Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

Judgement Day · 22-02-2013 10:46AM

RUSTEDCORE wrote: »

I dont need to let it go ive never cared...give England the rest or sell it to china I really dont care... I just have to say somthing when someone is being absolutely ridiculous. I have never really thought about the IRA much until an American asked me about them over xbox live.

He asked me about what england did and I explained how they invaded and colonised. He then asked why in movies like a 007 he had seen where the IRA called terrorists.. I said in my opinion they are not and it is simply Britain slandering their enemy. sure if they bombed to cause fear as a way of getting what they want then by definition its terrorism... but they bombed an enemy they had been at war with for hundreds of years and who (or should I say whom) had committed terrifying atrocities for the singular purpose of getting what they wanted.

Two wrongs dont make a right but only Britain claims that the IRA are a terrorist organization and even then they admit its only the post 1960,s provisional splinter group.

Any way you look at it Britain attacked - Ireland defended
Britain where in the wrong and should be apologetic.
Loyalists by all means remember your dead ancestors but know that they were on the immoral side of a war and what happened to them is due to their government and their own participation in it.

This is a fact

It's not surprising foreigners have such odd ideas about Ireland when people like yourself who have a very basic knowledge of history attempt to explain things to them. Poor Yank - it will be a long time before he goes on his xbox again!

anncoates · 22-02-2013 10:46AM

RUSTEDCORE wrote: »

whats a few bombs to hundreds of years of rape and murder of an entire country.

An awful fucking lot if you or somebody you know if standing beside one of them.

Happyman42 · 22-02-2013 10:47AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

They'd be better off trying to think of ways to reduce health care waiting lists or getting us out of the fiscal mire that we're in.

Like the way Enda and the boys are looking after those things???
Anyway, there's plenty of nice shiny 'ospidals in the North that'd we'd get!

Valetta · 22-02-2013 10:48AM

RUSTEDCORE wrote: »

Two wrongs dont make a right but only Britain claims that the IRA are a terrorist organization and even then they admit its only the post 1960,s provisional splinter group.

Wrong.

I and thousands of other Irish people claim that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

Getting back to the OP, Aengus O'Snodaigh is nothing but a thug in a suit, so I wouldn't pay any attention to his self serving notions.

anncoates · 22-02-2013 10:50AM

Valetta wrote: »

Aengus O'Snodaigh is nothing but a thug in a suit, so I wouldn't pay any attention to his self serving notions.

Not to mention the aural war crimes committed by his brother.

RUSTEDCORE · 22-02-2013 10:58AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

It's not surprising foreigners have such odd ideas about Ireland when people like yourself who have a very basic knowledge of history attempt to explain things to them. Poor Yank - it will be a long time before he goes on his xbox again!

would you consider a knowledge of the normans pre-dating 1169 up to a knowledge of current proposed arguments a very basic knowledge

Dont talk to me if your gonna make assumptions and not base anything in fact/logic.

RUSTEDCORE · 22-02-2013 11:00AM

Valetta wrote: »

Wrong.

I and thousands of other Irish people claim that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

Getting back to the OP, Aengus O'Snodaigh is nothing but a thug in a suit, so I wouldn't pay any attention to his self serving notions.

I was referring to national/multi-national organisations.

I dont care what your opinion is I cant force you to be right

Valetta · 22-02-2013 11:04AM

RUSTEDCORE wrote: »

I was referring to national/multi-national organisations.

I dont care what your opinion is I cant force you to be right

The Irish government regard the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

Are they national/multi-national enough for you?

anncoates · 22-02-2013 11:05AM

RUSTEDCORE wrote: »

I dont care what your opinion is I cant force you to be right

This should be stickied as the basic idealogical kernel of Sinn Fein/Provo demagoguery.

RUSTEDCORE · 22-02-2013 11:08AM

Valetta wrote: »

The Irish government regard the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

Are they national/multi-national enough for you?

there is no official documents on that matter other than the modern IRA being an illegal organisation.

I based my statement broadly upon UN members and the EU.

Valetta · 22-02-2013 11:10AM

RUSTEDCORE wrote: »

there is no official documents on that matter other than the modern IRA being an illegal organisation.

I based my statement broadly upon UN members and the EU.

Stop it please.

I'm dizzy trying to chase those goalposts around.

Happyman42 · 22-02-2013 11:22AM

Valetta wrote: »

The Irish government regard the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

The IRA don't exist anymore, the government seem to be able to accept that when Enda is out and about abroad doing the tearful 'Father Of the Nation' act, glad handing and raking in the Peace and Reconciliation booty and the kudos but then can't engage without the taunts and juvenile namecalling when in our Dail.
They'll sit on their partitionist hands on these issues until the lid comes off again, as it will always do on this island. Then they'll sit back and come up with their trite labels for those involved.

oldyouth · 22-02-2013 11:33AM

Murphj7 wrote: »

Time to move on. Sinn Fein has but you havent.

So Sinn Fein have decided to move on have they? Ah that's great.

They've decided to put blatant murder to the back of their minds and get on normal life. Decided to ignore the 100's of families torn apart, the generations who had to flee their own country in order to safeguard their families. Chosen to move on from the fact that they were instrumental in causing generations to miss out on normal childhoods by being afraid to play in the streets and parks, of having young people miss out on the normal entitlement of being able to go in to their towns and cities at night to socialise. Decided to move on from the fact that their actions caused the whole island to miss out on industrial investment from overseas and the jobs that brings. But mostly, they want to move on from the fact that they finally realised that ordinary decent people never wanted their actions to be carried out in their name

FoxT · 22-02-2013 11:38AM

I am not at all in favour of a 'republic day'.

The shinners and others have done a magnificent job of placing the 1916 rebellion in popular consciousness as the spark that lit the cause of republican freedom. Signatories to the proclamation have achieved the status of martyrdom in come circles.

All of this ignores the efforts, say , of Redmond's Irish Volunteers (100,000 + of them), Parnell, O'Connell, Wolfe Tone, etc. The only difference between these people & the people who fought in 1916 & the subsequent war of independence, is that, through no fault of their own, they were unsuccessful.

Yet, they made the same sacrifices, and should not be ignored.

In addition - to say we have fewer public holidays than the European average does not wash at all. As a country that relies heavily on FDI for job creation, we should not be striving to increase the number of national holidays - Indeed, we should be striving to keep the number of national holidays below the European average.

We have enough public Holidays. We should perhaps, consider designating one of the existing 'anonymous' August or October holidays as a holiday to commemorate all who have fought & died to help make Ireland a better place - whether they did so in Stephen's Green, or the Somme.

Happyman42 · 22-02-2013 11:53AM

oldyouth wrote: »

So Sinn Fein have decided to move on have they? Ah that's great.

They've decided to put blatant murder to the back of their minds and get on normal life. Decided to ignore the 100's of families torn apart, the generations who had to flee their own country in order to safeguard their families. Chosen to move on from the fact that they were instrumental in causing generations to miss out on normal childhoods by being afraid to play in the streets and parks, of having young people miss out on the normal entitlement of being able to go in to their towns and cities at night to socialise. Decided to move on from the fact that their actions caused the whole island to miss out on industrial investment from overseas and the jobs that brings. But mostly, they want to move on from the fact that they finally realised that ordinary decent people never wanted their actions to be carried out in their name

In whose name where the Unionists and British supressing and discriminating against our fellow countymen and women?
Yours?
Must have been, saying as you have decided to ignore what caused the emergence of the IRA in the first place. Everybody on these islands had their part to play in what happened, however much you try to shirk the responsibility.

Thomas_I · 22-02-2013 11:57AM

realies wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0221/368919-sinn-fein-republic-day/

Sinn Féin has published legislation that would create an extra bank holiday, to be called "Republic Day".
Party spokesperson Aengus Ó Snodaigh said the holiday would be on 24 April, the anniversary of the reading of the 1916 Proclamation outside the GPO by Padraig Pearse.
Mr Ó Snodaigh said this would bring Ireland, which currently has nine bank holidays, closer to the European average of 11.
He said the holiday would mark the sacrifice of men and women who gave their lives in pursuit of an independent Irish Republic.
Asked if that included members of the Provisional IRA who died in the course of the Troubles, Mr Ó Snodaigh said it did.

Well would you be in favor of having such a day ?

After hours answer, I would, anything for an extra paid day of.

Serious answer, Cant see it happening especially as it includes P IRA members. But I would be in favor of it.

A good idea to have an "Republic Day" bank holiday. As for the PIRA members, one can´t exclude them because - like it or not - they´re part of Irish Republicanism and a bank holiday is for all not just for a section of the public. Those rejecting the commemoration of them, can easily stay away from such ceremonies, nobody is forced to attend.

Thomas_I · 22-02-2013 12:04PM

Icemancometh wrote: »

Whatever about the historical significance, it's the wrong time of the year. Too close to may bank holiday and Easter.

The day of that bank holiday is fixed and not every 24th April in a year matches with Easter.

Crooked Jack · 22-02-2013 12:05PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

A sh*t-stirring, unnecessary and time wasting excercise by SF.

They'd be better off trying to think of ways to reduce health care waiting lists or getting us out of the fiscal mire that we're in.

They do, routinely, and people regularly ignore them on the basis that sinn fein came up with them. With that attitude this country deserves every bit of misery we get

recyclebin · 22-02-2013 12:05PM

I don't care what they call it but I would love a bank holiday in February. It's two and half harsh winter months between New Years and Paddys Day and I could do with a break.

Can we introduce emergency legislation to have next Monday off?

Please Enda, give something back to the people!

knucklehead6 · 22-02-2013 12:09PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

They do, routinely, and people regularly ignore them on the basis that sinn fein came up with them. With that attitude this country deserves every bit of misery we get

Seems like as good a reason as any to me.

Crooked Jack · 22-02-2013 12:21PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Seems like as good a reason as any to me.

A perfect example of the masochistic pigheadedness of some people in this country. If Sinn Fein came up with a cure for cancer you probably wouldnt use it.

Yamanoto · 22-02-2013 12:28PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

A good idea to have an "Republic Day" bank holiday. As for the PIRA members, one can´t exclude them because - like it or not - they´re part of Irish Republicanism and a bank holiday is for all not just for a section of the public. Those rejecting the commemoration of them, can easily stay away from such ceremonies, nobody is forced to attend.

Right that's decided so, thanks for the chat lads & let's all enjoy our day off. :pac:

Happyman42 · 22-02-2013 12:29PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

If Sinn Fein came up with a cure for cancer you probably wouldnt use it.

Off course they would use it, they're selfish remember, but they'd blame SF for causing it in the first place!

knucklehead6 · 22-02-2013 12:32PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

A perfect example of the masochistic pigheadedness of some people in this country. If Sinn Fein came up with a cure for cancer you probably wouldnt use it.

Unlikely that they would considering they are a political party and not a bunch of scientists. Even if they did support the mixing of a lot of chemicals and elements in Enniskillen, Warrington, Brighton etc, etc...

Chips Lovell · 22-02-2013 12:34PM

If only they'd used their scientific powers for good and not evil. Think of what could have been accomplished.

GRMA · 22-02-2013 12:38PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

A good idea to have an "Republic Day" bank holiday. As for the PIRA members, one can´t exclude them because - like it or not - they´re part of Irish Republicanism and a bank holiday is for all not just for a section of the public. Those rejecting the commemoration of them, can easily stay away from such ceremonies, nobody is forced to attend.

There are commemorations for PIRA members nearly every week all across the country, nothing will change in that regard.

Basically what this will mean is that we will have a day off and a board will organize events about 1916 all across the country. The govt will control who is on the board too

Whats not to like?

Happyman42 · 22-02-2013 12:39PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Unlikely that they would considering they are a political party and not a bunch of scientists. Even if they did support the mixing of a lot of chemicals and elements in Enniskillen, Warrington, Brighton etc, etc...

Enda's on thread! Where's the kleenex.

Thomas_I · 22-02-2013 12:45PM

GRMA wrote: »

There are commemorations for PIRA members nearly every week all across the country, nothing will change in that regard.

Basically what this will mean is that we will have a day off and a board will organize events about 1916 all across the country. The govt will control who is on the board too

Whats not to like?

It´s obviously that some people appear to have some problems with all suggestions that come from SF, just because of SF. That´s what I got from reading some posts on this thread. Your suggestions won´t change their mind.

Chips Lovell · 22-02-2013 12:47PM

GRMA wrote: »

Whats not to like?

I think people have made it very clear that this is what's not to like:

Asked if that included members of the Provisional IRA who died in the course of the Troubles, Mr Ó Snodaigh said it did.

And I think if a member of Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, Labour or the Greens had said the same, they would have had a problem with it too, so the fact that SF is coming out with it isn't what they've a problem with.

0ph0rce0 · 22-02-2013 12:53PM

I hate these threads.

I'm not really into politics and i vote for whoever i think is best for me.

But my family work for Sinn Fein and the ****e people come out with on this forum is absolute nonsense, I'm guessing all the people who spout so much ****e do not know any of these people. Half the stuff you say and come out with is not true or utter bull.

Its Silly :rolleyes:

Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

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