Can't afford a night out? You're poor!

Jacobian Transformation · 16-02-2013 09:19AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

Well, this article talks about recommended daily allowance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12577618 Admittedly, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but most of the doctors and nutritionists I've met seem to agree that a matchbox-sized piece of meat is ideal and that the rest of your meal should be potatoes/rice and veg.

I think 227g of mince is a massive amount for a single person in one serving. A burger, two pork ribs and some chicken dippers for one meal? It all just sounds like way too much meat to me. It might be more beneficial for your weight to have more meat and less rice, but probably not for your health!

To bring things back on topic (sort of), eating so much meat means that dinners are much more expensive than they need to be. If you're on any sort of a budget, meat can easily (and probably should) be bulked out with lots of veg and other things.

Nonsense, it's perfectly healthy to have 100-200 grams of meat in every meal of the day. Recommended actually.

Sunnyisland · 16-02-2013 09:52AM

There are a lot of poor posts in this thread

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 10:25AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

Martyr complex much? Everyone has problems and difficulties. I don't think you need to spend a childhood in foster care being burned by cigarette ends to 'understand life'.

You do not understand what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that.

16-02-2013 10:53AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

You do not understand what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that.

I'm pretty sure I understand when someone thinks they've had it much worse than absolutely everyone else. I've met a lot of people like that. I'm sure everyone's problems just pale in comparison to yours. :rolleyes:

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 10:59AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I understand when someone thinks they've had it much worse than absolutely everyone else. I've met a lot of people like that. I'm sure everyone's problems just pale in comparison to yours. :rolleyes:

I'm not talking about myself here. :rolleyes:

16-02-2013 11:01AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I'm not talking about myself here. :rolleyes:

Oh, so you didn't say

I'm 23 and have been through a hell of a lot more **** than what you have described.

juan.kerr · 16-02-2013 11:01AM

So I went out last night but couldn't afford a 10k bottle of champagne. I guess that makes me poor...:eek:

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 11:07AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

Oh, so you didn't say

I said I've been worse off than what one person described. Then I moved on and said "I'm not talking about you an me here". I never said I've been worse off than everyone

16-02-2013 11:12AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I said I've been worse off than what one person described. Then I moved on and said "I'm not talking about you an me here". I never said I've been worse off than everyone

It's pretty clear that you consider yourself quite hard done by.

Even if you are talking 'in general', so what? Life isn't a 'who's had it worse' competition. You have no idea what other people have been through. It's not as if people write down all the terrible things that have ever happened to them and then compare them with other people to see who understands more about life.

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 11:17AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

It's pretty clear that you consider yourself quite hard done by.

Even if you are talking 'in general', so what? Life isn't a 'who's had it worse' competition. You have no idea what other people have been through. It's not as if people write down all the terrible things that have ever happened to them and then compare them with other people to see who understands more about life.

I never said people had to write an essay on their lives. My point simply is: people who have very hard lives will generally have more life experience than those who live normal lives. Do you understand that??

16-02-2013 11:24AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I never said people had to write an essay on their lives. My point simply is: people who have very hard lives will generally have more life experience than those who live normal lives. Do you understand that??

And my point is, 1) what on earth makes you think that? Life experience comes from other sources than personal problems.

2) How do you decide who has had a 'hard life' and who hasn't? It's not quantifiable. It's not some sort of competition. You might see someone from a rich family who gets everything they want and conclude that they have an easy life, but it's not so easy if they're fighting a serious illness or severe depression. Everyone, bar a lucky few, has their problems.

Furious_George · 16-02-2013 11:34AM

awec wrote: »

A lot of waffle, absolutely no substance.

Are you telling me that it is impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?

A simple yes or no is fine.

Eh your talkn through your arse. The poster you quoted described exactly how these relative poverty measures work. You might want to read up on them before you start spouting annd calling what another poster writes a load of waffle with no substance.

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 11:34AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

And my point is, 1) what on earth makes you think that? Life experience comes from other sources than personal problems.

2) How do you decide who has had a 'hard life' and who hasn't? It's not quantifiable. It's not some sort of competition. You might see someone from a rich family who gets everything they want and conclude that they have an easy life, but it's not so easy if they're fighting a serious illness or severe depression. Everyone, bar a lucky few, has their problems.

Eh, I don't have to decide decide who has a hard life or not? It's not a points system. If they have a hard life they have a hard life regardless of background. They don't have to prove how hard it is to anyone. They will probably have more life experience than someone with an easier life.
You seem to think I look at peoples lives from the outside and then decide if it's hard or not? That's not what I'm saying.

16-02-2013 11:39AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Eh, I don't have to decide decide who has a hard life or not? It's not a points system. If they have a hard life they have a hard life regardless of background. They don't have to prove how hard it is to anyone. They will probably have more life experience than someone with an easier life.
You seem to think I look at peoples lives from the outside and then decide if it's hard or not? That's not what I'm saying.

Sigh.

OK. So what is a 'hard life'? What makes life hard? What makes life easy?

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 11:42AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

Sigh.

OK. So what is a 'hard life'? What makes life hard? What makes life easy?

Sigh.

We don't agree so let's just leave it at that. I'm not spending the day trying to explain my point of view to a random poster on the internet.

Good luck.

16-02-2013 11:45AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Sigh.

We don't agree so let's just leave it at that. I'm not spending the day trying to explain my point of view to a random poster on the internet.

Good luck.

No, obviously not. I'm going out in a minute. But perhaps lay off the condescending 'you just don't get it' tone when making points you're totally unable to back up?

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 11:47AM

Camilo Echoing Traction wrote: »

No, obviously not. I'm going out in a minute. But perhaps lay off the condescending 'you just don't get it' tone when making points you're totally unable to back up?

I have been trying to explain it. You either don't get it or you don't agree so there's not point carrying on discussing it. I'd be repeating myself for the day.

Furious_George · 16-02-2013 11:58AM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I'm not talking about you or me here, but do you not think that someone who has gone through extreme hardships in life will have more "life experience" than someone who leads a normal life with the usual few ups and downs? Age has nothing to do with it.

Why is life experience only to do with hardship? you might have had more experience of hardship than some here but im sure many have experienced a hell of a lot more on the spectrum of experiences that make up life. Your right that age doesnt matter though but just in general people do mature with age and in a general sense have had more time to do more things and therefore collect more experiences. Some fit a lot more in a small space of time of course.

Ms. Pingui · 16-02-2013 12:04PM

Furious_George wrote: »

Why is life experience only to do with hardship? you might have had more experience of hardship than some here but im sure many have experienced a hell of a lot more on the spectrum of experiences that make up life. Your right that age doesnt matter though but just in general people do mature with age and in a general sense have had more time to do more things and therefore collect more experiences. Some fit a lot more in a small space of time of course.

I think my point of view is that one probably matures quicker from going through a lot of bad experience rather than a lot of positive experiences.

Seachmall · 16-02-2013 04:31PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I think my point of view is that one probably matures quicker from going through a lot of bad experience rather than a lot of positive experiences.

Maturity is knowing how to behave in different situations and under different circumstances. Its learned by experiencing those (or similar) situations and circumstances and deriving lessons from them. It has nothing to do with whether those experiences are positive or negative, but rather how many differing experiences you've had.

I think you're confusing introverted with mature, which negative experiences in childhood can cause to develop.

Duggys Housemate · 16-02-2013 04:33PM

I've met mature kind 20 year olds and curmudgeonly angry or mean 70-80 year olds. I think personalitys are largely inbuilt not learned.

Seachmall · 16-02-2013 04:39PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I've net mature kind 20 year olds and curmudgeonly angry or mean 70-80 year olds. I think personalitys are largely inbuilt not learned.

Maturity, by definition, is a learned behavior. Albeit personality does have a lot to do with how you learn and how you apply it.

Bears and Vodka · 16-02-2013 04:47PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

aren't you lucky - 30 K for you and your girlfriend. Average of 575 per week. Lovely. Now try adding a mortgage to that, a couple of kids, school fees, property tax, food and clothes, and all the other expenses that come with life - a different story then isn't it??? Don't judge others on your own experience.

Re. your **** hole country in Eastern Europe - that means nothing. We are dealing with Ireland and Irish expenses.

Cost of books + uniform + once off photocopying payments etc. amount to a couple of hundred euro a year depending on age of child. Less in primary school and more in secondary. If you spread that out by a weekly basis it's not that much. Also there is a gov. back to school books and uniform scheme which helps with some of that if you are really stuck.

Property tax is 100 a year if you pay it. About 2 euro a week if spread out weekly.

Also it's as if you have the illusion that everything is free in other countries. Everyone has bills to pay, in every country. While things tend to be more expensive in Ireland, the wage rates and social welfare rates are also higher.

Grayson · 16-02-2013 04:53PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I think my point of view is that one probably matures quicker from going through a lot of bad experience rather than a lot of positive experiences.

Or you experience bad things and become an introverted cynic who sees the worst in human nature. Experience does not equal wisdom. And especially bad experience does not equal wisdom. Otherwise Somalia would be filled with philosophers.

Re: the original post. Yes, not being able to go out is poor. If you haven't got 20 quid left to spend on a couple of beers, or a sunday roast, then you are poor. You might not be starving, but if you don't have €20 in disposable income, then you're poor.
One of the hidden effects of poverty is social isolation. people end up staying in, not vsiting people and generally just withdrawing from society.

Dejvice · 16-02-2013 07:18PM

Grayson wrote: »

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One of the hidden effects of poverty is social isolation. people end up staying in, not vsiting people and generally just withdrawing from society.

How do you know it?

mfceiling · 16-02-2013 07:33PM

So..................................

Is anybody heading out tonight?

Best username ever · 16-02-2013 07:43PM

mfceiling wrote: »

So..................................

Is anybody heading out tonight?

Yep, I'm heading out for dinner in about 20 minuites. I'll have a few pints, then sink the banana into the missus later.

Mr Benevolent · 16-02-2013 07:44PM

mfceiling wrote: »

So..................................

Is anybody heading out tonight?

Yup, out for a bite to eat courtesy of a €50 voucher I won!

Seachmall · 16-02-2013 07:52PM

mfceiling wrote: »

So..................................

Is anybody heading out tonight?

Trying to organise a quiet one. Looking good so far.

Tom_Cruise · 16-02-2013 08:36PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I never said people had to write an essay on their lives. My point simply is: people who have very hard lives will generally have more life experience than those who live normal lives. Do you understand that??

How does having a hard life equate to having more life experience? I don't understand.

Can't afford a night out? You're poor!

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