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Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

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  • #212
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,397 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Anyone who says the Old IRA were any different to the Provos are living proof why this country failed as a State. The only difference between them was the emeny weren't gonna be as easy target in 1970 as they were in 1920, weapons technology had moved on too.

    Both organisations were a murder machine and an indiscriminate one at that.

    There's nothing worse than a hypocrite who thinks Warrington was any worse than what happened at Altnaveigh imo.

    This proposal is a bad idea full stop.


  • #213
    oldyouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    In whose name where the Unionists and British supressing and discriminating against our fellow countymen and women?
    Yours?
    .
    Yep, equally as bad and I would be saying the same in a similar Unionist thread, if there was one. Doesn't mean anything the IRA did was acceptable


  • #214
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    oldyouth wrote: »
    Yep, equally as bad and I would be saying the same in a similar Unionist thread, if there was one. Doesn't mean anything the IRA did was acceptable

    And you're in the middle watching, saying and doing nothing, but long as you have your peace and freedom, what the hell eh?


  • #215
    oldyouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    And you're in the middle watching, saying and doing nothing, but long as you have your peace and freedom, what the hell eh?
    As long as I don't kill or maim anyone, I am at peace, yes


  • #216
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Unlikely that they would considering they are a political party and not a bunch of scientists. Even if they did support the mixing of a lot of chemicals and elements in Enniskillen, Warrington, Brighton etc, etc...

    Template Sinn Fein response #2374. Yawn.
    Enniskillen, Warrington, jean McConville, jerry mcCabe, bring em all up, but whatever you do dont address the issue, for God's sake dont address the issue.

    Like I said, we deserve everything we get.


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  • #217
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    oldyouth wrote: »
    As long as I don't kill or maim anyone, I am at peace, yes

    A lot have been killed and maimed because the right people didn't say or do anything to try and stop it, which makes them accessories. 'Evil thrives when good men'.....etc etc etc.
    Enjoy your 'peace', but the fact you are on here means it's not really much of a peace after all, does it?
    There's still plenty to be done to secure a lasting peace, remains to be seen who is up for the job.


  • #218
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    i have a mad idea...let's forget the past?


  • #219
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    0ph0rce0 wrote: »

    I'm not really into politics and i vote for whoever i think is best for me.

    Do you always make high-horse pronouncements on things you don't really care about?


  • #220
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    i have a mad idea...let's forget the past?

    Bad idea. Irish history tends to be cyclical.
    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
    We dont need to forget the past, we need to address it.


  • #221
    DyldeBrill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Who could say no to another bank holiday!

    Personally I think its a good idea to have an Independence day. I'd like my children to know the ins and outs of our struggle as a country and this day would somewhat highlight the struggle that we once had!


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  • #222
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Template Sinn Fein response #2374. Yawn.
    Enniskillen, Warrington, jean McConville, jerry mcCabe, bring em all up, but whatever you do dont address the issue, for God's sake dont address the issue.

    Like I said, we deserve everything we get.


    Don't address the issue? The issue that i disagree with S.F.'s latest rabble rousing idea that will celebrate and honour the lives of those who died for a greater good and raise up a bunch of murdering drug dealing thugs to the same level?

    Of course i disagree with it. For the pure and simple reason that it places men like Jerry McCabe at the same level as those who would have murdered him


  • #223
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Don't address the issue? The issue that i disagree with S.F.'s latest rabble rousing idea that will celebrate and honour the lives of those who died for a greater good and raise up a bunch of murdering drug dealing thugs to the same level?

    Of course i disagree with it. For the pure and simple reason that it places men like Jerry McCabe at the same level as those who would have murdered him

    You are well named.

    Here's what you said.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83343208&postcount=201

    You clearly have no intention of addressing any issue SF raises as you instantly dismiss it on the basis that Sinn Fein raised it.
    Not only is this ignorant and unwise, it's anti-democratic.
    Im sure you'll dig deep into your big bag of troubles cliches for your response.


  • #224
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    DyldeBrill wrote: »
    Who could say no to another bank holiday!

    Personally I think its a good idea to have an Independence day. I'd like my children to know the ins and outs of our struggle as a country and this day would somewhat highlight the struggle that we once had!

    SF don't want an independence day, they want a day to support their political ideology.


  • #225
    Thomas_I
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Thomas_I


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    SF don't want an independence day, they want a day to support their political ideology.

    If the other Irish parties like FF, FG and Labour would just be that half committed to Irelands past it wouldn´t be the case that just SF is that strong associated to "Republicanism" as SF is. Some people like to have SF as the bogeyman of Ireland.

    I´ve had some vitists on the websites of these other parties, including the Green Party of Ireland, what they´ve on their agendas is as half that interesting or boring as what SF has on her.

    If SF has some benefits from that "Republic Day" let them have it, the intention of this suggestion is to give the people one day more off in a year and to inspire them that they might take a few minutes to think of their country´s past and what has been sacrified then to have this Republic of Ireland. As imperfect as it is, but I can´t believe that the British ever had given Ireland its freedom as a gift. Neither then nor now.

    A few minutes of remembrance in exchange for a day off and a party happy about to bring it on, that´s not too much on demands or even on enduring for those arguing that the initiative came from the "wrong side".


  • #226
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    SF don't want an independence day, they want a day to support their political ideology.

    An independent Irish Republic? isnt that the ideology of all the main political parties down south?


  • #227
    Thomas_I
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Thomas_I


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    An independent Irish Republic? isnt that the ideology of all the main political parties down south?

    Have a look on their websites and check their agendas, it won´t take long and after I´ve done so, it´s clear to me why SF is left alone with advocating this idea. The others doesn´t seem to be that interested in an independent Irish Republic, they´re more interested in laboring on some other policies.

    There is another point in all these debates on Ireland. Some people´s posts shows that they didn´t have to endure discrimination and to stand their ground for being Irish, it´s like a normality to them just like the air they breath. The people from NI have different views on this is because they know what it is like to be discriminated and SF is obiously the only party in Ireland who really cares about them. That´s also an result or "something of an normality" from the decades of partition.


  • #228
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Great idea. We could call it the Northern Bank day.


  • #229
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    We already have an independent Irish republic.


  • #230
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Crooked Jack wrote: »

    An independent Irish Republic? isnt that the ideology of all the main political parties down south?

    So why not have independence day?

    SF want it to relate to their campaign and show they are the only true republicans.

    They want Sinn Fein day, not a national day.


  • #231
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Don't address the issue? The issue that i disagree with S.F.'s latest rabble rousing idea that will celebrate and honour the lives of those who died for a greater good and raise up a bunch of murdering drug dealing thugs to the same level?

    Of course i disagree with it. For the pure and simple reason that it places men like Jerry McCabe at the same level as those who would have murdered him

    The men of 1916 had no quibbles targetting the forces of the contemporary law and order either and what 'level' are they on?
    Gerry McCabe's death, was, at best, a mistake and at worst the victim of a renegade unsanctioned act. (what army doesn't have their renegades and thugs? I'd like you to have a go at answering that question) SF said that at the time and has since apologised for it. Before you climb back on your horse, consider the fact that it took the British 40 or more years to apologise for causing the single biggest recruitment for the IRA in Derry, they still haven't apologised or brought to book those who carried out Bloody Sunday, they still haven't brought to book, nor apologised to the McAnespie family for shooting their son, brother etc Aidan in the back on his way from a football match and still haven't dealt with a myriad of other similar events that happened. Where the wonderful, upstanding, moral, concerned citizens (like yourself) of this country asking for that to be addressed when Mrs Winsdor, was here? She is their commander in chief after all.
    Let the man rest in peace and stop using him for your sickening hypocritical retribution.


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  • #232
    Thomas_I
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Thomas_I


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So why not have independence day?

    SF want it to relate to their campaign and show they are the only true republicans.

    They want Sinn Fein day, not a national day.

    What independence day, which day would that be? Pick one of the marking days on Irelands way to the Republic from 1916 to 1949.

    No wonder that they are perceived as the only true republicans in Ireland because from the other parties one has nothing more to expect than just "lip service".

    You´re setting out some trap by "They want Sinn Féin day". It is to thank some opinions like yours when this is perceived in that way in the public, you´re doing them more favour in this than you even ever wanted to do. They can spare much energy for their own propaganda, others will do it for them.

    In the first place they want a national bank holiday and their opponents turn this proposal into an "Sinn Féin day".


  • #233
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Thomas_I wrote: »
    Have a look on their websites and check their agendas, it won´t take long and after I´ve done so, it´s clear to me why SF is left alone with advocating this idea. The others doesn´t seem to be that interested in an independent Irish Republic, they´re more interested in laboring on some other policies.

    There is another point in all these debates on Ireland. Some people´s posts shows that they didn´t have to endure discrimination and to stand their ground for being Irish, it´s like a normality to them just like the air they breath. The people from NI have different views on this is because they know what it is like to be discriminated and SF is obiously the only party in Ireland who really cares about them. That´s also an result or "something of an normality" from the decades of partition.

    Just because people are critics of SF/PIRA doesn't mean that they don't understand what occurred in the North or support Unionism.

    Plus not every Catholic that grew up in the North (I know plenty) supports SF/PIRA.

    It's this kind of self-aggrandizing with-us-or-against-us horse shit that makes people hate SF even more.


  • #234
    Thomas_I
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Thomas_I


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    We already have an independent Irish republic.

    Yes, a 2/3 independent Irish Republic because the other part is ...


  • #235
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Thomas_I wrote: »
    Yes, a 2/3 independent Irish Republic because the other part is ...

    ......a devolved statelet full of nut cases that the Brits probably regret ever setting eyes on.


  • #236
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Thomas_I wrote: »
    You´re setting out some trap by "They want Sinn Féin day".

    SF kind of created that trap themselves by saying it should commemorate the Provisional IRA. In that context, how could it be anything other than Sinn Fein Day?


  • #237
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Thomas_I wrote: »
    Yes, a 2/3 independent Irish Republic because the other part is ...

    I don't regard Northern Ireland as being part of the Irish republic.


  • #238
    Thomas_I
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Thomas_I


    anncoates wrote: »
    Just because people are critics of SF/PIRA doesn't mean that they don't understand what occurred in the North or support Unionism.

    Plus not every Catholic that grew up in the North (I know plenty) supports SF/PIRA.

    It's this kind of self-aggrandizing with-us-or-against-us horse shit that makes people hate SF even more.

    All this talking about SF is beyond rational critics because it refers to them in very generalizing terms and I´ve seldom come across any particular critics on their agenda, it´s most the same like your post.

    It´s more than just to "understand what occured in the North or support Unionism", it´s also to acknowledge that those in NI supporting SF were left without another option and were also left to those who really helped them and still care about them. There hasn´t been much to choose for them. They weren´t living in the safe haven of the Republic or Ireland, they grew up in a country like a "war zone" for decades.


  • #239
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    What's the economic cost of a bank holiday? It's not like we have bucket loads of cash to feed this socialist agenda.


  • #240
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    I don't regard Northern Ireland as being part of the Irish republic.
    Even more then that, the name of this state is Ireland so technically the north isn't even part of Ireland! :eek: Let's see the Gerrys get round that one. :cool:


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  • #241
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    realies wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0221/368919-sinn-fein-republic-day/

    Sinn Féin has published legislation that would create an extra bank holiday, to be called "Republic Day".

    Asked if that included members of the Provisional IRA who died in the course of the Troubles, Mr Ó Snodaigh said it did.

    And there you have it, the whole idea has been strangled at birth due to the inclusion & commemoration of the modern day (pre 97') Terrorist.


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