Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 02:01AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Never mentioned anything like that, you must know something?
at.

I never said you did I merely quoted your post to show what's going on this new club nonsense is just that nonsense. I fail to see how people who seem intelligent can't grasp the simple fact that Green purchased assets from the old holding company and transferred them across to the new holding company before the old one was liquidated making it a perfectly legal business transaction. And before anyone starts about people not being paid this happens in all walk of business on a daily basis it's not nice and it is a loophole that should be shut how they would acomplish it I do not know though

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 10:15AM

New shirt sponsor for next year is Blackthorn Cider only a one year deal which seems the sensible way to go and hopefully new deals will be done as we climb the leagues

http://announce.ft.com/Detail?DocKey=1323-11504442-1H7HGRQVOUDFQMETE6ICP00J13

Brewster · 01-03-2013 10:34AM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Lol, I genuinely love it when I see brewstirrers name pop up. Glad you worked out how to post in your own clubs thread. Regarding today's ruling, I'm amazed that the ebts were ruled not to have given rangers an advantage on the pitch, I'll have to read it fully when I get a chance.

On a different note I was doing an accounting theory question yesterday which involved accounting for bad debts from a mr Murray mr whyte and mr green. Maybe CAI know more about green than we do.

You might be laughing out loud, but your laugh isn't as loud as mine just now! I can assure you of this! I posted here so the issues could be addressed rather than being side tracked by the "so called" correct thread debate! On a point of clarification, I don't have a club. I am not a football fan. I had a passing interest in Scottish football which has all but ended due to a number of circumstances. The context of my post is clearly historic, yesterday's ruling vindicates the views I took at the time and many many Celtic fans have been made to look very silly. I am simply here to do what any self respecting person would do, to highlight the flawed judgement of many Celtic supporters.

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 12:10PM

Brewster wrote: »

I am simply here to do what any self respecting person would do, to highlight the flawed judgement of many Celtic supporters.

Wow, just wow. You dont have hold a high opinion of yourself do you?

So now you freely admit the reason for your presence here?

Brewster · 01-03-2013 12:57PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Wow, just wow. You dont have hold a high opinion of yourself do you?

So now you freely admit the reason for your presence here?

I'm not lacking in confidence Coillte, I will admit this. We spent a good while debating the issues and you personally got caught up in the accusations of me not getting it in relation to allegations of cheating by Rangers etc etc.. I believe the debate was never rationale and was blinded by hatred. My stance has been vindicated and I'm perfectly entitled to point this out... I got a terribly hard time on these forums you must appreciate..It was wrong.

blahfckingblah · 01-03-2013 02:15PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Did I say anything about your absence? I prefer life without bitterness

i dont believe i said anything bitter either.. god you lot are still tetchy

Jelle1880 · 01-03-2013 03:19PM

Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug
Neil Lennon seems unhappy at #Rangers commission verdict. More to follow #BBCSport

Alison Robbie ‏@AlisonRobbie
Neil Lennon has his say commission verdict on #Rangers: "they were found guilty" "am i surprised at that? No"More on @RadioClydeNews

Alison Robbie‏@AlisonRobbie

Neil Lennon says he has his own views on whether #Rangers gained competitive advantage, but "will save that for another time"

"Celtic manager Neil Lennon also answered a question on whether he thought Rangers had gained a competitive advantage from undisclosed payments: "I have my own views on that, but I will save that for another time."

Lennonist · 01-03-2013 03:37PM

Lenny is right, of course Rangers gained a competitive advantage from undisclosed payments. Rangers would not have been able to afford the calibre of players they had on their books at the time if they didn't cook the books, and consequently that would have impacted on the quality of their team. The independent report saying otherwise makes no logical sense. I guess they just want to bring the saga to a close, because everyone is sick of it at this stage. It's a bad precedent to set, but I guess Rangers or the new "The Rangers" have received their comeuppance via having to start again in the bottom tier.

Hopefully "The Rangers" will have learned lessons from the travails of oldco and will operate in a remotely economically ethical fashion from now on. Lenny shouldn't be surprised by this verdict and I'm sure he wont lose sleep either, he's got bigger fish to fry. He wont have to worry about "The Rangers" for a few years yet. What a tragic/comedy melodrama and mess they created for themselves and the rep of Scottish football.

bobmalooka · 01-03-2013 03:40PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Dear Celtic fans,

Read the report.
Then try and come back with this new club crap so we can separate the bitter ones from the decent ones.

Regards.

The display at Berwick put that argument to bed, rangers then now and forever I think is the phrase ye like.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 03:45PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Lenny is right, of course Rangers gained a competitive advantage from undisclosed payments. Rangers would not have been able to afford the calibre of players they had on their books at the time if they didn't cook the books, and consequently that would have impacted on the quality of their team. The independent report saying otherwise makes no logical sense. I guess they just want to bring the saga to a close, because everyone is sick of it at this stage. It's a bad precedent to set, but I guess Rangers or the new "The Rangers" have received their comeuppance via having to start again in the bottom tier.

Hopefully "The Rangers" will have learned lessons from the travails of oldco and will operate in a remotely economically ethical fashion from now on. Lenny shouldn't be surprised by this verdict and I'm sure he wont lose sleep either, he's got bigger fish to fry. He wont have to worry about "The Rangers" for a few years yet. What a tragic/comedy melodrama and mess they created for themselves and the rep of Scottish football.

What a lot of crap Rangers were found guilty of an Admin error. The findings state clearly that no advantage was gained on the park. It really beggars belief why an independent commission that every tic fan I know said would do the right thing and see justice served and guess what when the decision does not go there way the wailing and gnashing of teeth starts with Lennon at the forefront.
I can't believe some of the conspiracy theories I am reading and hearing it truly is amazing.
Oh and as a matter of interest you do know that they have also said in their findings that it is the same football club with different holding companies.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 03:47PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

The display at Berwick put that argument to bed, rangers then now and forever I think is the phrase ye like.

Oh so a few hundred muppets sing nasty songs and we are forever bad again. Short memory about your trouble at Dundee

Bitter bitter bitter

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blahfckingblah · 01-03-2013 03:49PM

haha nice attack on Neil Lennon who has pretty much been silent for the last 6 months on you lot dispite being asked in almost every interview... i suppose it was all just a mad conspiracy between him lawwell and the sfa

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 03:51PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

haha nice attack on Neil Lennon who has pretty much been silent for the last 6 months on you lot dispite being asked in almost every interview... i suppose it was all just a mad conspiracy between him lawwell and the sfa

Nah your the lot that go on about conspiracies.

Jelle1880 · 01-03-2013 03:52PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Lenny is right, of course Rangers gained a competitive advantage from undisclosed payments. Rangers would not have been able to afford the calibre of players they had on their books at the time if they didn't cook the books, and consequently that would have impacted on the quality of their team. The independent report saying otherwise makes no logical sense. I guess they just want to bring the saga to a close, because everyone is sick of it at this stage. It's a bad precedent to set, but I guess Rangers or the new "The Rangers" have received their comeuppance via having to start again in the bottom tier.

Hopefully "The Rangers" will have learned lessons from the travails of oldco and will operate in a remotely economically ethical fashion from now on. Lenny shouldn't be surprised by this verdict and I'm sure he wont lose sleep either, he's got bigger fish to fry. He wont have to worry about "The Rangers" for a few years yet. What a tragic/comedy melodrama and mess they created for themselves and the rep of Scottish football.

Brothe... I mean Lord Nimmo Smith clearly said Rangers gained no competitive advantage on the pitch.

And as for 'being silent for the last 6 months', get real.
He's not forced to answer questions about Rangers, is he ?

Lennonist · 01-03-2013 03:58PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

What a lot of crap Rangers were found guilty of an Admin error. The findings state clearly that no advantage was gained on the park. It really beggars belief why an independent commission that every tic fan I know said would do the right thing and see justice served and guess what when the decision does not go there way the wailing and gnashing of teeth starts with Lennon at the forefront.
I can't believe some of the conspiracy theories I am reading and hearing it truly is amazing.
Oh and as a matter of interest you do know that they have also said in their findings that it is the same football club with different holding companies.

No conspiracy theories, I just reckon the independent inquiry just wanted to bring the whole joke of a saga to an end and there was a bit of a "sweep, sweep" involved in order to do that. Seeing some Rangers fans around here celebrating the findings and verdict is a bit sad to be honest. Time to move on I suppose - sweep,sweep - see ye in a few years maybe.

Lennonist · 01-03-2013 04:06PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Brothe... I mean Lord Nimmo Smith clearly said Rangers gained no competitive advantage on the pitch.

You don't really buy that do you - although I know you wont admit to it. Everyone knows that's just a whitewash comment to try to bring an end to the running joke of this whole saga. It had to end sometime I suppose, though one hopes that lessons will have been learned.

PauloMN · 01-03-2013 04:07PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Nah your the lot that go on about conspiracies.

Eirebear wrote: »

Look over your shoulders, because lawell never managed to kill us, despite help from his familiars.

:rolleyes:

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 04:10PM

Lennonist wrote: »

You don't really buy that do you - although I know you wont admit to it. Everyone knows that's just a whitewash comment to try to bring an end to the running joke of this whole saga. It had to end sometime I suppose, though one hopes that lessons will have been learned.

Really if you believe it was said to bring things to an end you should get your medication seen to

LOL you can sweep sweep all you want aye feel your pain same old Celtic never defeated always cheated

Eirebear · 01-03-2013 04:30PM

Lennonist wrote: »

You don't really buy that do you - although I know you wont admit to it. Everyone knows that's just a whitewash comment to try to bring an end to the running joke of this whole saga. It had to end sometime I suppose, though one hopes that lessons will have been learned.

Ah yes, all that time money and effort was spent in order to "whitewash" the whole scenario.

Lennonist · 01-03-2013 04:48PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really if you believe it was said to bring things to an end you should get your medication seen to

LOL you can sweep sweep all you want aye feel your pain same old Celtic never defeated always cheated

I feel your pain:D, sure there's been little or no pain for Celtic in this saga. Sack, cloth and ashes and a long road to the summit of Scottish football has been the ultimate tale of this sorry saga for your former/new club ...whatever.:pac:

Lennonist · 01-03-2013 04:50PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Ah yes, all that time money and effort was spent in order to "whitewash" the whole scenario.

It wouldn't be the first time a rake of money was spent on a "whitewash", it may have been expedient to arrive at this conclusion.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 05:08PM

Lennonist wrote: »

I feel your pain:D, sure there's been little or no pain for Celtic in this saga. Sack, cloth and ashes and a long road to the summit of Scottish football has been the ultimate tale of this sorry saga for your former/new club ...whatever.:pac:

Tell me if there is little or no pain for you as a tic fan why is it your on here trying to tell people it was a whitewash. As I said until that verdict Nimmo and cohorts were paragons of virtue to most tic fans. That is until the verdict did not go their way. You said money has been spent before on a whitewash thats true but this time I don't know if the SPL can afford the 500,000 pounds thats been mentioned.

Peppa Pig · 01-03-2013 05:11PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Rangers were found guilty of an Admin error.

Now, that's stretching it a lot. The exact wording from the report is

report wrote:

senior management decided that such side-letter arrangements should not be disclosed to the football authorities, and the Board of Directors sanctioned the
making of payments under the side-letter arrangements without taking any legal or accountancy advice to justify the non-disclosure;

report wrote:

the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed;

An error is where somebody forgets to do something or is unaware of having to do something. That report says that Rangers consciously decided not to disclose the side letters and the board of directors went along with it.
From the second quote it looks to me that Smith found Rangers guilty and it needed a substantial penalty.

If Rangers fans want to feel vindicated and celebrate a victory then they are fully allowed to do so. But for a lot of people it's similar to the OJ Simpson verdict.

Jelle1880 · 01-03-2013 05:24PM

Lennonist wrote: »

I feel your pain:D, sure there's been little or no pain for Celtic in this saga. Sack, cloth and ashes and a long road to the summit of Scottish football has been the ultimate tale of this sorry saga for your former/new club ...whatever.:pac:

You're having a laugh.

If there has been no pain, why have Celtic fans acted like such whiny little kids in all of this ?

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 05:31PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Look over your shoulders, because lawell never managed to kill us, despite help from his familiars.

Seriously what is this nonsense supposed to mean??? Id really like t know coming from someone who accuses celtic fans of being conspiracy theorists??

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And as for 'being silent for the last 6 months', get real.
He's not forced to answer questions about Rangers, is he ?

No but he's entitled to his opinion surely?? i thought he handle himself very well during the whole saga despite being continually pressed on it. And now he is certainly not leading a wailing, gnashing ob as bbe seems to suggest.

blahfckingblah · 01-03-2013 05:36PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You're having a laugh.

If there has been no pain, why have Celtic fans acted like such whiny little kids in all of this ?

jelly ice, cream, top of the league and champions league,,, it is tough being a celtic fan this year

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 05:38PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

LOL what a load of nonsense really can you just not accept an independent inquiry which we were told was going to hand out justice but its amazing what happens when it doesn't suit certain factions. Given the guy representing the SPL works for a company with close links to Celtic one could be wondering where the impartial part of the whole thing was.

What?? i presume your on the wind up or else your knowledge of how the legal world works is rather strange.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 05:38PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Now, that's stretching it a lot. The exact wording from the report is

An error is where somebody forgets to do something or is unaware of having to do something. That report says that Rangers consciously decided not to disclose the side letters and the board of directors went along with it.
From the second quote it looks to me that Smith found Rangers guilty and it needed a substantial penalty.

If Rangers fans want to feel vindicated and celebrate a victory then they are fully allowed to do so. But for a lot of people it's similar to the OJ Simpson verdict.

And amazingly that verdict was given even when the commission admitted that Rangers broke no SPL/SFA rules but disclosure rules which is a get out as they also admit the payments were in the accounts

(5) Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in
breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the
disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed;

Really you are trying to align what happened at Rangers with murder. Really I have heard it all now

Brewster · 01-03-2013 05:38PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Now, that's stretching it a lot. The exact wording from the report is

An error is where somebody forgets to do something or is unaware of having to do something. That report says that Rangers consciously decided not to disclose the side letters and the board of directors went along with it.
From the second quote it looks to me that Smith found Rangers guilty and it needed a substantial penalty.

If Rangers fans want to feel vindicated and celebrate a victory then they are fully allowed to do so. But for a lot of people it's similar to the OJ Simpson verdict.

As the money paid into the EBTs were loans, Rangers believed they did not have to declare them to the authorities. The Commission said they should have declared them and Rangers were guilty and fined accordingly. This is not the key issue, at no stage did Rangers play an ineligible player hence they never got a sporting advantage. It is very easy to understand if you look at it in an impartial way.

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 05:41PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You're having a laugh.

If there has been no pain, why have Celtic fans acted like such whiny little kids in all of this ?

Someone disagrees you and they are whiny little kids eh?? Oh dear.

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