. Following 18 months of discussion over how best to further develop the show, including plans to move to an earlier slot, “fundamental differences” developed between station bosses and the show’s crew, and with management refusing to bend, Eoin McDevitt, Ken Early, Ciaran Murphy, Simon Hick and Mark Horgan chose to part ways with the national broadcaster.

    There are, according to the Kübler-Ross model, five distinct stages of grief. Between 5pm and 11pm on Monday evening I suffered manfully through three of them – acute Denial (“This can’t be happening, this is one of Murph’s terrible jokes gone too far”), histrionic Bargaining (“I’ll do anything just to hear one more episode of Country Pages or a gag about Posh Boy’s affluent upbringing”), soul-destroying Depression (“What’s the point of anything anymore? I can’t live with the prospect of a life without Ken’s dulcet tones set over Herbie Hancock’s unique brand of electro-funk ”) . Two remain, yet I am committed to fulfilling only one – on the way to finally achieving acceptance, I wish to bypass anger.

    It is an oft peddled, and so far to be incorrectly-proven cliché that all good things must come to an end. Over the course of the past five years since I have been regularly (oftentimes religiously) tuning into OTB my mind occasionally wandered to a point where I found myself confronting the inevitability that one day, the show will be no more. Much like the unpreventable passing of a loved one, the conscious/sub-conscious mind does not like to dwell on such tormenting thoughts however, and I never got far in theorising how it might all one day break down. Now that it has occurred, I am determined not to lament the many ways in which my weekday evenings are emptier but instead, feel privileged that I was able to enjoy what was for many Ireland’s greatest ever radio show.

    OTB was more than a radio show. Originally conceived in 2002, it grew into a pseudo-community for like-minded souls, a refuge from a world where sports reporting is tired, lazy and bursting to the seems with ex-pros fresh out of broadcasting courses and determined to extract ounce of value of what they paid by repeating ad-nauseum as many sporting clichés as they possibly can before the camera or mic is removed from them. OTB was a very basic concept – report sports news informatively, yet innovatively. The crew knew what was important and when, and were brazenly unfazed at the idea of filling the spaces in between with often ridiculous soundbites and completely off-topic ramblings.

    It is wholly understandable that casual radio listeners may have tuned in at various times over their three hour slot and wondered if a completely different show was on the air each time. Heated debates with revered sports stars and journalists and regular slots with some of the worlds best sports reporters were interspersed with the mocking of rural newspapers, “prank” phone calls to Welsh rugby shows and contrived stories about one of the presenter’s past experiences as a trialist with Marseilles.

    To some (mostly infrequent listeners) this bothered them. To others, as the countless testimonies flooding into their social media pages attest, this was exactly what they never realised they’d needed. OTB was a show you just liked hanging out with – a best friend that you could spend all day with and trust in equal measure to partake in nonsensical drunken adventures, yet sober up completely once a situation called for it. To give a flavour of this, within five weeks of deservedly earning worldwide acclaim for their determined and consistently excellent reporting of the Lance Armstrong doping case, full segments of the same show were being spent discussing the troubles of Richard Sadlier’s ageing, constipated, epileptic Victorian Bulldog. This was like nothing any of us had known before, nor likely what we may come to know in the future. It was ridiculous. It was sublime.

    In a way, there is something beautiful about how OTB (as it was) has ended. A show dedicated to reporting on the wonderful world of sports has gone out in its prime like so many of its colourful past heroes – Eric Cantona, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Bjorn Borg to name but a few. Of course, OTB as a brand continues in its regular slots under the direction and presentation of Ger Gilroy, its founding father all those moons ago. Personally I have no problem with Gilroy, he is a composed, educated and informed presenter, yet it just isn’t the same. Gilroy is steady in the same way a retired ex-teacher used come back to substitute your secondary school classes. He knows what he’s doing, and he commands respect, but those listening to him know something just isn’t right, and the attention isn’t there.

    Focus now turns to how “the lads” will next appear and as much as it pains me to say it, I hope it is away from radio. The concept has been done, perfected. In whatever way it could come back over the airwaves, it could never be the same – the momentum has gone. The keener sports fans among you will notice that many of the afore-mentioned athletes attempted a comeback, and in no case did it result in their reputation coming out the better for it. What is for certain, is that there is real talent within the quintet and I hope they can continue the trajectory of their careers in an upward fashion. In my view opportunities for real change are available in Irish media. McDevitt is a gifted broadcaster and I would hope that he can find a deserved spot on mainstream television, perhaps with Ken involved too. A Sky Sports styled revamp of RTE Sport certainly wouldn’t be amiss and with Herlihy, Dunphy, Giles et al owing the nation nothing perhaps the winds of change could sweep through Montrose? I just hope I don’t one day have to see Murph gormlessly begging for chips outside the Harcourt Diner whilst telling anyone who’ll listen that Sile Seoige once fancied him…again.

    RIP OTB.

    Oh very dear me.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,230 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Alan Matthews being on last night reminded me of the time they had him reporting from from a Shamrock Rovers Europa League game, Rovers were being hammered, he sounded so downbeat and depressed that they then replayed his report with Radiohead playing in the background :pac:

    They definitely will be missed, I like Gilroy but it'll never be the same again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Oh dear
    gimmick wrote: »
    Thoroughly enjoyed last nights show. The changeover has been utterly seemless. The lads have stepped in and played a blinder. I would imagine this time next week this whole debacle will be completely forgotten about.

    Oh very dear me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭styron


    gimmick wrote: »

    Dear me indeed.

    Hate to be the "bearer" of bad tidings Gimmick, but no doubt for you one of the true greats from the pantheon of WWF/WWC sporting excellence - Paul Bearer - has just passed to the other side (for real).

    tumblr_ljg2qrsK3q1qbj2hso1_250.jpg



    On the upside, with the current state of OTB - not only are you certain of your text being read out ... if you play your cards right ... you might get the obit interview with Ger for a good half hour at the very least!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭opinionatedfan


    gimmick wrote: »
    Thoroughly enjoyed last nights show. The changeover has been utterly seemless. The lads have stepped in and played a blinder. I would imagine this time next week this whole debacle will be completely forgotten about.

    you are a terrible troll


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    Quite possible at this stage they've nothing lined up. They won't get a 4 hour slot on RTE. 5 to 7 is still primetime radio and that won't change.

    McDevitt will be able to go to any radio or television station and name his price. I actually think that RTE could use him as a replacement for Bill O'Herlihy in the long term.

    However, I'm not so sure about Ken, Murph or Poshboy Hicks. RTE have no need for Ken or Simon. Call him what you like but murph is only a sidekick.

    We might hear from Eoin and Murph soon enough but the rest of the crew may have been short sighted in their decision.

    Does anyone else think that one of the great things about the show was the time it was on? 7 to 10. I thought it was a great time. All the serious crap is over. Coincides with the football when it's on.

    I think the proposal to change the time was flawed. I think the lads misjudged it. It was to increase revenue it would've been done already.


    I think saying McDevitt could walk into any station and name his price is a bit silly really, the guys will be hot property for as a few weeks until they finish a "gardening leave" period with the company, but I think McDevitt would need to work on his presentation skills a lot before moving on to TV full time.

    Mark Horgan is a very good producer though, he will get a gig with some station but whether that means other 4 will follow or whether he can even produce good programming on his own in a new environment is to be seen?

    In reality Murph Simon and Mark are producer's I dunno if any show will need 3 in the future?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭quad_red




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    quad_red wrote: »

    Well that's certainly a different story to the official version anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Quad - can you get a shot of the first part of the article??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭GSF


    Well that's certainly a different story to the official version anyway.
    not really. still says much the same whether it came from O'Brien himself or some one else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    I was thinking about this during the week, and one positive thing stood out. We won't have to hear that attention seeking idiot Colm Parkinson with his "controversial" comments anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭trebormurf


    Why not?? Of course that clown will be on, if anything he's on it more at the weekends when Ger is presenting. D'lads are gone but the show is still on 7-10 each night! The Late Late Show didn't end when Aunty Gaybo left, Glenroe continued after Biddy's death...The Kings are dead, long live the King!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    trebormurf wrote: »
    The Late Late Show didn't end when Aunty Gaybo left, Glenroe continued after Biddy's death...

    True...

    But both of those examples got (and, in the case of the LLS, are getting) increasingly awful after those departures...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    True...

    But both of those examples got (and, in the case of the LLS, are getting) increasingly awful after those departures...

    going by your username, i'm skeptical of your knowledge of Glenroe!

    so they were fired really? i for one can't wait for the gardening leave to be over, the lads should let everything out on twitter.

    i was thinking earlier, that Colm Parkinson would be on more in the next while anyway, when the GAA gets going. he'd be as dividing on it as Ken is on soccer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    going by your username, i'm skeptical of your knowledge of Glenroe!

    I'll have you know I vividly remember the night Biddy got hit by that tractor!

    I'm not that young like. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    I'll have you know I vividly remember the night Biddy got hit by that tractor!

    I'm not that young like. :P

    my apologies! i just hate it that there are adults about these days who don't remember italia 90!
    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    gimmick wrote: »
    Thoroughly enjoyed last nights show. The changeover has been utterly seemless. The lads have stepped in and played a blinder. I would imagine this time next week this whole debacle will be completely forgotten about.

    Is that you Ger?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Is that you Ger?:D


    If Ger shaves his chest, likes looking at men in leotards or speedos, than yes it is.

    Too much filler on the show last night :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    they are smart lads, no doubt they wouldn't have made this move unless they had nothing to lose RTE will welcome them with open arms Newstalk has been un-tuned from my radio


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