Is multiculturalism wanted??

VEN · 21-02-2013 01:05AM

Johro wrote: »

Many Irish will insist you drink. ''You're not having one?? Ah go on.. Here I'll buy ya a pint.. Ah sure why not.. Jaysis sure you'll have a drink...
HAVE A FUCKIN DRINK YA WEIRDO!!!!''

and many non-Irish oh so do take advantage of that. in fact they will stand there and wait thinking they've just arrived in Ireland when everyone first welcomed them and bought them a drink. only works for short while, now buy your own ****ing drink, don't wait for me to offer. actually buy me one while you're at it, you owe me about 10!

only happened again to me this week, met this person from abroad, offered them a drink, they declined and went to order a coffee for themselves after i had sat down. they came back and looked at me "did you pay for this?" i said "no, i offered to buy you a pint and you declined", they then went back up and paid for their coffee.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 01:16AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

It is if its forced and it can have genocidal tendencies if people are specifically reproducing with other races because they went babies with certain features etc.

Which was your rational.

:mad:

How ?? Why what is your problem with mixed people now?

We are talking about normal people falling in love. You are twisting words like a true racist. I say the world will naturally mingle and what is the problem with it?
No it wasn't AT ALL IT WAS THE OPPOSITE. LOL

You are suggesting you keep people out to preserve certain physical characteristics! aren't you?

You are twisting everything I say.

Do you really think white people who marry non white people hate themselves?? That is ridiculous!

Self hate is however a huge root of the narcissism associated with extreme nationalism or racism..

Sonics2k · 21-02-2013 01:18AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

That refers to the diaspora.

And Dev's da was as much a Cuban/Spanish sailor as mine was.

Devs dad was Cuban.

As an irish man you complain about different races mixing, yet you manage to forget we ourselves are a mixture of numerous cultures ranging from Scandinavia to beyond Eastern Europe.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 01:20AM

VEN wrote: »

and many non-Irish oh so do take advantage of that. in fact they will stand there and wait thinking they've just arrived in Ireland when everyone first welcomed them and bought them a drink. only works for short while, now buy your own ****ing drink, don't wait for me to offer. actually buy me one while you're at it, you owe me about 10!

only happened again to me this week, met this person from abroad, offered them a drink, they declined and went to order a coffee for themselves after i had sat down. they came back and looked at me "did you pay for this?" i said "no, i offered to buy you a pint and you declined", they then went back up and paid for their coffee.

Wow....stuff happened??? Wow....and they were from ABROAD??? Wow....no Irish person ever mistakenly thought another person paid for their coffee ever..EVER

What has any of that story got to do with where they are from??? Infact what has it got to do with anything??? Thats just a mistake..I could do that easily

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 01:21AM

Lou.m wrote: »

We are talking about normal people falling in love. You are twisting words like a true racist. I say the world will naturally mingle and what is the problem with it?
No it wasn't AT ALL IT WAS THE OPPOSITE. LOL

You are suggesting you keep people out to preserve certain physical characteristics! aren't you?

You are twisting everything I say.

Do you really think white people who marry non white people hate themselves?? That is ridiculous!

Self hate is however a huge root of the narcissism associated with extreme nationalism or racism..

Looking at the figures, most end up divorced. Anyway, you do your thing and marry whoever you want. Its absolutely none of my business what you do.

But when you say things like group x, and only group x, should intermarry - for the sole purpose of eradicating group x, dont be surprised when you get called on it.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 01:23AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Devs dad was Cuban.

As an irish man you complain about different races mixing, yet you manage to forget we ourselves are a mixture of numerous cultures ranging from Scandinavia to beyond Eastern Europe.

Show me where I complained, buddy.

Dev's da was never confirmed.

VEN · 21-02-2013 01:26AM

Lou.m wrote: »

Wow....stuff happened??? Wow....and they were from ABROAD??? Wow....no Irish person ever mistakenly thought another person paid for their coffee ever..EVER

What has any of that story got to do with where they are from??? Infact what has it got to do with anything??? Thats just a mistake..I could do that easily

that was in reply to Johro's post about drinking, an observation of how irish pub generosity can be taken from here to the cliffs of moher. so why don't you ask them what that had to do with this thread if you're so worked up about it. besides what has it go to do with you? you sound like a redhead.

southsiderosie · 21-02-2013 01:29AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Still foreign born. If every immigrant obtained Irish papers tomorrow - would that mean Ireland has/had no immigrant population?

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

That refers to the diaspora.

And Dev's da was as much a Cuban/Spanish sailor as mine was.

Sweet Baby Jesus, have you actually looked at the CSO figures?

The 'foreign born' includes a huge pool of Irish nationals who were born in the UK. So those figures are not very helpful when trying to determine immigration figures, as few would consider Irish nationals born in the UK as 'immigrants' in the political sense. The enormous Irish diaspora is exactly why you have to actually go into the data itself to see what is going on; as evidenced on this thread, the media coverage of the 2011 census data has been atrocious.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 01:33AM

VEN wrote: »

that was in reply to Johro's post about drinking, an observation of how irish pub generosity can be taken from here to the cliffs of moher. so why don't you ask them what that had to do with this thread if you're so worked up about it. besides what has it go to do with you? you sound like a redhead.

Ireland is a very generous country. Once legally resident here, you get child allowance, healthcare, access to education for your kids, etc. EU citizen or no.

This is a big pull factor. Very few nations are as generous to their newly arrived. Does the state and the Irish people get thanked for it? Not a bit. We get lectures from quango Queens like Denise Charlton about how racist we are.

A rich girls whose daddy had that land dispute with Pat Kenny.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 01:36AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Sweet Baby Jesus, have you actually looked at the CSO figures?

The 'foreign born' includes a huge pool of Irish nationals who were born in the UK. So those figures are not very helpful when trying to determine immigration figures, as few would consider Irish nationals born in the UK as 'immigrants' in the political sense. The enormous Irish diaspora is exactly why you have to actually go into the data itself to see what is going on; as evidenced on this thread, the media coverage of the 2011 census data has been atrocious.

Irish citizens born to Irish parents abroad would tick Irish as their nationality.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 01:43AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Devs dad was Cuban.

As an irish man you complain about different races mixing, yet you manage to forget we ourselves are a mixture of numerous cultures ranging from Scandinavia to beyond Eastern Europe.

Yeah his dad was defo Cuban.His name was Juan Vivion Devalera.Born in Mantanzas, Cuba.Eamon named one of his sons after him. He died when Dev was very very little and an Uncle brought him from New York to Ireland as a kid.

He looked Latino too apparently. He was noted for his Olive brown skin and tall long body and limbs. And Black hair brown eyes etc....he did not look Irish. And he preferred RUGBY!!:eek:

He named one of his kids for his father so he obviously believed he was!

He ought to know!

MadsL · 21-02-2013 01:44AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

What was Dublins foreign born population 15 years ago? A per cent or two.
What was Dublins foreign born population according to the last census? 25-30%

Irelands foreign born pop. was 17 per cent iirc.

One of the highest in the world. The equivalent of the US letting in circa 60 million immigrants in just over a decade.

212,286 of them were born in England and Wales ffs.

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Less of this Ireland has a tiny immigrant population nonsense. It doesnt. It has one of the highest in the world. Nearly six times the global average.

Only 3 per cent of the global population are immigrants. Irelands foreign born population is 17 per cent of our population!

And the vast majority of those immigrants are White, and generally Catholic.

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Are you for real? Kill off whitey to end racism?

I am actually terrified that people like you are allowed to roam free.

What do you propse to do with someone like that - round them up?

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 01:50AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Ireland is a very generous country. Once legally resident here, you get child allowance, healthcare, access to education for your kids, etc. EU citizen or no.

This is a big pull factor. Very few nations are as generous to their newly arrived. Does the state and the Irish people get thanked for it? Not a bit. We get lectures from quango Queens like Denise Charlton about how racist we are.

A rich girls whose daddy had that land dispute with Pat Kenny.

You ARE racist though.

Oh god you are like some relic out of the field all right. A busy body in everyone else's business.

If immigrants want to legally come here let them. Get on with your own life. Stop blaming ridiculous phobias of yours on everyone else. Be happy.:)

Ireland gives nothing more than anywhere else. Infact my cousin lives in Denmark....what HIS kids get is amazing! Sweden gives free University to anyone that wants to go so does Norway..if they want to move to Norway just to go to university they can.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 01:53AM

MadsL wrote: »

And the vast majority of those immigrants are White, and generally Catholic.

So what?

MadsL wrote: »

What do you propse to do with someone like that - round them up?

Laugh at them, mostly. If they call for the genocide of my race, they are getting called on it.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 01:59AM

VEN wrote: »

that was in reply to Johro's post about drinking, an observation of how irish pub generosity can be taken from here to the cliffs of moher. so why don't you ask them what that had to do with this thread if you're so worked up about it. besides what has it go to do with you? you sound like a redhead.

No Blonde:p

Everything put on a public thread is public business :-P

I just think it is a silly story because Irish people do this and no I never find Irish people terribly more generous than anyone else. Now Arabs THEY are generous! And I have seen Irish people take terrible advantage of them. So are Americans generous.

I think you see that behavior there and attribute it to being from 'abroad'...yet you would forget about the number of Irish people who do it.

If you go to China....as a foreigner neighbours will give you free delicacies regularly in boxes. They play host. In Japan hosting and gifting is a serious thing.

21-02-2013 02:00AM

Johro wrote: »

Are you saying you can't do any of these things?

Well, I couldn't buy any pork products in my area of London. I semi-regularly got told to cover up or received dirty looks from both men and women. And I'd be a fairly conservative dresser compared to most British women. I didn't really appreciate being made to feel unwelcome and even sometimes being verbally abused in my own country by people who weren't born there. I don't think that makes me racist. I couldn't give a flying fig where you come from or what your religion is, but go take a fcking flying leap if you think you can impose it on me.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 02:00AM

Lou.m wrote: »

You ARE racist though.

Oh god you are like some relic out of the field all right. A busy body in everyone else's business.

That is your opinion. You propose a form of eugenics to kill off a whole race in some misguided belief that the earth will become some sort of utopia.

Lou.m wrote: »

If immigrants want to legally come here let them. Get on with your own life. Stop blaming ridiculous phobias of yours on everyone else. Be happy.:)

How many more immigrants can Europe absorb? A round estimate shall do.

Or do you think we have an infinite capacity to take in immigrants?

Lou.m wrote: »

Ireland gives nothing more than anywhere else. Infact my cousin lives in Denmark....what HIS kids get is amazing! Sweden gives free University to anyone that wants to go so does Norway..if they want to move to Norway just to go to university they can.

To EU/EEA citizens- a reciprocal agreement between all member states. A lad from Mongolia cant just rock up into Oslo and sign up for free education.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 02:03AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Show me where I complained, buddy.

Dev's da was never confirmed.

It has been through Documentation and Dev himself was of the opinion that he was....he named his son Vivion after his Dad. And he retained links with Cuba.

If you care that much you have issues.

With a name like De Valera he was hardly from meath now was he???

Also I don't mean to be blunt but in a land of milk white people Dev stood out.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 02:06AM

Lou.m wrote: »

Now Arabs THEY are generous! And I have seen Irish people take terrible advantage of them. So are Americans generous.

I think you see that behavior there and attribute it to being from 'abroad'...yet you would forget about the number of Irish people who do it.

If you go to China....as a foreigner neighbours will give you free delicacies regularly in boxes. They play host. In Japan hosting and gifting is a serious thing.

I doubt that you have ever set foot in an Arab nation, or Japan, or China.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 02:07AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

That is your opinion. You propose a form of eugenics to kill off a whole race in some misguided belief that the earth will become some sort of utopia.

How many more immigrants can Europe absorb? A round estimate shall do.

Or do you think we have an infinite capacity to take in immigrants?

To EU/EEA citizens- a reciprocal agreement between all member states. A lad from Mongolia cant just rock up into Oslo and sign up for free education.

Norway is not and has never been a member of the EU. And as far as i know they can and do go to uni there ...paperwork obviously but they can...but they have to get into that particular Uni and compete for places.

Johro · 21-02-2013 02:10AM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

Well, I couldn't buy any pork products in my area of London. I semi-regularly got told to cover up or received dirty looks from both men and women. And I'd be a fairly conservative dresser compared to most British women. I didn't really appreciate being made to feel unwelcome and even sometimes being verbally abused in my own country by people who weren't born there. I don't think that makes me racist. I couldn't give a flying fig where you come from or what your religion is, but go take a fcking flying leap if you think you can impose it on me.

I'd agree with that. In fact I'd go round the neighbourhood wearing a suit made from pork chops if I got comments like that. I hate anyone pushing their morals on others. I'm just saying that is part of a religious fanatic minority and not indicative of the whole muslim population.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 02:10AM

Lou.m wrote: »

Norway is not and has never been a member of the EU. And as far as i know they can and do go to uni there ...paperwork obviously but they can...but they have to get into that particular Uni and compete for places.

Member of the EEA, but. Hence why I said EU/EEA.

But if you can prove that non EU/EEA citizens can just rock up and avail of free university, please do.

21-02-2013 02:12AM

Johro wrote: »

I'd agree with that. In fact I'd go round the neighbourhood wearing a suit made from pork chops if I got comments like that. I hate anyone pushing their morals on others. I'm just saying that is part of a religious fanatic minority and not indicative of the whole muslim population.

A very vocal minority, that's the issue.

Johro · 21-02-2013 02:13AM

Lou.m wrote: »

:eek::p I love you...charmer:P;):p:p

I'm saving this post for when i feel down.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 02:14AM

Johro wrote: »

I'd agree with that. In fact I'd go round the neighbourhood wearing a suit made from pork chops if I got comments like that. I hate anyone pushing their morals on others. I'm just saying that is part of a religious fanatic minority and not indicative of the whole muslim population.

That's all well and good, buddy. Talk is cheap. But if you walked through such an area munching on a bacon roll, you would probably get beaten to within an inch of your life.

Johro · 21-02-2013 02:15AM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

A very vocal minority, that's the issue.

Well.. The small minds always have the biggest mouths. Fact of life.

Johro · 21-02-2013 02:16AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

That's all well and good, buddy. Talk is cheap. But if you walked through such an area munching on a bacon roll, you would probably get beaten to within an inch of your life.

That sounds slightly hysterical.

Lou.m · 21-02-2013 02:18AM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

I doubt that you have ever set foot in an Arab nation, or Japan, or China.

WRONG!!!

I have been to Tangiers in North Africa, Turkey and Bahrain. (Bahrain I was a Kid though)

Not been to Japan.

I have been to Shanghai and Hong Kong. Also my family has been close friends with an Asian /Irish family ever since I was little. We played and went to school with their kids etc.

My brother lived for months in Hong Kong.

I have never been to Japan...My cousin is currently working there temporarily. And I have a friend who is have American half Japanese. Actually she is a little bit Irish too!:) (On the American side) She has lived in more countries than you've had hot dinners! She is tri-lingual. I have not been to Japan. But generally it is noted that Japanese people are polite.

And all them awesome people, much nicer than you and more decent.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 02:18AM

Johro wrote: »

That sounds slightly hysterical.

Try it on a Friday in such an area.

Remember to record it.

SirTallaghtban · 21-02-2013 02:23AM

Lou.m wrote: »

And all them awesome people, much nicer than you and more decent.

Sounds great. You have stated that you dislike white people, want them eradicated and what not - so why live in a continent full of them?

Surely your next port of call is Dublin airport and onto one of these utopias. According to you, nothing but nice free foods and generosity awaits? :pac:

Is multiculturalism wanted??

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