Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

LordSutch wrote: »

Problem is then, where do you draw the line?

Lets say the CIRA plant a Bomb in a Belfast pub tomorrow, is that legit? or is that the beginning of a just rebellion in the name of the Irish people?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying its justified in any way,just pointing out they don't really care whether they have the backing of the majority of people or not.

LordSutch wrote: »

Hindsight is a great thing, but at the time of the Troubles, as the murders, knee cappings & mass bombings were taking place, the Shinners were in the ha'penny place, (with the SDLP in the ascendency), and it was only after the Republican movement took the political route that SF began to garner wider support in Northern Ireland.

I feel sorry for the SDLP who did so much, but who ultimately ran out of steam (I guess)? & got sidetracked.

^^ Revisionism at it's most lunatic.
How where you going to get an indication of how popular republicanism was until they took to the ballot box? Get the BBC to do a poll? :pac::pac:

The SDLP got it wrong and suffered for it at the polls. The people of the North know what was and have always known, what is at the root of the problem. But the revisionists cling on regardless.

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

By your logic the sdlp should be where the sinn Fein are,but they are not.

Do you not wonder why sinn Fein have this support?

I remember the clever tricks they played, I remember well when Seamus Mallon & John Hume were being made to look quite ordinary and even stale by comparrison to the Newly de'comissioned' Shinners Adams & McGuinness (who admittedly played a blinder) by stealing the clothes/ideas off the backs of the SDLP, who just seemed to grind to a halt, & run out of ideas.

But I still say that Sinn Fein only got major large scale support across the Northern
nationalist community 'after' they dropped the Armalite, in favour of the ballot box.

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

I am awfully amused that you think refusing to glorify the Provisional IRA is a source of shame.

That´s neither what I was saying nor what I meant. The point is, that you exclude Irishmen from being commemorated because they were living in some kind of "a war zone" in which normal civil rules are posponed, as it is in every war zone on this planet. You´re excluding them just for what they have been in general and not for what they´ve done or not done without any proof of it. It´s their membership that leads you to condemnation and you´re refusing to take into account whether some of them committed an terrorist act or were simply killed for being an Irishman or supposed member of the PIRA. I know you disagree on such matters - also in general terms -.

The shame lies on those who are excluding their fellowmen without proved evidences of crimes. That´s what I mean.

Of course, you can be amused if it pleases you.

LordSutch wrote: »

I remember the clever tricks they played, I remember well when Seamus Mallon & John Hume were being made to look quite ordinary and even stale by comparrison to the Newly de'comissioned' Shinners Adams & McGuinness (who admittedly played a blinder) by stealing the clothes/ideas off the backs of the SDLP, who just seemed to grind to a halt, & run out of ideas.

But I still say that Sinn Fein only got major large scale support across the Northern
nationalist community 'after' they dropped the Armalite, in favour of the ballot box.

That´s what I call political progress and they were right to do so. Politics is a fiels of competition and those who are better in this, are the winners. Such are politics to put it very simply.

LordSutch wrote: »

Hindsight is a great thing, but at the time of the Troubles, as the murders, knee cappings & mass bombings were taking place, the Shinners were in the ha'penny place, (with the SDLP in the ascendency), ..............

....because of the support of two governments. Divide and conquer, as ever.

LordSutch wrote: »

I remember the clever tricks they played, I remember well when Seamus Mallon & John Hume were being made to look quite ordinary and even stale by comparrison to the Newly de'comissioned' Shinners Adams & McGuinness (who admittedly played a blinder) by stealing the clothes/ideas off the backs of the SDLP, who just seemed to grind to a halt, & run out of ideas.

No, I'd say they looked stale all by their own efforts. Hume should have stepped aside years before he did, but left it too late.

Murphj7 wrote: »

Yawn. This is a discussion not for children

His suggestion is about as relevant as this SF crap.

Murphj7 wrote: »

You know Sinn Fein has moved onwards and upwards the begrudgers are stuck in the past

See post #24

topper75 wrote: »

Potentially a great day for boozehounds.
For struggling small businesses looking to keep their nose over the waterline... not so much.

Lets abolish Bank Holidays, yes?:rolleyes:

Big Bottom wrote: »

Good idea from my point of view.

SF have a lot of haters among people with brains.

FYP

I don't see a problem with celebrating a day celebrating our freedom from colonialism. What's wrong with that?

gurramok wrote: »

I don't see a problem with celebrating a day celebrating our freedom from colonialism.
What's wrong with that?

Suggest you read post#69.

LordSutch wrote: »

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Suggest you read post#69.

Post 69 says by yourself

I don't know about fitting in an anniversary which would include the glorification of the Provisional IRA and their deeds . . . . . . .

Now if they left out the Provo's, it might (would) be a little more appetising for many more people

What's that got to do with 1916?