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Transgender child banned from girl's bathroom

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  • #182
    Chuck Stone
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    The Psychologist applied the 'Sewing Machine Test' obviously.


  • #183
    Cavehill Red
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The Psychologist applied the 'Sewing Machine Test' obviously.

    That's sloppy psychology. Surely for a firm diagnosis the 'making a sammich' test ought to have been used also.


  • #184
    smash
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    MadsL wrote: »

    Because not liking girls at an early age has nothing to do with sexuality.
    Not identifying with your birth sex at an early age and through puberty has everything to do with gender dysphoria.

    Simple enough?
    18 months old is not puberty. Neither is 7 years old... Try again!


  • #185
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    ITT: MadsL posts some nonsense in his ever going quest to defend America in AH....

    ...from Americans:
    CollardGreens wrote: »
    And I stand by that. Look MadsL, I've always thought you are a good person and still do. What I am saying is that I DO NOT believe that people are "born that way", I believe it is a choice (and no, I do not believe homosexuals are born that way either). I am not saying these people that make these choices are evil people. That is one subject for possibly another thread, I'm just being honest in what I believe and I do have reasons I believe that way.

    As far as the parents, I do think they are bad people for making what I consider a poor "choice" for a child that is too young to know the difference.

    Please don't fault me for honesty?!

    :pac:


  • #186
    CollardGreens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭CollardGreens


    While many may think gender identity and confusion forms when a child is going through puberty, gender identity in children begins to form around the age of three. Gender identity is affected by influence of others, social interactions, and a child’s own personal interest. Understanding gender can be broken down into four parts: (1) understanding the concept of gender, (2) learning gender role standards and stereotypes, (3) identifying with parents, and (4) forming gender preference (Newman 243).

    That's horse hockey from a man!

    The God I worship says for men not to be with men and women not to be with women. Granted some may be attracted to the same, heck, some are even attracted to objects (and I really don't mean that disrespectful).

    God in heaven is not a mean God, He NEVER says not to be blind, not to be lame, not to be retarded. I don't for one minute believe the God would tell someone to do something that is not possible!

    The Bible says being homosexual is wrong, period.


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  • #187
    Yitzhak Rabin
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    Listen. A toddler is well aware of their sexuality and is fully capable of making decisions about surgically reassigning their gender.

    If you disagree, well then I've got news for you pal, you're nothing but a transphobic fcuking dinosaur! Get with the programme you bigots! :mad:


  • #188
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    oh noes.
    MadsL fwiw I admire your integrity.


  • #189
    Boombastic
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    CollardGreens wrote: »
    That's horse hockey from a man!

    The God I worship says for men not to be with men and women not to be with women. Granted some may be attracted to the same, heck, some are even attracted to objects (and I really don't mean that disrespectful).

    God in heaven is not a mean God, He NEVER says not to be blind, not to be lame, not to be retarded. I don't for one minute believe the God would tell someone to do something that is not possible!

    The Bible says being homosexual is wrong, period.
    God doesn't exist, it's mans invention


  • #190
    LizT
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    CollardGreens wrote: »
    That's horse hockey from a man!

    The God I worship says for men not to be with men and women not to be with women. Granted some may be attracted to the same, heck, some are even attracted to objects (and I really don't mean that disrespectful).

    God in heaven is not a mean God, He NEVER says not to be blind, not to be lame, not to be retarded. I don't for one minute believe the God would tell someone to do something that is not possible!

    The Bible says being homosexual is wrong, period.

    That's for a whole other thread.

    Incidentally, the bible says anyone working on the "sabbath" should be put to death and you shouldn't wear clothes made from both linen and cotton. I presume you blindly accept these teachings too?


  • #191
    Boo2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Boo2112


    MadsL wrote: »

    Because not liking girls at an early age has nothing to do with sexuality.
    Not identifying with your birth sex at an early age and through puberty has everything to do with gender dysphoria.

    Simple enough?
    Since when is puberty 18 months? Do you have kids? My brother was fully convinced he was a dog when he was 3, he insisted we called him brownie and would crawl around on all fours but I'm pretty sure if you asked him now he'd be happy we didn't take this as a sign that he was a dog in a boys body and feed him dogfood, let him run naked on a lead or make him poop outside.


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  • #192
    starlings
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    LizT wrote: »
    That's for a whole other thread.

    Incidentally, the bible says anyone working on the "sabbath" should be put to death and you shouldn't wear clothes made from both linen and cotten. I presume you blindly accept these teachings too?

    it's OK, 'cause god NEVER told Collard Greens not to be retarded. :D


  • #193
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    The problem that this child is more than likely not transgender. Teenagers come out with these things when they realise what they are, it's not for parents to take drastic steps like this at 18 months!

    What's your expertise to assert that the child "likely" isn't transgender? And what "drastic steps" have they taken? Allowed Coy to wear a dress? Victorians used to dress ALL kids in dresses until age 7.
    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Perhaps to establish if the child truly is having gender identity issues and how to deal with authorities in their lives, such as schools in how to best deal with the situation if Coy truly is a girl. Not to mention to help the parents (who are clearly very supportive, though I question their reasons) deal with it in a way that is ultimately best for Coy and to allow Coy be the person they truly are.

    So a "professional" opinion is needed?
    anncoates wrote: »
    Do you have kids?

    Yes. Irrelevant really though isn't it. And personal.
    smash wrote: »
    18 months old is not puberty. Neither is 7 years old... Try again!

    Try actually reading what I wrote and you try again.
    CollardGreens wrote: »
    The Bible says being homosexual is wrong, period.

    No it doesn't. The Old Testament says it is wrong. The Old Testament also tells you the circumstances under which you should sell your daughter, and marry your brother's wife, and when to stone a harlot.


  • #194
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    "A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this” (Deuteronomy 22:5).


    God hates me because I wear trousers :( but the pope wears a dress :confused:


  • #195
    Sinfonia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    Ever hear of professional psychologists?
    Maybe the parents should have consulted with one(at least) and asked them what they thought, after all even young adults who are confused about their gender go for therapy before making huge decisions..
    According to their interview in the video they did take the child to a psychologist.
    CollardGreens wrote: »
    That's horse hockey from a man!

    The God I worship says for men not to be with men and women not to be with women. Granted some may be attracted to the same, heck, some are even attracted to objects (and I really don't mean that disrespectful).

    God in heaven is not a mean God, He NEVER says not to be blind, not to be lame, not to be retarded. I don't for one minute believe the God would tell someone to do something that is not possible!

    The Bible says being homosexual is wrong, period.
    Is this irony? Honestly not sure.
    Regardless, existence of God aside, the Bible was written by men.


  • #196
    Ficheall
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    The mother is hot.


  • #197
    MadsL
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    Boo2112 wrote: »
    Since when is puberty 18 months? Do you have kids? My brother was fully convinced he was a dog when he was 3, he insisted we called him brownie and would crawl around on all fours but I'm pretty sure if you asked him now he'd be happy we didn't take this as a sign that he was a dog in a boys body and feed him dogfood, let him run naked on a lead or make him poop outside.

    I said - for those posters having trouble reading "At an early age and through puberty"


  • #198
    LizT
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    MadsL wrote: »
    What's your expertise to assert that the child "likely" isn't transgender? And what "drastic steps" have they taken? Allowed Coy to wear a dress? Victorians used to dress ALL kids in dresses until age 7.

    My brother used to play dress up with me and my sister when we were younger. I better ring him and make sure he realizes he's transgender.

    They did a lot more than put him in a dress in fairness.


  • #199
    Sinfonia
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    MadsL wrote: »
    What's your expertise to assert that the child "likely" isn't transgender?
    What's your expertise to assert that:
    MadsL wrote: »
    Most [transgendered people] say they have always known, and it was never a choice for them.
    Have you met every transgendered person?


  • #200
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »
    Listen. A toddler is well aware of their sexuality and is fully capable of making decisions about surgically reassigning their gender.

    If you disagree, well then I've got news for you pal, you're nothing but a transphobic fcuking dinosaur! Get with the programme you bigots! :mad:

    Nobody here has made that argument.


  • #201
    orestes
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    The parents have 5 kids, why would they force just one (out of a set of triplets no less) to dress as a girl when they were born a boy? Doesn't make sense to me. The kid started claiming at a young age there was something wrong with their body and was acting as a girl, they took the kid to a specialist who diagnosed gender identity disorder.

    The whole 18 month bit does seem a bit young alright, at that age kids are usually starting to display if they are left and right handed and stuff like that though so behavioural traits do start to display that early (yes, I know gender identity isn't the same thing, it's just a vague example). I doubt she picked up a Barbie a few times or happened to prefer girly games and the parents started swinging for the fences. She has presented and been recognised as a girl since kindergarten, by other kids and teachers.

    Calling the parents child abusers sounds like a knee jerk reaction, since they went to the trouble of bringing the kid to a specialist when she was 4 it looks like the matter was clearly ongoing and pervasive enough not to be written off as "kids being kids" and since the doctor agreed and made the diagnosis it definitely looks like they had due reason.


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  • #202
    CollardGreens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭CollardGreens


    Has anyone hit on the race cards yet? I haven't seen that and we don't want to leave anything out as long as we are touching all the subjects that bring out the sweets.

    Whites,
    Blacks,
    Mixed,
    Yellow,
    Brown,
    American,
    Brits,
    Canadians,
    .............:rolleyes:


    Y'all with me, keep up! :cool:


  • #203
    Boo2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Boo2112


    MadsL wrote: »

    I said - for those posters having trouble reading "At an early age and through puberty"
    An early age is not 18 months regarding sexuality or gender identity. You're barely aware you exist at all ffs!


  • #204
    wolfpawnat
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    Boombastic wrote: »

    God hates me because I wear trousers :( but the pope wears a dress :confused:

    He's special! ;)
    MadsL wrote: »
    So a "professional" opinion is needed?

    I was merely answering your question on why some would suggest that professional assessment may be required. At no stage would I attempt to stifle any child's right to be who they are truly are, but some children go through phases, others, it is not a phase but discovering their true identity. A professional in that field would merely aid the child and it's parents in a healthy way to make accepting themselves easier and how to deal with less understanding people, would you not agree?


  • #205
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    CollardGreens wrote: »
    Has anyone hit on the race cards yet? I haven't seen that and we don't want to leave anything out as long as we are touching all the subjects that bring out the sweets.

    Whites,
    Blacks,
    Mixed,
    Yellow,
    Brown,
    American,
    Brits,
    Canadians,
    .............:rolleyes:


    Y'all with me, keep up! :cool:

    Too late Americans were blamed posts ago :pac:


  • #206
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    What's your expertise to assert that:

    Have you met every transgendered person?
    I'm not trying to start anything here but I really don't know what it's like for everyone else. Have you always instinctively known what gender you are? (cuz I didn't, ever as far as I remember)


  • #207
    Boombastic
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    The child was offered the option of using the nurses toilet, why was this not an acceptable compromise?


  • #208
    CollardGreens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭CollardGreens


    Too late Americans were blamed posts ago

    yeah, I know - It's George Bush's fault and he probably wears a dress right?! ;)


  • #209
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    What's your expertise?

    Not mine - the experiences of the transgendered.
    Like many of you, I've come to accept that I'm Trans at 39 after feeling that something was wrong from the age of 5. Never liked being male, hate 'male' things like football, wrestling, never had a male body always skinny with small hands and feet.
    Ive wanted to be female since the age of 5. Ive tried to lead a normal life but things caught up with me last November where i was considering suicide.
    Like many transgender people i have always felt that i was in the wrong body , i have never liked to dress as a male
    Two years ago, in desperation, having read much on the internet, I plucked up courage and went to see my to my GP in Kent. She did not know how to deal with me and focused our discussion entirely on the potenntial effects on my wife. She told me to think about it some more. I told my wife. She was amazingly very sympathetic and very sorry for me having had to live life since early childhood with dysphoria

    http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx


  • #210
    CollardGreens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭CollardGreens


    but the pope wears a dress


    I like the red shoes and big hat myself! :)

    (he would never make it far in Texas with that big hat)


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  • #211
    DonkeyStyle \o/
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    Each to their own.
    I have to ask though, even if the 6 year old was living as a boy, what's the big deal about using the girl's toilets? There are stalls, you close the door and nobody has to look at your equipment.
    I know all men are rapists and perverts, but that shouldn't kick in for years.


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