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  • #2042
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    because a 50 k plus salary is enough to fend off poverty unless you made investments in the past which relied on a permanent floor under incomes

    as for not caring what a a guard earns , would you be ok if the average guard was on 112 k per year instead of 56k ( excl overtime) ?

    For that moment in time when they are there or chasing somebody that just broke into your house, then no I don't care what they earn as long as the person involved is paid enough to keep him/her committed to the job and force in general.

    Same goes for nurses and doctors. When I'm knocked out for an operation, I have no control. I want the people working on me to be highly motivated and not be thinking of their next pay packet, I want them happy in work as this means they perform to their best!

    I had a stay in James hospital for 4 days in 2012 and to see some of the stuff they have to do, I would never begrudge what they earn, although I also feel the same way for crèche workers, they work their ass off all day with those children in there!


  • #2043
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    road_high wrote: »
    What has this got to do with anything? Ridiculous post. We should be trying to live within our means rather than borrowing these enormous sums yearly. No one ever mentioned a country making "profit". Except you of course, trying to scew the sad reality of how much we are living beyond our means. It's preposterious. However matching our spending to revenue is sensible and is something we have to do. Hence the needed reductions in all PS spending.

    Ah awfully sorry indeed. It was someone on your side who mentioned PS wages elsewhere but don't let that prevent you from venting.


  • #2044
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    murphaph wrote: »
    Replace "Guard" with AA man, shop assistant, McDonald's Drive Thru dude. Do you care what the checkout operator in Lidl earns when you go shopping there? No, and why should you? It's not your concern.

    The difference is, I respect what they do. I've been there during school and college and I have a lot of time for them. I still have family working in these professions.


  • #2045
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ah awfully sorry indeed. It was someone on your side who mentioned PS wages elsewhere but don't let that prevent you from venting.

    What are you sorry for? And my "side"? What is that exactly?


  • #2046
    van_beano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭van_beano


    oscar_statue wrote: »

    170 euro a week paycut might be a lot to someone on 20 k per year , it isnt for someone earning 65 k

    Ha €65k a year? You're obviously looking at Inspector rank upwards. Garda rank max (with 17 years service) is just shy of €48k gross and there's no way they get €17k in allowances. And with well over half the force under 10 years service - €42k gross, €65k is way off the mark.

    http://www.gra.cc/payscales.shtml


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  • #2047
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I see it differently.
    The Govt are hoping that because of the state of the country's debts that the Unions will not strike.
    They do not understand the level of anger of the ordinary people of Ireland who are fed up to the teeth of cuts and taxes while profits soar elsewhere.
    I can see the Govt pulling in their horns fairly lively when the talks breakdown and nurses, garda, prison officers etc don't turn up for work.

    You still don't get it...The government has no choice but to make cuts we are simply spending too much money.

    Tell us all Tayto, Without cuts once the IMF cut off funding our PS and social welfare where is our current deficit going to be paid from ?

    It sounds like the attitude of a spoiled teenager.


  • #2048
    oscar_statue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭oscar_statue


    kceire wrote: »
    Gardai are highly regarded in the USA and Australia and New Zealand. All you have to do is go look at the advertisements for law enforcement over there. They pay more and hence the countries get a better service.


    police in new zealand earn a lot less than police in ireland

    as for australia , your comparing ireland to one of the richest countries in the world

    the guards were no great shakes in this country even when they were on an average of 60 k per year , the endless eulogising of them is nauseatingly unwarranted


  • #2049
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    tayto lover wrote: »
    No poll but I have heard the opinions of a lot of people I meet daily.
    By the way I work in the Private Sector and the vast majority of the people I work with and socialize with do not want to see nurses, teachers, garda, firemen etc strike. They fully support them.



    Well if your friends say so. I think it's the opposite for some. Young members there is probably a bit of sympathy. Older more senior members it's probably a bit different. No one gives a toss about teachers, with the amount of holidays they get they won't get any sympathy. When you have a Garda sergeant having a moan about wage cuts being a nuisance to him in paying his kids €24k a year private education then public sympathy might not remain at a massive level.

    The Government have to make these cuts from somewhere, if they don't do it from public sector pay then they will look at other players to do it. Will your friends really be happy with higher income tax so Garda sergeant can keep his kids in private schools?


  • #2050
    fall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭fall


    road_high wrote: »
    Well I do. The country is running a very large deficit still and the money to pay them and the PS does not grow on trees (despite the impression given here). We are borrowing just to pay wages/social welfare here. This cannot go on...it's that simple. I'm surprised it's only €1 billion considering the deficit is €12!!
    We just cannot afford wages and services at any price just because they are neccessary public goods.

    Sorry when they can even suggest a pay rise to someone on €190,000 then I feel there are plenty of other areas where fat can be trimmed.
    I want real reform in the public sector not just some blanket gesture that does not address or change bad practise. Make the public sector more efficient and get more bang for your buck. But don't penalise those that work extremely hard and that go over and above.


  • #2051
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Payscales of guards bear no reality to what they earn. They have allowances that they all recieve and as well they have overtime. This statement that we get about paying peanuts and getting monkeys is a silly statement.

    Our PS is higher paid than most countries in europe and yes we have higher costs however this effects the private sector as well. We cannot afford these pay rates now and even if there is industrial action the government will press ahead as this is a trioka imposed action.

    If the garda get allowances i'm sure they earn them. They hardly get them for nothing. I get overtime if I work late, i get nothing for nothing just like them.

    Yes a lot of things get the "Troika made us do it" treatment.


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  • #2052
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    if most countries are so proud of their nurses and police, why do they pay them less than ours
    Do they? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/3536757/NHS-nurse-takes-home-100000-salary-thanks-to-overtime.html

    They certainly pay their politicians a lot less! :rolleyes:


  • #2053
    oscar_statue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭oscar_statue


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Payscales of guards bear no reality to what they earn. They have allowances that they all recieve and as well they have overtime. This statement that we get about paying peanuts and getting monkeys is a silly statement.

    Our PS is higher paid than most countries in europe and yes we have higher costs however this effects the private sector as well. We cannot afford these pay rates now and even if there is industrial action the government will press ahead as this is a trioka imposed action.

    there we disagree

    through labour pressure and enda kenny spinelessnes , the ps will get a sweet deal , they always do regardless of who is in power , this protracted negotation is pure pantomine


  • #2054
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You still don't get it...The government has no choice but to make cuts we are simply spending too much money.

    Tell us all Tayto, Without cuts once the IMF cut off funding our PS and social welfare where is our current deficit going to be paid from ?

    No doubt tax all those rich people that are floating around somewhere in a parrallel universe :rolleyes:... to the tune of €12 billion plus.
    If we hadn't access to IMF funding the cuts would be automatic and non negiotable. And in the order of very large % terms.


  • #2055
    oscar_statue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭oscar_statue


    kceire wrote: »
    For that moment in time when they are there or chasing somebody that just broke into your house, then no I don't care what they earn as long as the person involved is paid enough to keep him/her committed to the job and force in general.

    Same goes for nurses and doctors. When I'm knocked out for an operation, I have no control. I want the people working on me to be highly motivated and not be thinking of their next pay packet, I want them happy in work as this means they perform to their best!

    I had a stay in James hospital for 4 days in 2012 and to see some of the stuff they have to do, I would never begrudge what they earn, although I also feel the same way for crèche workers, they work their ass off all day with those children in there!


    the button pushing emotional arguement doesnt work with all of us , many of us find it both cynical and tedious, this banal notion that guards and nurses are idealist and selfless warriors is hogwash , the vast majority signed up for a steady paycheck and excellent pension


  • #2056
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,130 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    kceire wrote: »
    The difference is, I respect what they do.
    You don't respect the AA guy that gets your car going again on the side of a dangerous road on a dark rainy night?


  • #2057
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    the button pushing emotional arguement doesnt work with all of us , many of us find it both cynical and tedious

    Have you a credited link to that?
    Who are the "many of us"?

    Can you speak for everybody?
    Highly doubtful, so for e moment your posts are your opinion, nothing more, nothing less, as are mine ;)


  • #2058
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    murphaph wrote: »
    You don't respect the AA guy that gets your car going again on the side of a dangerous road on a dark rainy night?

    You are the one that's brought them up. I posted that I respect them, so I have no idea what you are trying to get across in your post?

    Either way, I have no AA.


  • #2059
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Chucky the Tree::: I take HUGE offence with your remark about teachers and holidays. I recently began subbing. It's a maternity cover. I will not be paid for ANY holidays and my contract is only 9 hours per week so I am struggling to live in my wages....

    I am dreading summer as for me it is essentially 3 months unemployment with no employers available!!!

    You obviously do not understand the reality for many teachers so kindly keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself.


  • #2060
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You still don't get it...The government has no choice but to make cuts we are simply spending too much money.

    Tell us all Tayto, Without cuts once the IMF cut off funding our PS and social welfare where is our current deficit going to be paid from ?

    It sounds like the attitude of a spoiled teenager.

    Well it won't be from Leo Veradkar anyway as he says he has been cut enough. A very spoiled teenager is our Leo.:D
    I think they should raise the Corporate Tax rate. They won't run away for 1.5/2%
    I am sure they would get the magical 1 Billion from that.
    Cut CB from families earning over 80k or thereabouts too.
    Pay Free Legal Aid only to people who have been found "Not Guilty", Charge the others the legal fees and see the crime rates drop too.
    Half the number of TD's as this country is too small to pay for 166 parasites and 60 Senators. Stop the Quangos etc etc.
    There are loads of ways to get a Billion but our spoiled Government just want to do the handy things.


  • #2061
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    van_beano wrote: »
    Well with a €170 a week paycut I would imagine not many bills would get paid including mortgage or rent. Ara sure they can always move back home I suppose.

    I finished a long term contract a few years ago, and the job I took after that paid 27% less than the contract I was one, excluding performance based bonuses, no overtime possible. Performance based bonuses are achieved probably 50% of the time across the company as the targets are extremely high.

    The company I work in also imposed an across the board 15% paycut for all staff. No-one in the company has had a payrise/increment of any sort in three years.

    How many public sector workers have seen a 15% paycut with no increments? Iirc the average with the pension levy etc was about 7.5%. That's repeated in a lot of SMEs that I know of, even those that are doing well, partly doing well as they've imposed those cuts.

    If someone cannot afford their mortgage, there is the MARP process, MABS etc. People also need to adjust their standard of living to their circumstances, I and many others in the private sector have also had to do this.


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  • #2062
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    police in new zealand earn a lot less than police in ireland

    as for australia , your comparing ireland to one of the richest countries in the world

    the guards were no great shakes in this country even when they were on an average of 60 k per year , the endless eulogising of them is nauseatingly unwarranted

    I knew the spite would be drawn out of the "newcomer" eventually.
    It was obvious from the start.


  • #2063
    oscar_statue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭oscar_statue


    the average pay cut across the ps is nowhere near 15% when you value increments etc, of course rte ( bar pat kenny ) never call out their union friends on this spin


  • #2064
    van_beano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭van_beano


    I think what people are missing aswell is the sad fact that some members of the Gardai (I don't know about any other workers) are sleeping in their cars in between shifts as they can't afford to put fuel into their car to make their journey home.


  • #2065
    oscar_statue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭oscar_statue


    kceire wrote: »
    Again, post reported. Be a man and attack the ball, not the player ;)


    well if the cap fits


    dont worry , il be banned by morning , this site has become a joke and it hasnt gone unoticed, will end up nothing but a circle jerk of middle class pc lefties


  • #2066
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    van_beano wrote: »
    I think what people are missing aswell is the sad fact that some members of the Gardai (I don't know about any other workers) are sleeping in their cars in between shifts as they can't afford to put fuel into their car to make their journey home.



    And some can still afford €24k per year for private schools.


  • #2067
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    police in new zealand earn a lot less than police in ireland

    as for australia , your comparing ireland to one of the richest countries in the world

    the guards were no great shakes in this country even when they were on an average of 60 k per year , the endless eulogising of them is nauseatingly unwarranted

    Talking about guards give you away jimmmy


  • #2068
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    well if the cap fits


    dont worry , il be banned by morning , this site has become a joke and it hasnt gone unoticed, will end up nothing but a circle jerk of middle class pc lefties

    Point proved.
    Thanks


  • #2069
    oscar_statue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭oscar_statue


    road_high wrote: »
    This is a public forum. Anybody is perfectly entitled to come on here and give their opinion and arguments. So report away.


    like hell they are

    raise questions about travellers and other liberal sacred cows and the thread is locked faster than oliver reed at a party


  • #2070
    van_beano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭van_beano


    Chucky the tree wrote: »



    And some can still afford €24k per year for private schools.

    Again the person you're referring to there is the Sgt in Dun Laoghaire and not your young Garda rank member with less than 10 years service. Try and stay on point please.


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  • #2071
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    oscar_statue wrote: »
    like hell they are

    raise questions about travellers and other liberal sacred cows and the thread is locked faster than oliver reed at a party

    Souns like you are looking for this forum - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576
    >

    oscar_statue wrote: »
    not your call but you racked up another brownie point with your report , good boardsie, you,l make a mod some day soon

    Once I get a mod allowance, then no problem.


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