Inset Stove

In relation to the best inset, this also depends on your budget. I think you should take a run into some stove shops and get some opinions from the sellers on price, quality and finish. Come home and do a review on the net.

One thing I would say, you do get what you pay for and the quality stoves could cost double. When I was going for a stove the top makes for me were Clearview, Charnwood, Morso, Jutol and some more. These are not cheap. I was sticking to these makes purely on the reviews from the net. It then comes down to your budget and the stove you like taking into account your dimensions.

I ended up buying from hurst but i did bargain hard and I was happy in the end. It cost more than I initially budgeted for but we seen something we really liked and we were prepared to pay for it. I could have picked up a stove for just over a 3rd of the cash but didn't based on reviews, quality and design of the stove.

Qualitymark wrote: »

+1 on the Clearview - a beautiful, efficient stove.

What I'd gum for would be the Nestor Martin, a super-efficient Belgian stove, and with the facility to run two hot-air pipes into other rooms to conduct some of the excess warmth to them. Gorgeous, and a really excellent stove. A lot of their models have soapstone slabs as part of the build, so they act as a kind of storage heater too. And so beautiful! http://www.euroheat.co.uk/ImgShare/NM_Inserts/800/396945420IQ13_4Sided_Wide_room.jpg

I was in two minds between the Nestor Martin and a Morso. They were in around the same price and the finish was very similar. I went with Morso based on reviews but the nestor martin was a very close second for me. nice looking stove in your url.

Hi Guys, just wondering does anyone have any experience/opinions on Green stoves 5kw inset stove? My house is a six year old semi detached and the fire place is back to back with the neighbours. Can I literally just slide this stove into the fireplace and lock it in place as per the the instructions and not worry about any flue linings etc? I've read so much about Flue lining in this thread and how important it is I'm wondering how can this Green stove not need anything.

Anybody have any experience with the Stanley cara boiler stove? We're thinking of putting one in.

Thanks to all for all the info.

I am looking at a Stovax 7 inset and seem to be getting conflicting info or maby I am getting it mixed up.

If we get a liner installed, I the liner will be one piece from top of chimney to top of stove & connect to an adaptor on top of stove and this should be sealed with fire cement?

One installer talked about filling behind the stove using a cup, another said to use glassfibre ( or whatever the correct name is for the high heat resistant insulation) around the stove, and of course another said adaptor and no flue (dont think so).

If a register plate is put in for a standard stove I can see how all the insulation would be held in the chimney, but for a inset is it not different?

Should the vermiculite be mixed with cement & pored down the chimney, if so is this mixed 6:1 by weight or volume?

If mixed with cement and pored down chimney, does this mean that the stove is then fixed in solid once insulation sets so that it can never be removed, as I assume it will flow down around the stove somewhat.

If you dont mix with cement how long before the vermiculite fully settles, does it need to be topped up after settling and if you have to remove stove will all this not pour into room?

I would prefer to learn for your experience rather than from mine my mistakes:)

I looked at the Stovax installer guide and it says to
Fill the void at the back of the box with 6:1 vermiculite/cement mix or any other good non-combustible insulation material. It is important to insulate the back, top and side of the box.

If this is done using the vermiculite/cement mix, is the stove now cemented into the opening & permanently fixed in?

My chimney is a typical fireplace with a standard 16” fireplace and fireback etc, it is about 15yrs old and never used, it has an 8” lining in the chimney and there is a smoke gatherer in place, so if the insulation is poured down from top it will flow the whole way down and surround the stove again is the stove not permanently fixed? While it will be good for insulation does this not lock you into the install & make any sort of adjustment almost impossible?

Is this the way it should be or is there a better way?

Hi Folks,

I have read through this section with great interest and see there is a huge knowledge base here. My problem is I am having trouble deciding on which stove to buy and want to get it right.

Here are my cryteria. 1. It has to be an insert stove. 2. It has to have a back boiler.

Here is the house facts. 7 rads. sitting room which the stove will be in is tiny, so must be able to 'divert' most of the heat to rads/water. The key to this is that we don't get roasted out of the sitting room,

I am no expert but the one we are drawn to is the Waterford stanley Cara Insert Stove. (does not to be too powerful)

If anyone has had any experience with these go or bad I would love to know or of there is another option that the experts would like to recommend I would be open to suggestons.

Thanks in advance
Tinder

We have recently fitted one of these stoves (12Kw). They also have a 9Kw.

http://www.stratfordboilerstoves.co.uk/models/inset-stoves.html

Also looked at the one you mentioned but decided against it after talking to one or 2 people who had them in.

Ours looks great and heats the house no problems. If it's a tiny sitting room then you can always turn off the rad in there and the stove heat will be nice.
If you are used to an open fire then one thing we found is that it's a different heat in that the whole house is toasty and you don't get a blast of heat in the living room and the red face from sitting in front of the fire, and feel cold then once you go to another room. (As someone said recenty it's like 'hospital heat', nice all round!!:D

We fitted it in January and have not had the oil on since. Heating house and hot water for half a bucket of smokeless coal and 5 or 6 logs from mid afternoon till bed time. (about €15/week.)
We only run downstairs rads off it which is 10 rads.

batman1 wrote: »

We have recently fitted one of these stoves (12Kw). They also have a 9Kw.

http://www.stratfordboilerstoves.co.uk/models/inset-stoves.html

Also looked at the one you mentioned but decided against it after talking to one or 2 people who had them in.

Ours looks great and heats the house no problems. If it's a tiny sitting room then you can always turn off the rad in there and the stove heat will be nice.
If you are used to an open fire then one thing we found is that it's a different heat in that the whole house is toasty and you don't get a blast of heat in the living room and the red face from sitting in front of the fire, and feel cold then once you go to another room. (As someone said recenty it's like 'hospital heat', nice all round!!:D

We fitted it in January and have not had the oil on since. Heating house and hot water for half a bucket of smokeless coal and 5 or 6 logs from mid afternoon till bed time. (about €15/week.)
We only run downstairs rads off it which is 10 rads.

Thanks Paddy,
We have more or less decided to go with the Hanley Achill (with boiler) it has 3k to the room the rest going to water and rads, we looked at that one too but felt there would be too much heat from it, I know funny complaint... Hopefully putting it in in three weeks time. (I know this stove is not on their site but I have seen it in the flesh...

I'm not familiar with the Harmony oil stove however like most heat producing equipment I would expect this to want to operate at full output all the time as the return temperatures from such a large number of rads will always be low compared to the five rads it was designed for.

Every output of energy requires an input (in this case oil) to be converted to heat, I suggest that you look up the technical sheets for the stove where it should show how much oil it burns at full output then compare the figure with that required by your boiler to see which is the most efficient for your situation.

For example if the stove burns 2.5 litres of oil per hour without achieving a decent temperature for your rads but the oil boiler burns 3.5 litres per hour and hearts the whole house to me that suggests the oil boiler is more efficient giving you full value for the money spent on fuel.

You may get better value all round by using heating controls like zoning and good quality TRV's before adding extra heat producing appliances to what may be an already inefficient heating system.
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positron wrote: »

Dilbert, Thanks a million for the link, looks like a brilliant stove with great reviews all around. I rechecked the inner metal frame, and it looks like it's 400mm or may be even couple of mm less than that - so I doubt the 405mm Clearview would fit into that. I will re-measure again tonight - just hoping..!



Thanks sooty_soupy, they do look well. The local fireplaces person also suggested something similar, although he didn't say if I can save the outer metal design or not, but he said it would cost me about 200 to get that done, on top of the inset stove (and that the inset stove - a Tripp - doesn't require any flue lining or anything etc too) - over all he 'guesstimated' it to be around 800 euro, including the stove and installation.

However, if I am going that far, would it cost me much more to remove all of the fireplace that's there, and get an inset stove fitted flush to the wall, like in this picture for example?

Thanks again for all your comments and suggestions so far - invaluable really!

Hi positron. I would really like to know what type of stove you went with in the end as our fireplace is almost exactly like yours, with the same measurements (& has the antiquey, arch thingy!). We are looking to get an inset stove also & do not wish to change the fireplace in any way if we can help it. Could you please let me know the make & model of stove you went with in the end & also what work needed to be done to install it? Would really appreciate a response of you have the time. Thanks.

Question for the experts,

I got a Riva 66 landscape fitted two years ago this Christmas and it's been great in that time, last week went to light it and smoke poured into the room, tried a few times since and the same.its appears it's not getting oxygen for combustion as even if you put just firelight ears into it they will go out 30secs after closing the door.I was thinking it was a chimney blockage but airs drawn in from room ??.i even pulled the ash pan to give fuel a direct source of air bit still snuffed out and filled room with smoke

I was advised I didn't need a s/s flue on installation which appears to be wrong going by this long thread ??

Anyone else have this issue ??