Tax on Children's Allowance?

Le_Dieux · 17-02-2013 12:21PM #1

Apologies to Mods if this has been reported elsewhere - I have searched but cannot find it. Also not sure if this should be here ( in AH ) or on the Politics Forum.

As if this lot in DE haven't inflicted their angst enough on the people of Ireland, now they want to do this?:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/400000-families-face-tax-on-childrens-allowance-29075622.html

snubbleste · 17-02-2013 12:22PM

Taxing all income is a good idea.

Elessar · 17-02-2013 12:23PM

I don't see why the government have to pay everyone for their children in the first place.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:24PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Taxing all income is a good idea.

You don't have children do you?

hfallada · 17-02-2013 12:25PM

Well if only half of all income earner pay tax. I imagine a large amount be untouched and you have to have a good income to get into the top bracket.

It's too vague and unclear to be worrying about it. It will be highly diluted by the budget.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:26PM

Elessar wrote: »

I don't see why the government have to pay everyone for their children in the first place.

Of course everyone that doesn't have kids will thank this post.

Death and Taxes · 17-02-2013 12:27PM

Of course it should be subject to tax, all income regardless of how it is derived should be taxable.
Personally I would abolish CB altogether and replace it with something that is both fairer and actually benifits children.

Uriel. · 17-02-2013 12:27PM

Don't see why this is a big deal. It's a no brainer if you ask me. Landlords pay tax on rental income, those working a second job pay tax on that income, those making money from interest pay DIRT tax, those making money on shares/investments pay tax, etc etc why should those with children get free money untaxed?

smash · 17-02-2013 12:28PM

400000 families down €53 a month... That's not good. The money goes back to the economy ffs!

Le_Dieux · 17-02-2013 12:29PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Taxing all income is a good idea.

While, in the main, I totally agree, there are a LOT of families who will suffer if this goes through. Why not means test to see who gets the CA? Surely it can't be that difficult? This bunch in DE seem to want to tax every fcuking thing under the sun, if they are allowed to get away with it. Back in the 80's the same 'party' also tried to put VAT on children's shoes - I think Dukes might have been the Leader at the time - and that attempted move blew up in their faces and they were out of power nearly on the blink of an eye.

History going to repeat itself all over again I think!

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 17-02-2013 12:29PM

In before "if you cant afford kids, don't have them".

Only people who genuinely need CA should get it.

I don't have kids and tbh, one of the reasons is I actually could not afford to have one and keep it alive.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:30PM

smash wrote: »

400000 families down €53 a month... That's not good. The money goes back to the economy ffs!

And in the biggest way possible.

Assassin saphir · 17-02-2013 12:30PM

Best username ever wrote: »

You don't have children do you?

You made them, you pay for them.

dvpower · 17-02-2013 12:30PM

Best username ever wrote: »

You don't have children do you?

I have children and I support taxing CHB. It would cost me about €1500 pa.

emo72 · 17-02-2013 12:33PM

Kite flying? Don't think there's much chance of this proposal going through.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:34PM

dvpower wrote: »

I have children and I support taxing CHB. It would cost me about €1500 pa.

Why don't we go after the real money drainers in society? Why attack children? Tell me this, why are junkies on disability when they're not disabled? It's because the state can't touch them once they're on it. No need to come off the drugs so, just keep collecting your money and banging up.

smash · 17-02-2013 12:34PM

Assassin saphir wrote: »

You made them, you pay for them.

This is such horse sh!t of an argument. Without CA, most parents in Ireland would have seriously struggled even further through the 80's. Now there's another recession and they're planning on significantly reducing an allowance that is very relied upon.

Elessar · 17-02-2013 12:35PM

Best username ever wrote: »

Of course everyone that doesn't have kids will thank this post.

Seriously. Why do the government pay everyone, regardless of income, money for each of their children? It boggles the mind and should have been done away with years ago.

Childrens Allowance should form part of the welfare or HSE subsistence allowance system where you must apply for it and it should be means tested. Therefore those who actually need it will get it. Madness that a comfortable household with a combined income of say 50-60k+ gets free money for their children.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:38PM

Elessar wrote: »

Madness that a comfortable household with a combined income of say 50-60k+ gets free money for their children.

I agree with this part, why the fúck is Michael O' Leary collecting children's allowance? because he's entitled to.

RaRaRasputin · 17-02-2013 12:38PM

Best username ever wrote: »

Of course everyone that doesn't have kids will thank this post.

We have a child and I still don't think that getting child benefit is a god-given right. I don't see why people decide to have children when they don't have the money to raise them. We could do without the benefit, because we planned having a child.

smash · 17-02-2013 12:39PM

Elessar wrote: »

Madness that a comfortable household with a combined income of say 50-60k+ gets free money for their children.

If you consider 50-60k combined income to be a high income I feel sorry for you.

dvpower · 17-02-2013 12:40PM

Best username ever wrote: »

Why don't we go after the real money drainers in society? Why attack children? Tell me this, why are junkies on disability when they're not disabled? It's because the state can't touch them once they're on it. No need to come off the drugs so, just keep collecting your money and banging up.

Why not do both?

CHB is income. If its taxed then they could even increase the rate, giving poorer families more support, at the expense of better off families.

Hijpo · 17-02-2013 12:42PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Personally I would abolish CB altogether and replace it with something that is both fairer and actually benifits children.

I agree, plenty of people getting the CA and spending it on thenselves. But that would be to much on the sensible side for the bogies in Dail Eireann

snubbleste · 17-02-2013 12:44PM

Something has to happen to it imo
either tax it
or
get rid of it and give tax credits for each child.

Means testing it will be ineffective and will cost the taxpayer too much.

R0ot · 17-02-2013 12:45PM

If your household income annually is 100k+ (before tax) then you should not get child benefit.

holystungun9 · 17-02-2013 12:45PM

Best username ever wrote: »

I agree with this part, why the fúck is Michael O' Leary collecting children's allowance? because he's entitled to.

I'm sure he has made a statement about this before that he himself feels it is ridiculous that his children get the allowance.

Sin City · 17-02-2013 12:47PM

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

We have a child and I still don't think that getting child benefit is a god-given right. I don't see why people decide to have children when they don't have the money to raise them. We could do without the benefit, because we planned having a child.

Do you not.think that.before the recession people had jobs and.could afford to be parents and.now they struggle through no fault of their own?
No need to get on your high horse and.look.down on people.in need

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:48PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Something has to happen to it imo
either tax it
or
get rid of it and give tax credits for each child.

Means testing it will be ineffective and will cost the taxpayer too much.

I would be in favor of the tax credits instead of cash.

melekalikimaka · 17-02-2013 12:50PM

R0ot wrote: »

If your household income annually is 100k+ (before tax) the you should not get child benefit.

100k!!!

if they have jobs they shouldnt get it full stop

Death and Taxes · 17-02-2013 12:51PM

Best username ever wrote: »

I would be in favor of the tax credits instead of cash.

What good is a tax credit to one of 450,000 unemployed

digzy · 17-02-2013 12:51PM

smash wrote: »

If you consider 50-60k combined income to be a high income I feel sorry for you.

The ironic thing is that if there's an unemployed couple with 4 kids and you tot up what they get from the state between med cards and rent supplement etc it mightn't be too far off that figure.

As stated already. all income should be taxed whether it's derived from income or from the state benefits.

Through my work I come across a large number of medical card holders. i'm baffled at how some people have them. One lady is married to a farmer who milks about 100 cows. Another guy owns a string of pubs but i know he's been burned property speculating, another dude was driving a 1 year old masda 6 last year. My personal favourite was an accountant who's a fianna fail town councillor who owns his own house, an investment property and drives a '12 merc. you'd wonder what strokes these people pull to get these benefits when the income level criteria are quite low.

Tax on Children's Allowance?

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