Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

Nodin · 24-02-2013 06:40PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why hardly? If this day celebrates provos among others then it still celebrates provos. Logically that's the only valid conclusion.

Celebrates the Provisional movement amongst others. Thus its hardly a "provo" holiday.

Iwasfrozen · 24-02-2013 06:43PM

Nodin wrote: »

Celebrates the Provisional movement amongst others. Thus its hardly a "provo" holiday.

Yes so if it celebrates the provos among others then it still celebrates the provos. We should not have any day commemorating terrorism.

Nodin · 24-02-2013 06:47PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes so if it celebrates the provos among others then it still celebrates the provos. We should not have any day commemorating terrorism.

...according to you. Hardly suprising, given your attitudes.

Iwasfrozen · 24-02-2013 06:52PM

Nodin wrote: »

...according to you. Hardly suprising, given your attitudes.

Not according to me, according to Aengus. I'm guessing that's the part of my post you disagreed with seeing as no right thinking person would ever agree with commemorating terrorism.

Nodin · 24-02-2013 07:22PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Not according to me, according to Aengus. I'm guessing that's the part of my post you disagreed with seeing as no right thinking person would ever agree with commemorating terrorism.

...again, according to you.

Iwasfrozen · 24-02-2013 07:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

...again, according to you.

interesting that it's not according to you. Interesting but not, from what i know of your ideology, surprising.

Dyr · 24-02-2013 07:33PM

A provo holiday sounds alright, we could have it on a random day each year. Just suddenly announce that everyone in work has fifteen minutes to get out of their building.

Crooked Jack · 24-02-2013 07:51PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Then why not just have an independence day?

Its a bit pointless without having first achieved independence. partial independence day doesnt have the same ring to it.

Iwasfrozen · 24-02-2013 07:55PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Its a bit pointless without having first achieved independence. partial independence day doesnt have the same ring to it.

The holiday would only be in the south though so it would be full independence day.

Agent Smith · 24-02-2013 10:44PM

How about July 11th? The end of the war of independence?

Crooked Jack · 25-02-2013 01:16AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The holiday would only be in the south though so it would be full independence day.

The fact that it would only be in the south indicates it wouldnt be a full independence day

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 02:41AM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

The fact that it would only be in the south indicates it wouldnt be a full independence day

I don't get you, not full Irish independence but the island of Ireland isn't a state. The republic of Ireland is and we would be celebrating that independence. I would hope the people of the North would be even more sickened by the thought of a bank holiday celebrating provos then us.

osarusan · 25-02-2013 03:02AM

A holiday celebrating our patriots and heroes, with Sinn F**king Fein deciding who is to be celebrated?

No thank you.

im invisible · 25-02-2013 04:53AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The holiday would only be in the south though so it would be full independence day.

sixty percent of the time it works every time

mikemac1 · 25-02-2013 08:02AM

Ruari Quinn promised us workers that February 1st St Bridgets Day would be a public holiday when Labour got elected

Another broken promise that those wasters :mad:

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 12:50PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Ruari Quinn promised us workers that February 1st St Bridgets Day would be a public holiday when Labour got elected

Another broken promise that those wasters :mad:

Get away with ya, the country is in a bad enough state without cutting total productivity by a further 0.27%

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 12:53PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes it does, that's exactly what it means. A day celebrating provos among others is still a day celebrating provos.

That´s an very "selective" opinion. I think that this Republic Day is more than what you think it is. It´s simply celebrating the Irish Republic and its achievements since it was declared (imo).:)

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 12:57PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

That´s an very "selective" opinion. I think that this Republic Day is more than what you think it is. It´s simply celebrating the Irish Republic and its achievements since it was declared (imo).:)

Ah no if anything the extra bank holiday will help stimulate the economy, (the alcohol lobby if nothing else), I wouldn't mind an extra bank holiday but not one celebrating terrorists.

mikemac1 · 25-02-2013 01:12PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Get away with ya, the country is in a bad enough state without cutting total productivity by a further 0.27%

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Ah no if anything the extra bank holiday will help stimulate the economy, (the alcohol lobby if nothing else),

So are you for it or against it?

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 01:15PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

So are you for it or against it?

The first comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I wouldn't be totally against another bank holiday as long as it was politically neutral.

Caliden · 25-02-2013 01:18PM

I'd be for it as long as it didn't resort to a holiday where everyone gets hammered.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 01:20PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes so if it celebrates the provos among others then it still celebrates the provos. We should not have any day commemorating terrorism.

So when does the 'terrorist' tag drop? How many years, how many blind eyes to the reality of violence have to be turned?
Because, the world over this is what happens, from Nelson Mandela to Michael Collins.
Are you saying that the men and women who died as members of the various Republican organisations can never be honoured?

Chips Lovell · 25-02-2013 01:25PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Are you saying that the men and women who died as members of the various Republican organisations can never be honoured?

I think that's what people are saying, yes. The passing of time doesn't really alter what they did nor confer any legality on it.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 01:39PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

I think that's what people are saying, yes. The passing of time doesn't really alter what they did nor confer any legality on it.

I suggest you grab a big bag of popcorn and watch.
I don't expect the 'rule' to be broken on this, one day these men and women will be thanked and applauded for their sarcrifice. Takes a lot to make the ultimate sarcrifice and whatever you think of their ideals, the fact is that the vast majority of this movement where idealists,(they had their usual coterie of thugs and self interested members, like any army) that won't be held against them in the long run, never is. If they where 'sick phsycos' or 'ordinary selfish criminals' how were they able to switch it all off so successfully?

Chips Lovell · 25-02-2013 01:46PM

Aye, it takes a lot to make the ultimate sacrifice of blowing up a couple of kids outside a McDonalds.

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 01:51PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

I think that's what people are saying, yes. The passing of time doesn't really alter what they did nor confer any legality on it.

Your post shows just the mindset akin to those people who preferred to "convert" themselves for the advantages offered to them by the English throuth centuries and in a mood of loyality towards "the hand that feed them" betrayed their Irish fellowmen. I think that from these people the "Anglo-Irish" emerged and ruled Ireland on behalf of the English crown. They later were also called the "West-Brits". Just as you said "the passing of time doesn´t really alter what they did" but whether it doesn´t "confer any legality on it" is quite another question.

Chips Lovell · 25-02-2013 01:56PM

I suppose it was only a matter of time before "soupers" were brought into the debate.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 02:03PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Aye, it takes a lot to make the ultimate sacrifice of blowing up a couple of kids outside a McDonalds.

Terrible tragedy, but in the context of the point I was making, would you hazard a gues at how many women and children where killed in the War of Independence for example, by people now honoured and lionised by officialdom?

Yamanoto · 25-02-2013 02:05PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

Your post shows just the mindset akin to those people who preferred to "convert" themselves for the advantages offered to them by the English throuth centuries and in a mood of loyality towards "the hand that feed them" betrayed their Irish fellowmen. I think that from these people the "Anglo-Irish" emerged and ruled Ireland on behalf of the English crown.

Yep, that's precisely where the Anglo-Irish came from.

Jazz history

Chips Lovell · 25-02-2013 02:08PM

Why are you assuming I'm defending any unlawful killings committed during the war of independence?

Why are you equating a war mandated by Ireland's elected representatives to a terrorist campaign mounted with no democratic mandate?

Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

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