Farming Chit Chat

reilig · 14-02-2013 10:13PM

jomoloney wrote: »

if a vet isn't able to skull a beast what chance would he/she have with a cow with twist of the womb or a DA

None at all. He's in his 80's. Still out testing and you have to do the work for him. Its greed if you ask me. I wouldn't be having him around here.

td5man · 14-02-2013 10:16PM

reilig wrote: »

None at all. He's in his 80's. Still out testing and you have to do the work for him. Its greed if you ask me. I wouldn't be having him around here.

Is he the same lad that sold land for €13m a couple of years ago?

reilig · 14-02-2013 10:32PM

td5man wrote: »

Is he the same lad that sold land for €13m a couple of years ago?

Don't know to be honest. I'm not a local in his area, but I'll ask.

moy83 · 14-02-2013 10:46PM

reilig wrote: »

Don't know to be honest. I'm not a local in his area, but I'll ask.

Our vet tested up to two years ago and he was up in the eighties , my father would hold the tail , the brother would hold the bottles and pass them to him while I would shine the torch under the tail so that he might see where the vein was .
He was in hospital last year and we had to swop over , testing took at least half the time and the reading about half an hour .

Bodacious · 14-02-2013 11:34PM

1chippy wrote: »

we sheared the horns on 10 weanlings a few weeks back. would never let a vet or a saw around them again. The last few times we had the vet i ended up cutting them myself for the vet. we got a friend who brought in various shears from the states. we had them done in minutes and no issue with any of them.
I really hate skulling animals but there always seem to be a few either misseed or bought in that need doing, as for tying to the tractor i have to say i done it a few times.

Did ye use a local anaesthetic chip?

Bodacious · 14-02-2013 11:35PM

reilig wrote: »

None at all. He's in his 80's. Still out testing and you have to do the work for him. Its greed if you ask me. I wouldn't be having him around here.

We have one of those near us... A licence to print money ... All cash in hand

hugo29 · 15-02-2013 12:24AM

reilig wrote: »

None at all. He's in his 80's. Still out testing and you have to do the work for him. Its greed if you ask me. I wouldn't be having him around here.

Jayus h chr!!! An 80 year old vet, are ya sure he can even see the needle never mind where to inject them

Get an able bodied vet, rope halter, tie the head sideways back to the nearest upright and saw like fcuk, under anaesthetic

Bizzum · 15-02-2013 12:42AM

hugo29 wrote: »

Jayus h chr!!! An 80 year old vet, are ya sure he can even see the needle never mind where to inject them

Get an able bodied vet, rope halter, tie the head sideways back to the nearest upright and saw like fcuk, under anaesthetic

A local Vet to me was killed 2 year ago testing for a neighbour. A shocking nice man he was too. I cant remember his age but it was north of 70 and could have been near 80. Handling cattle is a job you need to be in the whole of your health for. Reactions need to be sharp. Sometimes you dont get a second chance.

I rang the Dept of Ag last year to clarify the legal position on skulling and after several calls to the Dept Vet, she still couldnt enlighten me.

MOOVAN · 15-02-2013 01:49AM

Just been out to the cubical house ,what a most beautiful night, all the calved cows are asleep on there clean dusted cubicals after feasting in the paddock (they can come in at night if they choose,the c-house open for them).Not a peep out of them all curled up .What a lovely sight.And there is nothing due to calve tonight so.....sleep for us all tonight:).

bogman_bass · 15-02-2013 01:52AM

reilig wrote: »

Was that with a barnes dehorner?

no. Just looked it up there. its a keystone dehorner
http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.leaderproducts.com.au/images/442.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.leaderproducts.com.au/products/improved-keystone-dehorner&h=300&w=490&sz=17&tbnid=U5Ryr21t6iWncM:&tbnh=55&tbnw=90&zoom=1&usg=__Y-KeW68oQoZk2e9obKyu-r9MwWQ=&docid=6a9_5x5XwFxJQM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TYYdUbnyIMWFhQfUi4CwAQ&ved=0CC4Q9QEwAQ&dur=292

freedominacup · 15-02-2013 08:44AM

Bizzum wrote: »

A local Vet to me was killed 2 year ago testing for a neighbour. A shocking nice man he was too. I cant remember his age but it was north of 70 and could have been near 80. Handling cattle is a job you need to be in the whole of your health for. Reactions need to be sharp. Sometimes you dont get a second chance.

I rang the Dept of Ag last year to clarify the legal position on skulling and after several calls to the Dept Vet, she still couldnt enlighten me.

HSA guy told us age was a large factor in many farm deaths. A lot of them would be "farmer badly maimed" other than the advanced age of the victims. More to do with strength and fitness than speed of reaction.

reilig · 15-02-2013 10:35AM

Another one for ye, not totally farming related, but . . . .

Do any of ye keep a polytunnel for growing veg and fruit for the house? The OH is mad to get one. She wants to grow tomatoes, strawberries, peppers and herbs.

Is it worth having one?

I'm not keen on spending €400 to €500 on one that might only be used for 1 season. Have seen cheaper, smaller ones online and might buy one with the intention of getting 1 or 2 years out of it.

dzer2 · 15-02-2013 11:32AM

Made one for €80 euro 8mtr x 5mtr 5yr plastic cost €157 great value if you are going to use it. You need to allow a least 1 and half hours per day starting up after that about an hour a day. You will have lettuce all year round Tomatoes will need sunshine to ripen. Get the one that has a rise before the curve that way you can use all the area under the plastic

reilig · 15-02-2013 11:57AM

dzer2 wrote: »

Made one for €80 euro 8mtr x 5mtr 5yr plastic cost €157 great value if you are going to use it. You need to allow a least 1 and half hours per day starting up after that about an hour a day. You will have lettuce all year round Tomatoes will need sunshine to ripen. Get the one that has a rise before the curve that way you can use all the area under the plastic

I'm looking at something about half the size of that with 5 year plastic for €150 including frame and plastic. I'm not keen to make a huge investment into something like this until I see that it is being used. I have looked at some forums where people grow strawberries and other berries in empty plastic bottles hanging from the roof rails of polytunnels and they seem to work very well. Thanks for the info. Think we might take the chance and try it out for one year at least.

Muckit · 15-02-2013 02:20PM

reilig wrote: »

Don't know. Should have clarified that the vet will inject them for him. And he'll pull veins of bleeders when complete but he just isn't fit for sculling (by his own admission).

There's a channel that runs from the eyeball to the horn. You inject into that AFAIK.

I use the saw wire too. They can buck all they want, you just have to make sure you don't go too severe. I trim the hair well back with a scissors so I can see what I'm at. I don't know how lads used tenon saws, real break your wrist territory.

I always used halter tied to a nearby gate. The tractor idea bit severe, but I'm liken the idea of a constant strain forward to get a both sides. A ratchet strap tied to the rope might be a better option.

I've a few I bought in that are showing horns. I want to do them before I sell them.

@whelan. There simply isn't the money in beef farming as you know to be running to the vet every 5min. Farmers need to keep skilled up in these tasks. Once you use your head, assess the risk, take adequate precautions and work safely there is no need to fear.

whelan1 · 15-02-2013 03:12PM

Muckit wrote: »

There's a channel that runs from the eyeball to the horn. You inject into that AFAIK.

I use the saw wire too. They can buck all they want, you just have to make sure you don't go too severe. I trim the hair well back with a scissors so I can see what I'm at. I don't know how lads used tenon saws, real break your wrist territory.

I always used halter tied to a nearby gate. The tractor idea bit severe, but I'm liken the idea of a constant strain forward to get a both sides. A ratchet strap tied to the rope might be a better option.

I've a few I bought in that are showing horns. I want to do them before I sell them.

@whelan. There simply isn't the money in beef farming as you know to be running to the vet every 5min. Farmers need to keep skilled up in these tasks. Once you use your head, assess the risk, take adequate precautions and work safely there is no need to fear.

i wouldnt have the confidence to skull them, just one of the things i wont do, i will ring bulls no problem,.. its just if theres a bleeder i would be glad tohave the vet to fall back on.... as i said each to their own.... when we are ringign the bulls we put a halter on them tie it to bar of crush, then tie another rope around the halter around the bar of the crush and work away

leg wax · 15-02-2013 03:36PM

just passed tb test:cool::cool:, first bunch gone to grass straight off the rape and kale.:):)

redzerologhlen · 15-02-2013 06:16PM

leg wax wrote: »

just passed tb test:cool::cool:, first bunch gone to grass straight off the rape and kale.:):)

What does grass look like

Havnt seen any in a long time :rolleyes:

hoseman · 15-02-2013 06:39PM

Hope to squeeze some yearlings and then to grass,Even trying to dry wet clothes in the last few weeks was tough not mind trying to dry land!!!

Richk2012 · 15-02-2013 07:16PM

leg wax wrote: »

just passed tb test:cool::cool:, first bunch gone to grass straight off the rape and kale.:):)

Good to hear .
Got call of Department yesterday . Cow we sold 3 months ago in the mart is after showing up in the factory with tb

blue5000 · 15-02-2013 08:24PM

Richk2012 wrote: »

Good to hear .
Got call of Department yesterday . Cow we sold 3 months ago in the mart is after showing up in the factory with tb

Might not have been yours at all, just your tag, I think we should insist on a DNA test in cases like this before restricting us.

dzer2 · 15-02-2013 08:28PM

Richk2012 wrote: »

Good to hear .
Got call of Department yesterday . Cow we sold 3 months ago in the mart is after showing up in the factory with tb

Need to make sure its your cow, fairly hard now that she is dead. Had a case a few year ago sold a bull in the mart about 2 yrs later dept came looking about the animal said it was a Charlois but we sold an Aberdeen Angus bull.

whelan1 · 15-02-2013 08:40PM

bought in a load of heifers a few years ago as recipients. one of them went down on tb test. turned out previous owner had come from 4 counties away with 1 animal to the mart to sell her. dept went down heavy on him and his vet as it was obvious she had been a reactor in his herd and both the vet and him had tried to cover it up. he could have gotten away with it but we tested 3 weeks after we bought her

Bodacious · 15-02-2013 08:55PM

whelan1 wrote: »

i wouldnt have the confidence to skull them, just one of the things i wont do, i will ring bulls no problem,.. its just if theres a bleeder i would be glad tohave the vet to fall back on.... as i said each to their own.... when we are ringign the bulls we put a halter on them tie it to bar of crush, then tie another rope around the halter around the bar of the crush and work away

Would you use a local anaesthetic when putting in a ring? Saw it done years ago with a skewer to make the hole first .. What's best most humane method?

whelan1 · 15-02-2013 09:31PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Would you use a local anaesthetic when putting in a ring? Saw it done years ago with a skewer to make the hole first .. What's best most humane method?

we have the punchers for making the hole, last time we got the vet to do it she lost the screw that goes into the ring, bought the punchers shortly after that, do them our selves now

Richk2012 · 15-02-2013 10:13PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Need to make sure its your cow, fairly hard now that she is dead. Had a case a few year ago sold a bull in the mart about 2 yrs later dept came looking about the animal said it was a Charlois but we sold an Aberdeen Angus bull.

I know what your saying , but now that the animal is slaughtrerd what procedure would i take to follow up on it ??

Bizzum · 15-02-2013 11:14PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Would you use a local anaesthetic when putting in a ring? Saw it done years ago with a skewer to make the hole first .. What's best most humane method?

I suppose an anaesthetic is the correct procedure. I think the Vet here used a paste. Anyone have an opinion on the " never ring your own bull" line?

delaval · 15-02-2013 11:35PM

I spent the day between milkings bringing dry cows home from out farm noticed a lot of cattle being let out around here. I am off tospread urea in am a few dry days promised

dzer2 · 15-02-2013 11:39PM

Bizzum wrote: »

I suppose an anaesthetic is the correct procedure. I think the Vet here used a paste. Anyone have an opinion on the " never ring your own bull" line?

Every one around here says that only ring bulls that are sold.

dzer2 · 15-02-2013 11:43PM

Richk2012 wrote: »

I know what your saying , but now that the animal is slaughtrerd what procedure would i take to follow up on it ??

Dont really know, I would try checking to see if replacement tags were ordered. After that check if card was replaced or altered and make sure the breed was the same. After that see if cow was sold on a few times. After that if you have a cow that is from the same mother try for dna or blood tests

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