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Do You *Recognize* the State of Israel?

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  • #32
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Ecumenical Matter...there I said it/


  • #33
    Siuin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭Siuin


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Without oppression organisations like Hamas wouldn't exist.
    Yes, I'm sure it'd be a happy little tea party like the Arabs have in the rest of the Middle East :rolleyes:

    I wonder if Galloway would have walked out if he was debating with a Syrian diplomat.

    Tbh his actions just smack of complete childishness- if he has issues with Israeli policy, then by all means let rip on the guy! After all, isn't that what a debate is? You know... arguing with someone you don't agree with?


  • #34
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Madam_X wrote: »
    The man seems a total bully and bigot.

    How exactly is he a bigot?


  • #35
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Siuin wrote: »
    Yes, I'm sure it'd be a happy little tea party like the Arabs have in the rest of the Middle East :rolleyes:

    I wonder if Galloway would have walked out if he was debating with a Syrian diplomat.

    Tbh his actions just smack of complete childishness- if he has issues with Israeli policy, then by all means let rip on the guy! After all, isn't that what a debate is? You know... arguing with someone you don't agree with?

    The Arab world would be a lot happier if the west didn't stick their oar in every time a democratically elected leader starts doing something for the good of their people and the US and Britain didn't continue to prop up their despotic puppets in the region for the last 50 years.

    The UK and US created the islamic revolution with their over throwing of Mohammad Mosaddegh's government and instilation of their pupper the Shah. They funded the Ba'ath party and supported them until the 90's, they funded their attack of Iran. They funded and propped up Mubarak, they funded and propped up Gadaffi until a few years ago, they funded and propped up Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, thy continue to prop up the Saudi Royal family.

    If the west just kept their ****ing nose out of other peoples business for once, the world would be a much more stable place.


  • #36
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Hamas wouldn't be running the place.

    The Muslim Brotherhood winning the presidential election was a bit of a shocker seeing as they promised not to run.


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  • #37
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Jesus. While I am certainly no fan of many Israeli gov policies and think the country outside the 67 borders is a landgrab(often violent), I'd suggest you read up a little more on history.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=palestine&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQjBAwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHistory_of_Palestine&ei=2i8qUYjSNM-1hAfopoCIBw&usg=AFQjCNFnm1-YjUAeHDEBwTHNVo5fANjwiQ

    "In 1832 Palestine was conquered by Muhammad Ali's Egypt, but in 1840 Britain intervened and returned control of the Levant to the Ottomans in return for further capitulations. The end of the 19th century saw the beginning of Zionist immigration and the Revival of the Hebrew language. Jewish immigration throughout the century created relatively large Jewish concentrations in Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias and Jaffa.[2] The British government issued the pro-Zionist Balfour Declaration of 1917 during World War I. The British captured Jerusalem a month later, and were formally awarded a mandate in 1922. The Arab Palestinians revolted in 1920, 1929 and 1936. In 1947, following World War II and the Holocaust, the British Government announced their desire to terminate the Mandate, and the United Nations General Assembly voted to partition the territory. The Arabs rejected the UN partition plan, and a civil war began immediately, with the State of Israel was declared in 1948. The 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were driven from their homes were unable to return following the Lausanne Conference, 1949. In the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, Israel captured and incorporated more Mandate territory, Jordan captured the region today known as the West Bank and the Gaza Strip was captured by Egypt. In the course of the Six Day War in June 1967, Israel captured the rest of Mandate Palestine from Jordan and Egypt, and began a policy of Israeli settlements. From 1987 to 1993, the First Palestinian Intifada against Israel took place, ending with the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords. In 2000, the Second or Al-Aqsa Intifada began, and Israel built a barrier. Following Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2004, it withdrew all settlers and most of the military presence from the Gaza strip, but maintained control of the air space and coast."


  • #38
    Siuin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭Siuin


    Seaneh wrote: »

    The Arab world would be a lot happier if the west didn't stick their oar in every time a democratically elected leader starts doing something for the good of their people and the US and Britain didn't continue to prop up their despotic puppets in the region for the last 50 years.

    The UK and US created the islamic revolution with their over throwing of Mohammad Mosaddegh's government and instilation of their pupper the Shah. They funded the Ba'ath party and supported them until the 90's, they funded their attack of Iran. They funded and propped up Mubarak, they funded and propped up Gadaffi until a few years ago, they funded and propped up Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, thy continue to prop up the Saudi Royal family.

    If the west just kept their ****ing nose out of other peoples business for once, the world would be a much more stable place.

    The Arab world can't keep blaming their total disregard for democratic values and human life on western intervention and a colonial history. Ireland has an extensive history of occupation but you dont see us hanging homosexuals from the gallows, beheading and stoning people, systematically torturing its citizens or forcing women to dress like walking bin bags


  • #39
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Siuin wrote: »
    torturing, Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, Illegal occupation, Holding 9000+ people with trial, Apartheid Occupation of other peoples lands, Killing children on their way to school, killing teenagers on their way to college, denying people their human rights like freedom of movement, illegally forcing people off their lands


    People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


  • #40
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    smcgiff wrote: »
    The Muslim Brotherhood winning the presidential election was a bit of a shocker seeing as they promised not to run.

    They were well within their rights to run, weren't they?


  • #41
    Nodin
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    ....I had this mad idea the thread was supposed to be about Israel....


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  • #42
    COYW
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    Been a while since we had a good old bout of antisemitism on boards.....


  • #43
    Chuck Stone
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    Siuin wrote: »
    The Arab world can't keep blaming their total disregard for democratic values and human life on western intervention

    They can.


  • #44
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....I had this mad idea the thread was supposed to be about Israel....

    No thread about Israeli is about Israel once the Israeli's and their friends show up, you know that. Instantly becomes about anything BUT Israel because the only way they can even attempt to argue is to deflect and start into rounds of whataboutary becuase even the worlds most obsessed zionist knows they haven't a ****ing leg to stand on when you are talking about the occupation and ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestine, which is the core of the argument.


  • #45
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    COYW wrote: »
    Been a while since we had a good old bout of antisemitism on boards.....

    When has anyone in this thread said anything Anti-Semitic?


    That "come back" is the lowest form of idiocy.


  • #46
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    COYW wrote: »
    Been a while since we had a good old bout of antisemitism on boards.....


    If you see any anti-semtic posts, report them.

    As there appear to be none on this thread, you might explain why you mentioned antisemitism at all....


  • #47
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Seaneh wrote: »
    How exactly is he a bigot?
    Ah the man is clearly hate-filled and irrational. That's not solely the preserve of the right. I don't agree with the Israeli state policy on Palestine either but that doesn't mean I'm gonna be blind to naked hatred like that of GG.
    COYW wrote: »
    Been a while since we had a good old bout of antisemitism on boards.....
    Anti-semitism? Where? Let me know and I'll report it, which I'm sure you have done.


  • #48
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Ah the man is clearly hate-filled and irrational. That's not solely the preserve of the right. I don't agree with the Israeli state policy on Palestine either but that doesn't mean I'm gonna be blind to naked hatred like that of GG.

    Anti-semitism? Where? Let me know and I'll report it, which I'm sure you have done.

    Anti semitism refers to the religion of Judaism, does it? Nothing against them, everybody should follow the religion of his choice. But a political state which invades and occupies a foreign territory? Different story, imo


  • #49
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Nodin wrote: »
    If you see any anti-semtic posts, report them.

    As there appear to be none on this thread, you might explain why you mentioned antisemitism at all....

    Because any discussion of Israel invokes up super-defensive mode - To which people lacking any serious intellect can only throw out words like "antisemitism" as much as possible, in hopes of it sticking.

    There are antisemites in this world, but the word has been abused so much now - It could be used for someone who has a fear of apples.


  • #50
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    I used to, ever since it got a bit bigger round the middle though its just not been the same.

    It's like there's a big wall between us.


  • #51
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,659 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    COYW wrote: »
    Been a while since we had a good old bout of antisemitism on boards.....

    I don't see any comments about the Jewish people. I see people condemning Israels horrific state policies regarding their neighbors and even their own citizens as well as their crimes against humanity.

    Israel =/= Jew


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  • #52
    Siuin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭Siuin


    Chuck Stone wrote: »

    They can.
    Always much easier to blame others for your problems than to actually take charge and make an attempt to enact lasting change and overturn your situation. Whining and bitching about the west will only get you so far. As long as Arabs continue to deflect blame onto others they'll never take responsibility for changing the backwards and bigoted aspects of their own culture


  • #53
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    My position is clear - I think we shouldn't recognize the State of Israel given that the state was formed illegally ? ;)

    Couldnt the same be said regarding Many (all ?) of the states on this earth.

    Do you recognise the United States ?

    Do you recognise Ireland ?


  • #54
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Couldnt the same be said regarding Many (all ?) of the states on this earth.

    Do you recognise the United States ?

    Do you recognise Ireland ?

    Ireland wasn't formed illegally, by any international standard.


  • #55
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Couldnt the same be said regarding Many (all ?) of the states on this earth.

    Do you recognise the United States ?

    Do you recognise Ireland ?

    I think you are stretching it, in your comparison with other countries.


  • #56
    dizzywizlw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭dizzywizlw


    Legally legitimate, ethically unjustifiable and indefensible IMO


    Founded by terrorist by the way, not the IRA kind, the Taleban kind.


  • #57
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Seaneh wrote: »
    That "come back" is the lowest form of idiocy.

    Inhabits the same lowest common denominator ground as the oul' 'west-brit' nonsense imo, a pejorative employed by yourself on occasion.


  • #58
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Inhabits the same lowest common denominator ground as the oul' 'west-brit' nonsense imo, a pejorative employed by yourself on occasion.
    An actual west brit is just as deserving of the title as an actual anti-semite though.

    ;)


  • #59
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Seaneh wrote: »
    An actual west brit is just as deserving of the title as an actual anti-semite though.

    ;)

    You keep it classy Sean


  • #60
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    You keep it classy Sean

    So long as you keep it relevant ;)

    I seem to remember a rule about attacking posts and not posters...


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  • #61
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Seaneh wrote: »
    I seem to remember a rule about attacking posts and not posters...

    All the more need so, to excise piddling epithets from our discourse.


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