UK teen commits suicide after being brought to court over 50p of cannabis

catallus · 24-02-2013 12:37AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Yep cos people who give up booze/cigarettes are never narky :rolleyes:

"Narky" ? You really don't get it. The fact is that withdrawal from cannabis leads to all sorts of negative behaviours: violent outbursts being the main one.

120_Minutes wrote: »

I'm a regular smoker, i've been off it 3 weeks. my mood hasnt changed. oh and with reference to your frankly ignorant earlier post. i chose to smoke weed, and i chose to stop......see that... a choice.

Regular smoker can't tell his mood isn't weird: shocking!

Big Bottom · 24-02-2013 12:37AM

120_Minutes wrote: »

I'm a regular smoker, i've been off it 3 weeks. my mood hasnt changed. oh and with reference to your frankly ignorant earlier post. i chose to smoke weed, and i chose to stop......see that... a choice.

Fair play to you, try and stay off it and I hope your head clears up now that you are free of it.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:38AM

E.S.T. wrote: »

The majority of research into marijuana use is in the US.

That maybe so but alcohol poising stats from the US compared to Ireland are way different, and i mean 310 million american 5 million Irish and we have more of a problem with alcohol than america does prob more death's and alcoholics per head of population too

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 12:39AM

catallus wrote: »

Juice, you can go and do all your own research, thanks. Cannabis fcuks up peoples' brains. It's several times more carcinogenic than tobacco and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. You obviously have your own mind made up about the issue; my advice is to get off drugs for a few months, let the fog rise and the scales fall from your eyes. Saying that it is a "choice" to take mind-bending drugs and ignoring any other argument is a bit of a cop-out: with any luck you'll someday learn that there is more to life and your place in it than insisting that you should be allowed to wire yourself to the moon and seek false illumination from drugs. Your choices have effects on those around you. Instead of talking about your rights, try thinking about your responsibilities.

I would be very careful making accusation about people individually,
I don't take drugs but i will defend those who want to because it is their choice and noone else's. And i don't think they should have their life ruined because of a stupid bigoted law.
The government have a responsibility to help those affected by drug problems.
Thanks i have read the research papers on the subject and made up my mind based on fact reason and logic i don't need to regurgitate the verbal diarrhoea written in the local rag because it is the most popular opinion.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:40AM

catallus wrote: »

"Narky" ? You really don't get it. The fact is that withdrawal from cannabis leads to all sorts of negative behaviours: violent outbursts being the main one.

So your telling me someone off the smokes isn't capible of ripping someone elses head off for no reason?

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:43AM

juice1304 wrote: »

I would be very careful making accusation about people individually,
I don't take drugs but i will defend those who want to because it is their choice and noone else's. And i don't think they should have their life ruined because of a stupid bigoted law.
The government have a responsibility to help those affected by drug problems.
Thanks i have read the research papers on the subject and made up my mind based on fact reason and logic i don't need to regurgitate the verbal diarrhoea written in the local rag because it is the most popular opinion.

I too dont smoke - either weed or tobacco
Im off both 4 years and counting and have no desire to go near either
But when I did smoke has it pissed me off with this cloak and dagger crap with something so insignifficant

120_Minutes · 24-02-2013 12:44AM

Big Bottom wrote: »

Fair play to you, try and stay off it and I hope your head clears up now that you are free of it.

Dont patronise me. my head was never "foggy" and it did not affect my job or relationships with others, and i was not in the "death like grip" of weed.

for your information i'm off it because i want to quit tobacco, which i only smoke when i smoke weed.

jesus tap dancing christ, the ignorance.

catallus · 24-02-2013 12:46AM

juice1304 wrote: »

I would be very careful making accusation about people individually,
I don't take drugs but i will defend those who want to because it is their choice and noone else's. And i don't think they should have their life ruined because of a stupid bigoted law.
The government have a responsibility to help those affected by drug problems.
Thanks i have read the research papers on the subject and made up my mind based on fact reason and logic i don't need to regurgitate the verbal diarrhoea written in the local rag because it is the most popular opinion.

So you're just cheerleading for people to poison themselves with something you've never taken? And as for the government having responsibility to help those affected? No they don't, where are you pulling this from?

dickwod1 wrote: »

So your telling me someone off the smokes isn't capible of ripping someone elses head off for no reason?

No, I'm saying the opposite; seriously, get off the drugs.

120_Minutes · 24-02-2013 12:48AM

catallus wrote: »

"Narky" ? You really don't get it. The fact is that withdrawal from cannabis leads to all sorts of negative behaviours: violent outbursts being the main one.

Regular smoker can't tell his mood isn't weird: shocking!

you really have to be trolling. withdrawal from cannabis has not lead to any violent behaviour on my part, or on the parts of any of my friends that smoke it.

please stop, you have no idea what you're talking about.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:49AM

catallus wrote: »

So your just cheerleading for people to poison themselves with something you've never taken? And as for the government having responsibility to help those affected? No they don't, where are you pulling this from?

No, I'm saying the opposite; seriously, get off the drugs.

What drugs? (see earlier post)

catallus · 24-02-2013 12:51AM

So neither dickwod nor juice smoke cannabis but they're both on her extolling the virtues of it and seem pretty vehement in their desire to see it legalised? I'm missing something here, obviously.

120_Minutes · 24-02-2013 12:53AM

catallus wrote: »

So neither dickwod nor juice smoke cannabis but they're both on her extolling the virtues of it and seem pretty vehement in their desire to see it legalised? I'm missing something here, obviously.

yes, you're missing that some people can be open minded.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:53AM

catallus wrote: »

So neither dickwod nor juice smoke cannabis but they're both on her extolling the virtues of it and seem pretty vehement in their desire to see it legalised? I'm missing something here, obviously.

Yes it seems like your missing brains to me - you should try to get off the drugs mate

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 12:54AM

catallus wrote: »

"Narky" ? You really don't get it. The fact is that withdrawal from cannabis leads to all sorts of negative behaviours: violent outbursts being the main one.

Regular smoker can't tell his mood isn't weird: shocking!

There is no withdrawal from cannabis, the cannabinoids are stored in fat cells when you stop smoking it they are released gradually over the course of a month.
Do you know your body works on an endocannabinoid system and your body creates it's own cannabinoids called anandamide with almost the same molecular structure of Delta 9 Tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol. The cannabonoids work on the CB1 and CB2 receptors and regulate practually everything in your body. Did you know that cannabinoid receptors are the most dense receptors in your body and the only other source of them are found in cannabis. Did you know other than the three psychoactive compounds delta8thc, delta9thc and cbg that there are another fifty sevon other cannabonoids one of them being cannabidiol which is an anti psychotic, powerful Anti-inflammatory substance as well as being anti bacterial, analgesic etc..
You have all obviously read the research before making up your mind though.

Witcher · 24-02-2013 12:55AM

juice1304 wrote: »

And why should he be who did he hurt? whos life did it effect other than his? No one.

I think it is hilarious that people get up on their high horse over here about cannabis when binge drinking is looked upon as fine "sure it's our culture".

He should have been in fear for his hopes to move to the US obviously. I don't give a sh1t what people pump into themselves but for him to have been given a warning for it and then do it again then supposedly fear for his chances to move to the US..I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for him. He was given his chance.

Pointless mentioning binge drinking to me...I don't even drink.

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 12:56AM

catallus wrote: »

So you're just cheerleading for people to poison themselves with something you've never taken? And as for the government having responsibility to help those affected? No they don't, where are you pulling this from?

No, I'm saying the opposite; seriously, get off the drugs.

Cannabis is nontoxic, And i am pulling it from the constitution, ever read it?

120_Minutes · 24-02-2013 12:57AM

juice1304 wrote: »

There is no withdrawal from cannabis, the cannabinoids are stored in fat cells when you stop smoking it they are released gradually over the course of a month.
Do you know your body works on an endocannabinoid system and your body creates it's own cannabinoids called anandamide with almost the same molecular structure of Delta 9 Tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol. The cannabonoids work on the CB1 and CB2 receptors and regulate practually everything in your body. Did you know that cannabinoid receptors are the most dense receptors in your body and the only other source of them are found in cannabis. Did you know other than the three psychoactive compounds delta8thc, delta9thc and cbg that there are another fifty sevon other cannabonoids one of them being cannabidiol which is an anti psychotic other than being a powerful Anti-inflammatory substance as well as being anti bacterial, analgesic etc..
You have all obviously read the research before making up your mind though.

they ignored any post i made that nullified their argument, so i'm quoting you so that they dont accidentally ignore yours too.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:57AM

catallus wrote: »

So neither dickwod nor juice smoke cannabis but they're both on her extolling the virtues of it and seem pretty vehement in their desire to see it legalised? I'm missing something here, obviously.

extolling the virtues of it? when did I?
I never mentioned it whatsoever

dr.fuzzenstein · 24-02-2013 12:58AM

catallus wrote: »

With all of the well publicised pain and misery that is brought about by the main legal drug, alcohol, I can't understand why so many are eager for cannabis to be legalised. If one figures that legalised hash won't bring more untold chaos and destruction to society then all I can say is that they have truly lost any perspective on the potential of people to harm themselves. The reason certain substances are illegal is to protect people from themselves; it is a hard-learned lesson over hundreds of years that people will drink and smoke themselves to death given half a chance and I for one am glad that we live in a society which has the decency to try to protect the young and the idiots among us who are so emotionally and intellectually incontinent that they would dope themselves up with the nearest drug given half a chance.

Well, it being illegal never stopped me from obtaining it, so the law has failed on that point and in fact helped large criminal gangs to become vastly powerful and immensely rich.
This has had the side effect of gang wars and also costs the state billions because it is fighting a war that has been going on for as long as humans have taken intoxicating substances.
So, the law protects no one in this case and only forces users to obtain the stuff from criminals.
The gateway drug argument is bollocks. If you follow that argument to it's logical conclusion, you will find that almost 100% of people went from mother's milk to coffee to beer and then onto canabis and other drugs, so let's ban mother's milk. problem solved!

And my main gripe:
People blame alcohol, gambling, drugs, prostitution and just about every other destructive behavior on the substance or the activity itself. If we just ban everything that is bad for people, the world will be alright?
It won't. People will find other stuff that is bad for them. Banning something is a lazy way of not dealing with the problem. Instead of finding out why people do something that's bad for them, just ban whatever it is they're doing. They'll stop and magically everything will be alright.
It is like trying to outlaw rain, because people are getting wet. It's lazy and idiotic.

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 12:59AM

catallus wrote: »

So neither dickwod nor juice smoke cannabis but they're both on her extolling the virtues of it and seem pretty vehement in their desire to see it legalised? I'm missing something here, obviously.

Yes i have had friends lives destroyed because they made some stupid choices in their youth, And i would rather it not happen to others.
I also don't think anyone has the right to tell me what i can and can't do if i am not hurting anyone.

I would also like to see prostitution legalized to protect the people who do it and to prevent human trafficking. I have never nor will i ever use their services
you can add same sex marriages to the list too.

I guess i should just have someone else make all my decisions for me instead.

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 01:03AM

Blay wrote: »

Pointless mentioning binge drinking to me...I don't even drink.

Nor do i but it is a popular opinion and something to compare it to.

catallus · 24-02-2013 01:05AM

Let's say, tomorrow, cannabis is legalised: what happens?

The criminal gangs are still there, there's still other harder drugs to sell, (let's try the stoners, they're always up for something new!), and even if that doesn't work there's still good old fashioned burglary and robbery and violence and menaces.

A whole new sub-culture is created, whereby young people as young as twelve are being introduced to legally available smoke, much the same as with alcohol now.
Et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 01:07AM

catallus wrote: »

Let's say, tomorrow, cannabis is legalised: what happens?

The criminal gangs are still there, there's still other harder drugs to sell, (let's try the stoners, they're always up for something new!), and even if that doesn't work there's still good old fashioned burglary and robbery and violence and menaces.

A whole new sub-culture is created, whereby young people as young as twelve are being introduced to legally available smoke, much the same as with alcohol now.
Et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

I never heard so much crap before in my life

catallus · 24-02-2013 01:08AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

I never heard so much crap before in my life

Feel free to criticise, what would you add?

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 01:09AM

catallus wrote: »

Feel free to criticise, what would you add?

No - im stopping feeding now - the end

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 01:09AM

catallus wrote: »

Let's say, tomorrow, cannabis is legalised: what happens?

The criminal gangs are still there, there's still other harder drugs to sell, (let's try the stoners, they're always up for something new!), and even if that doesn't work there's still good old fashioned burglary and robbery and violence and menaces.

A whole new sub-culture is created, whereby young people as young as twelve are being introduced to legally available smoke, much the same as with alcohol now.
Et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

So kids can't buy drugs from criminals can they not?

120_Minutes · 24-02-2013 01:20AM

catallus wrote: »

Let's say, tomorrow, cannabis is legalised: what happens?

millions of euros/dollars/pounds - we're talking worldwide here arent we? of revenue are taken away from the criminal underworld, and placed into legal coffers, which can be used as seen fit, much like any other tax.

the cannabis is regulated, properly grown, not tainted by criminals to gain weight, and strains can be grown to suit individuals, much the same as a person might not drink whiskey as its too strong and stick to a few beers. this is a definite boon to medicinal users.

buy legalising, you also legalise hemp, which has up to 20,000 byproducts as an offshoot. did you know that its easier and more efficient to make paper from hemp that from trees? and we all wanna save trees, right?

there will be less people sent to already overcrowded prisons for what is an antiquated and unjust law, which was only passed in the first place as hemp was dangerous to US paper interests, so weed was wrongly seen as a drug that "dangerous black people" did.

i could go on, but these facts.... and they are that, not opinions will do for now.

Chuck Stone · 24-02-2013 01:39AM

catallus wrote: »

I'm missing something here, obviously.

Yes, you certainly are. You're lacking the ability to take an argument on its merits. Also I'd advise you to be careful about who you accuse of criminal activity - you're not anonymous on the internet you know.

What you're not missing is the ability to talk shite about something you obviously have little clue of.

catallus · 24-02-2013 01:40AM

Fair enough 120minutes; you make some arguments in favour of legalisation, but:

Isn't hemp legally cultivated, licenced and distributed worldwide, in the west, anyway? Although in Japan they are talking about banning it due to the massive rise (from 0%) in teenage cannabis use. Anyway aren't hemp products considered antediluvian at this stage?

Most people that are sent to prison for cannabis possession are also indicted for possession of other drugs, or are caught importing massive quantities of it? It's very hard to go to jail for having hash.

The only stuff the hash I ever saw being loaded with was ecstasy or heroin: if you can't tell pure smoke from holding it in your hand then my advice is not to buy.

As for the tax implications? They'll only give it to the bastard bankers!

Antiquated and unjust? that seems to be very opinionated, in my opinion.

Look, I think the idea of police hunting down stoners is ridiculous too. What are they doing: they are trying to stop a bunch of people from getting high, who only want to get high! They should be at something better, and thank god I think a lot of them are. But to say, yeah, let's add hash to the list of sh1t that can legally fcuk people up, then my vote is no.

Chuck Stone · 24-02-2013 01:46AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

I never heard so much crap before in my life

I call it the 'crystal ball of doom' but it's more commonly known as a 'parade of horribles'.

It amounts to 'You can't legalise weed because I can see the future and everything is mad and it wont work (mad indeed)'.

Nervous conservatism.

UK teen commits suicide after being brought to court over 50p of cannabis

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