Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

ColeTrain · 28-02-2013 09:23PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

It might even be interesting if the SPL/SFA decided to take a good look into the running of the other clubs in it as no one would want something untoward to come out in the years to come. I am sure the clubs wouldn't mind

As long they're paying their taxes and other utility bills then why bother? EBT's are grand sure.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 09:28PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

As long they're paying their taxes and other utility bills then why bother? EBT's are grand sure.

But you never know what mistakes they may be making as for EBT's did the club get found not guilty by a 2-1 majority. Sorry that stick is not much good for beating us with anymore. Nor after today is the threats that were being bandied about that we were going to lose so many titles and maybe some Scottish cups.
The independent inquiry reached their decision and that is that.
Hopefully we can now get back to the important thing The football

ColeTrain · 28-02-2013 09:35PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

But you never know what mistakes they may be making as for EBT's did the club get found not guilty by a 2-1 majority. Sorry that stick is not much good for beating us with anymore. Nor after today is the threats that were being bandied about that we were going to lose so many titles and maybe some Scottish cups.
The independent inquiry reached their decision and that is that.
Hopefully we can now get back to the important thing The football

The titles went to the grave with the old company and weren't dug up today, so to speak. That's how I read it.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 09:43PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

The titles went to the grave with the old company and weren't dug up today, so to speak. That's how I read it.

Well I know I will never get you to change your mind but thats not of any importance but read this taken from the findings of the inquiry

[14] Written reasons were indeed made available, and we refer to them for their terms. They
set out, in more detail than is required here, the events preceding the preliminary hearing. They
also give reasons for disposal of certain of the preliminary issues which are no longer live. We
decided, in brief, that:
(1) While it was a member of the SPL Oldco was contractually bound to the SPL (and the
other members) to comply with its Rules, and was liable to sanctions as provided by the
Rules in the event of a breach;
(2) It remained so liable even after it had ceased to be a member of the SPL;
(3) Rangers FC was liable to sanctions as provided by the Rules in the event of a breach
while it was owned and operated by Oldco; and
(4) There were sanctions which could be imposed in terms of the Rules which were
capable of affecting Rangers FC as a continuing entity now owned and operated by
Newco.

The_Kew_Tour · 28-02-2013 09:50PM

I have made my points clear on Rangers and I don't see them as new club they will always be Rangers.

But I am little disappointed with the fact that fans can still think they won these trophies fair and square when it's clear they did not.

It sets a dangerous precedent for other clubs to do the same.

What's done is done but you have to question how many league titles they would of won had they not basically cheated.

ColeTrain · 28-02-2013 09:53PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Well I know I will never get you to change your mind but thats not of any importance but read this taken from the findings of the inquiry

After reading that the question I have is what sanctions are being imposed against the new club?
I don't see the point in a few blown argument here btw, as you said yourself my mind won't be changed and it looks that way with you too!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 09:54PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have made my points clear on Rangers and I don't see them as new club they will always be Rangers.

But I am little disappointed with the fact that fans can still think they won these trophies fair and square when it's clear they did not.

It sets a dangerous precedent for other clubs to do the same.

What's done is done but you have to question how many league titles they would of won had they not basically cheated.

How is it not they were won on the park. If you look at the EBt's you will find that in the main two years when most money was spent on these we actually lost the title.
Well I don't think EBT's will be used that way has been shut. And if these other clubs are clean why not open there doors to scrutiny from an independent team that way everyone starts with a clean bill of health

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 09:57PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

After reading that the question I have is what sanctions are being imposed against the new club?
I don't see the point in a few blown argument here btw, as you said yourself my mind won't be changed and it looks that way with you too!

None but its not a new club its a new holding company. which is also talked about in the findings. No sanctions have been levied onto the new holding company as they make it clear in the findings that the old holding company was the one responsible

ColeTrain · 28-02-2013 10:01PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

None but its not a new club its a new holding company. which is also talked about in the findings. No sanctions have been levied onto the new holding company as they make it clear in the findings that the old holding company was the one responsible

If you're claiming it's the same club then why can't you be punished? Seems you want it all but without any consequences.

The_Kew_Tour · 28-02-2013 10:03PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

How is it not they were won on the park. If you look at the EBt's you will find that in the main two years when most money was spent on these we actually lost the title.
Well I don't think EBT's will be used that way has been shut. And if these other clubs are clean why not open there doors to scrutiny from an independent team that way everyone starts with a clean bill of health

I agree to point but these other clubs ain't winning much now are they ?

Every club should be assessed I don't doubt that.

Cork City went bust in a time when we won Setanta cup in which I don't regard us winning and most Cork fans agree with because we cheated to get better players.

The money most spent may have been in 2 years ye lost the league, but it's not as if these players suddenly disappeared and they were part of success in coming years.

I am talking OTT here but if Hibs signed Messi Ronaldo and Inesta and won league on second season would that be ok even though it's clear we have no hope to ever get that money paid? Never would happen of course and fans of other clubs would be crying foul for some time. Rightly so.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 10:04PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

If you're claiming it's the same club then why can't you be punished? Seems you want it all but without any consequences.

Hey I am only going by the findings of the independent inquiry. You know the one that was going to hand out justice except there are an awful lot of people who now seem to think they didn't hand out justice because it did not suit their agenda go figure. Also you do know that Green bought these assets before the old holding company went into liquidation in fact they are not legally liquidated yet the BDO are obviously going through it all with a fine tooth comb

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 10:11PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I agree to point but these other clubs ain't winning much now are they ?

Every club should be assessed I don't doubt that.

Cork City went bust in a time when we won Setanta cup in which I don't regard us winning and most Cork fans agree with because we cheated to get better players.

The money most spent may have been in 2 years ye lost the league, but it's not as if these players suddenly disappeared and they were part of success in coming years.

I am talking OTT here but if Hibs signed Messi Ronaldo and Inesta and won league on second season would that be ok even though it's clear we have no hope to ever get that money paid? Never would happen of course and fans of other clubs would be crying foul for some time. Rightly so.

Mate this independent inquiry states we had know advantage on the field of play. So as fans we are naturally going to be happy about that and with all due respect not all the players receiving payments were world class come on Billy Dodds

The_Kew_Tour · 28-02-2013 10:20PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Mate this independent inquiry states we had know advantage on the field of play. So as fans we are naturally going to be happy about that and with all due respect not all the players receiving payments were world class come on Billy Dodds

I understand that most likely you would of won some league titles maybe even all of them in that space of time but there will now always be a doubt in people's mind about it.

I have been on pretty much each Spl fan forums today and few
more who would share these views and some are much harsher.

It's not something I'm going to lose sleep over and I know it's touchy subject especially with me not being a Rangers fan.

What's done is done, but to many fans of Scottish clubs there will always be doubts that's all.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 10:25PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I understand that most likely you would of won some league titles maybe even all of them in that space of time but there will now always be a doubt in people's mind about it.

I have been on pretty much each Spl fan forums today and few
more who would share these views and some are much harsher.

It's not something I'm going to lose sleep over and I know it's touchy subject especially with me not being a Rangers fan.

What's done is done, but to many fans of Scottish clubs there will always be doubts that's all.

I am sure there will be and I don't have a problem with that but I do have a problem with people like Doncaster and Regan who wanted Green to give up these titles as a way into the SPL I am glad he told them very politely no.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-02-2013 10:29PM

Well well well, the months and months of ranting and threats from the management of Rangers has worked. The commission decided that Rangers broke the rules but decided to let them off, so to speak, because Bryson from the SFA stated that this breaking of the rules would have had no material impact on player registrations.

Is this the same Bryson who was involved with Farry over the Cadete registration cover-up problem?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 10:37PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Well well well, the months and months of ranting and threats from the management of Rangers has worked. The commission decided that Rangers broke the rules but decided to let them off, so to speak, because Bryson from the SFA stated that this breaking of the rules would have had no material impact on player registrations.

Is this the same Bryson who was involved with Farry over the Cadete registration cover-up problem?

LOL what a load of nonsense really can you just not accept an independent inquiry which we were told was going to hand out justice but its amazing what happens when it doesn't suit certain factions. Given the guy representing the SPL works for a company with close links to Celtic one could be wondering where the impartial part of the whole thing was.

As for these months of ranting and raving you speak of. According to just about every tic fan reckoned it was irrelevant as the inquiry would do its job guess what it did get over it. It made its decision based on the evidence put before it

Brewster · 28-02-2013 11:25PM

I was not surprised to learn of the verdict today while reading rte.ie. Rangers innocence had already being established by the first tier tax tribunal. I was always confident Rangers name would be cleared and hopefully today can close a sad sad chapter in the history of Scottish football. I got an awful hard time on this forum for having the temerity to question the "media/celtic view" that Rangers were guilty, even before any findings were made public! How wrong this view was and that of the various internet blogs. It became an obsession for people where sound judgement and rationale went out the window. Thankfully Lord Nimmo Smith's judgement brings some reality to the charade of the past while. Rangers used a very very clever tax avoidance measure during the years in question and today's result and token fine is fully consistent with this approach. Rangers are guilty of an administrative error basically, the ruling confirms what I said all along, Rangers won their titles on the park, on the pitch where titles are won. They gained no sporting advantage. I was ridiculed for holding such a view by some Celtic fans on here, however I don't hold any grudges towards them such was the level of propaganda that circulated over past 18 months. Thinking about it, it was easy trap for them to fall into to be honest such is the nature of Old Firm rivalry where the hatred at times can hide the truth I'm afraid. I note they are very quiet on this forum this evening! This commission has been a complete waste of money at a time when Scottish football is on its knees. Hopefully Scottish football can finally move on from this and learn from it. The most important thing is that Rangers get back to the top tier and challenge Celtic once again for the championship. It is only at this stage will the supporters return in their numbers. Like many others, I've lost all interest in Scottish football this season as there is simply no competition for title with the absence of Rangers. The authorities need to beg them to come back to top tier before its too late....

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-02-2013 11:43PM

Well said Brewster except 99% of bears I know don't want fast tracked we are happy to make our way back to the top on the park

Jelle1880 · 28-02-2013 11:47PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Well well well, the months and months of ranting and threats from the management of Rangers has worked. The commission decided that Rangers broke the rules but decided to let them off, so to speak, because Bryson from the SFA stated that this breaking of the rules would have had no material impact on player registrations.

Is this the same Bryson who was involved with Farry over the Cadete registration cover-up problem?

I think you forgot your tin foil hat.

You also need to read the verdict.

Rangers didn't break any rules.
There was only an administrative error.

All we need now is a picture on the front pages of every Scottish newspaper with Whyte in handcuffs.

Brewster · 28-02-2013 11:59PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Well said Brewster except 99% of bears I know don't want fast tracked we are happy to make our way back to the top on the park

Fair enough and I can understand reasons why. However, I think all asides need to draw a line in the sand and get the league reconstruction sorted out. In my view Rangers and their fans need to compromise for the good of the game they are part of and accept any invitation that would come their way for an early return to the top flight. This would be the view of any neutrals, they want Rangers back where they belong. Some of the most exciting league championship finishes anywhere in Europe have occurred in Scotland in the final minutes of games, the time Rangers won the league on goal difference and the time Scott McDonald scored the two late goals against Celtic to hand Rangers the title. These are great sporting moments and there will be more to come in future once Rangers get back into top flight.

bobmalooka · 01-03-2013 12:29AM

Lol, I genuinely love it when I see brewstirrers name pop up. Glad you worked out how to post in your own clubs thread. Regarding today's ruling, I'm amazed that the ebts were ruled not to have given rangers an advantage on the pitch, I'll have to read it fully when I get a chance.

On a different note I was doing an accounting theory question yesterday which involved accounting for bad debts from a mr Murray mr whyte and mr green. Maybe CAI know more about green than we do.

Eirebear · 01-03-2013 01:03AM

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

A court of law has ruled in our favour
an "independent" tribunal has ruled in our favour.

Now it's all down to the funny handshakes.

Bitter, Bitter, Bitter.
See you all in 2 years.

54 titles, we're still going strong!

ColeTrain · 01-03-2013 01:12AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

A court of law has ruled in our favour
an "independent" tribunal has ruled in our favour.

Now it's all down to the funny handshakes.

Bitter, Bitter, Bitter.
See you all in 2 years.

54 titles, we're still going strong!

Still going strong? You've had to start a new club and you're in division 3 with superstars like Ian Black and Charles Green running things.
I suppose with the year you've had this feels like a victory?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 01:25AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Still going strong? You've had to start a new club and you're in division 3 with superstars like Ian Black and Charles Green running things.
I suppose with the year you've had this feels like a victory?

Really get over it we didn't start a new club what's so hard to understand that Green bought the assets before the old holding company was liquidated therefore they all belonged to the new holding company. It's not rocket science now no matter how upset people are due to verdicts going in Rangers favour they need to get a grip. It is so gauling that one minute the independent commission is great but as soon as the verdict goes against the way certain people want it to go. The accusations start about Masonic conspiracies ( presumably meaning Protestant) also accusations of bribery. It really does become very sad but not totally unexpected. Still I live in hope that some day these people will accept defeat gracefully though I am not holding my breath
54

Eirebear · 01-03-2013 01:39AM

I never had you down as one of the bitter ones Cole, mind you the last year or so has shown me just how far it spreads.
Still going strong? Too right we are.

Look over your shoulders, because lawell never managed to kill us, despite help from his familiars.

blahfckingblah · 01-03-2013 01:42AM

haha now its peter lawwells fault? make your mind up if we say nothing you comment on our absence and if we post were bitter.. confused

ColeTrain · 01-03-2013 01:46AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really get over it we didn't start a new club what's so hard to understand that Green bought the assets before the old holding company was liquidated therefore they all belonged to the new holding company. It's not rocket science now no matter how upset people are due to verdicts going in Rangers favour they need to get a grip. It is so gauling that one minute the independent commission is great but as soon as the verdict goes against the way certain people want it to go. The accusations start about Masonic conspiracies ( presumably meaning Protestant) also accusations of bribery. It really does become very sad but not totally unexpected. Still I live in hope that some day these people will accept defeat gracefully though I am not holding my breath
54

Never mentioned anything like that, you must know something?

Eirebear wrote: »

I never had you down as one of the bitter ones Cole, mind you the last year or so has shown me just how far it spreads.
Still going strong? Too right we are.

Look over your shoulders, because lawell never managed to kill us, despite help from his familiars.

Nah I'm not bitter EireBear, I'm obsessed :cool:
How could Lawell have stopped a new club being formed? not sure what you're getting at.

Eirebear · 01-03-2013 01:46AM

Did I say anything about your absence? I prefer life without bitterness

Eirebear · 01-03-2013 01:50AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Never mentioned anything like that, you must know something?

Nah I'm not bitter EireBear, I'm obsessed :cool:
How could Lawell have stopped a new club being formed? not sure what you're getting at.

Harper McLeod ring any bells?
The kangaroo court failed, and even if the SPL recoup the fine, it still doesn't cover their expenses.

Speaking of which, any news on the accounts the SPL where supposed to publish today?

Jelle1880 · 01-03-2013 01:54AM

Dear Celtic fans,

Read the report.
Then try and come back with this new club crap so we can separate the bitter ones from the decent ones.

Regards.

Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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