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Atheist Cafe/Cafe Bar

  • 05-03-2013 8:04pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 47


    I am playing with the idea of opening an Atheist Themed cafe/cafe bar in the Dublin City Centre area... Essentially it's just a novelty theme, idolizing the false god's of Hitchen's etc :P But I was just wondering if it could potentially not pay off as the niche is quite small, and the isolation of theists is quite a dramatically large demographic to be cutting out!

    Any thoughts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    If you serve food, you have to have flying spaghetti monster bolognese.

    (Ateaist Café)


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    I hadn't even thought so far ahead as to give the dishes funny atheist jargony names :P haha Totally gonna have that, and also maybe the "intelligently designed sandwhich" :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    And you could serve tea from Russell's teapot


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    no, just no


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    Any reason in particular? Fingers crossed it's not for religious reasons! :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    I doubt there is a large enough market for strictly atheist cafe to be sustainable. People tend not to travel far for a cafe so you really want to appeal to as broad a section as possible of the local catchment area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    Yeah! That was my thinking... Just to be clear- all religions, beliefes, non-beliefs, secularists, agnostics etc. would be more than welcome :) It would just be the novelty- perhaps, reasonable and logical thinkers would be a better idea :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭Liamario


    Hitchen's Kitchen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Dead baby burgers...

    Angel Tear soufflé?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Don't advertise it as atheist. Just have religious themed dishes that point out certain silliness, like a bacon sammich called "The Kosher", or if you're serving fish, call it a capybara.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Will it have a sealed box with Beware of the Cat written on it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I'll be honest; it would be fun, but I don't think it will fly. Too many people would think

    (a) that it might be serious. (Would you go to a "Christian cafe"? No? Well, a lot of people who would be slow to go to a Christian cafe would be equally slow to go to an Atheist Cafe, and for the same reason.)

    (b) that it's a joke, but perhaps an embittered and embarrassing one. Trumpeting too much about what you don;t believe, what you reject, even when done in jest can point to a chip on your shoulder. I'm not saying that would be the case, but I think prospective customers would be put off by the thought that it might be.

    If you were going to to this, I wouldn't present it as an atheist enterprise, but as something like a rationalist one (The Cafe of Pure Reason?).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    There's a creepy Christian cafe in Galway that seems to be doing just fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Sarky wrote: »
    There's a creepy Christian cafe in Galway that seems to be doing just fine.
    Possibly. On the other hand, some Christians are happy to sustain loss-making enterprises, or enterprises providing a below-market return, as a form of witness. Unless EmmettInc has an atheist sugardaddy (or unless EmmettInc is an atheist sugardaddy) this may not be an option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Don't see this working to be honest. It'd be fun alright, but not really necessary. That said, you could always do a science themed one I'm sure that would be cool and definitely novel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    Jernal wrote: »
    Don't see this working to be honest. It'd be fun alright, but not really necessary. That said, you could always do a science themed one I'm sure that would be cool and definitely novel.

    There's a cafe in the science gallery, probably fills that niche.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    The "theme" of the cafe isn't that important.

    I don't care if my coffee is made using holy water. If it's good coffee, I'm buying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭Just Like Heaven


    Could be fun. But as said earlier don't advertise it as an atheist cafe. Those 'hipster' cafes that are basically just wall to wall with trinkets often have loads of religious bits and bobs and it's cool enough.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    What about "The Infi-Deli"?

    Would like to see a "Comfort Split" with banana ice-cream.

    243887.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    In Dublin? Don't you have to make some sort of Faustian deal to get affordable commercial rent in Dublin? I mean sure you can get a small premises off the beaten track for a little less but footfall... Footfall... ... great now I'm singing the skyfall theme with the word footfall.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    I'm not sure if the inevitable protests outside your front door by 'offended' loonies would be good or bad for business


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    iDave wrote: »
    I'm not sure if the inevitable protests outside your front door by 'offended' loonies would be good or bad for business

    good, anything that offends religious nutters is by default brilliant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Sarky wrote: »
    Don't advertise it as atheist. Just have religious themed dishes that point out certain silliness, like a bacon sammich called "The Kosher", or if you're serving fish, call it a capybara.

    I have bacon on order and arriving tonight with a friend from Ireland because I have a friend arriving from Tel Aviv in 2 weeks and she loooooves a bacon sammich!

    Yes, I am an international bacon smuggler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    kiffer wrote: »
    footfall... Footfall... ... great now I'm singing the skyfall theme with the word footfall.

    Let the footbow
    When it crumbow
    We will stand toe-oo-oh
    Face it oow
    together


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    Yeah but there are a lot of creepy christians :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    krudler wrote: »
    good, anything that offends religious nutters is by default brilliant.

    no such thing as bad publicity.... Right? Although inevitably there would be efforts made to tarnish the actually reputation ie. quality , service etc


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    You know how some people refuse to buy coffee from Starbucks because they find it all a bit pretentious and generally just for gee bags?

    Yeah, this is like that, but worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    robindch wrote: »
    What about "The Infi-Deli"?

    Would like to see a "Comfort Split" with banana ice-cream.

    243887.jpg

    Where abouts this place based?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    You could always open a science themed cafe and just fill it with atheist undertones - pictures of Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan etc.

    I would say that's a better bet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Possibly. On the other hand, some Christians are happy to sustain loss-making enterprises, or enterprises providing a below-market return, as a form of witness. Unless EmmettInc has an atheist sugardaddy (or unless EmmettInc is an atheist sugardaddy) this may not be an option.

    Unfortunately all my sugardaddy's are Catholics, and devout at that... :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    All the following names are spelled phonetically, to maximize their IMPACT!! :D

    The Rashunall - the rational

    The Scientifique - the scientific

    The Laube - the Lab

    The Pea Tree Dish or The P (to the power of) 3 Dish - The Petri Dish

    Thoughts, suggestions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,814 ✭✭✭TPD


    robindch wrote: »
    What about "The Infi-Deli"?

    Would like to see a "Comfort Split" with banana ice-cream.

    Apple Pie
    Made from scratch. Please allow ~13.7 billion years for preparation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Sarky wrote: »
    There's a creepy Christian cafe in Galway that seems to be doing just fine.
    Tobar?

    I went there at least 10 times before I realised it was a Christian café. It's not particularly obvious apart from a few trinkets on the walls. They're really cheap and the food is decent enough, I'd say they get a lot of schoolkids.

    I also listened to Spirit Fm for an embarrassing amount of time, thinking 2fm were doing a Father's Day theme because all the songs were about people's dads.

    OP, I wouldn't open a café that was explicitly atheist, it's too narrow a market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    EmmettInc wrote: »
    All the following names are spelled phonetically, to maximize their IMPACT!! :D

    The Rashunall - the rational

    The Scientifique - the scientific

    The Laube - the Lab

    The Pea Tree Dish or The P (to the power of) 3 Dish - The Petri Dish

    Thoughts, suggestions?

    I'd just go for "The Science Cafe". It's 100% unambiguous. Put a emphasis on science, education, environment which is as close to enlightened atheism as you get without the negative undertones.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    243954.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    I'll have the Stephen Fries with some Rand dressing.

    Warming to this idea, OP!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I'll have the Stephen Fries with some Rand dressing.
    Chips + vinegar = yuk!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    At least 84% of the Irish population disagreed with you in the last census.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    ninja900 wrote: »
    At least 84% of the Irish population disagreed with you in the last census.

    SO 16% do not identify with any religion? Thats not a bad sized niche... Hipster market is definitely smaller than that!:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    EmmettInc wrote: »
    SO 16% do not identify with any religion? Thats not a bad sized niche... Hipster market is definitely smaller than that!:P
    Actually, no. If you add together the "no religion", "atheist" and "agnostic" groups, plus all those who simply didn't answer the question, it comes to 7.6%. Ninja900's 84% figure refers to Catholics; you have to account for other Christians (6.3%) and non-Christian religions (1.9%) as well.

    Still, 7.6% is a reasonable cohort - 350,000 people. The big question is, do their theological views determine their dining preferences?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 47 EmmettInc


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Actually, no. If you add together the "no religion", "atheist" and "agnostic" groups, plus all those who simply didn't answer the question, it comes to 7.6%. Ninja900's 84% figure refers to Catholics; you have to account for other Christians (6.3%) and non-Christian religions (1.9%) as well.

    Still, 7.6% is a reasonable cohort - 350,000 people. The big question is, do their theological views determine their dining preferences?

    Ah got ya, scary to think that if you're not considered christian, you just fall ino the category of pagan :P

    it's still a nice chunk, but the dispersal nationwide would probably be an issue, and also you have the whole do i really care that much about where i eat as long as its good factor!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Darwins used to be a good spot last time I was there. Not really in your face but thematic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    EmmettInc wrote: »
    SO 16% do not identify with any religion? Thats not a bad sized niche... Hipster market is definitely smaller than that!:P

    I was addressing Robindch's heretical views on chips and vinegar actually!

    84% = the ludicrously large number of people in Ireland claiming to be catholics (or whose mammies fill in the form for them, or who think that once you're baptised you're a catholic forever, etc. etc.)

    Now - just thought of a name... wait for it...



    'The Skeptic Tank' ;)

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Now - just thought of a name... wait for it...



    'The Skeptic Tank' ;)
    I am so not eating there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Now - just thought of a name... wait for it...



    'The Skeptic Tank' ;)

    Don't tell Phil Hogan about this. :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    Serve fish & chips on a cross-shaped plate and call it The Cod Delusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Mmm Sacrilicious.

    You need to have a sign up saying 0% Horse Beef in our burgers, 0% Jewish Carpenter Blood in our Wine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Mmm Sacrilicious.

    You need to have a sign up saying 0% Horse Beef in our burgers, 0% Jewish Carpenter Blood in our Wine.
    A skeptic shouldn't make claims which aren't sustained by evidence!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    No. Things like this just give right-wingers something to else moan about.

    Don't know why anybody would got to it either if it's not local to them. People go to Cafe's/Cafe Bars for the quality of service not based on whether or not there religious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    "There's probably no horse.
    Now stop worrying and enjoy your meal"


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