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Can't afford a night out? You're poor!

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    #62
    awec
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    bedrock#1 wrote: »
    And what seems to evade you is that we are talking about "relative" deprivation. If you lived in a country where fillet steak was the common man's meal then yes you would be deprived if you could not afford one.

    What you are confusing here is "measurable variables" which are essential for conducting empirical research and the actual roast dinner. You see, when conducting empirical research you can't have a million variables floating about because you'd never actually measure anything. The roast dinner "represents" or is a "conceptualisation" of a nutritious meal. Follow? Researchers need to "conceptualise" in order to study phenomenon. This "conceptualisation" is based on a number of criteria such as price, nutrition contained in, the relative spending power of the population. It's slightly more complicated then your fillet steak argument.


    A lot of waffle, absolutely no substance.

    Are you telling me that it is impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?

    A simple yes or no is fine.


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    #63
    lazygal
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    fishy fishy wrote: »

    you mean like the 8 horse burgers for two euro?? ya, sure let the "poor" eejits eat that - good enough for them - sure they're only a burden on society anyway. :rolleyes:
    Did I refer to any processed food? I make everything from scratch, because its cheaper and better for you.


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    #64
    Duggys Housemate
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    pmcmahon wrote: »

    But couldn't afford proper sanitisation or many other life essentials.Especially in regard to Ireland.

    Things move on. But not being able to leave the house for a reasonable few drinks, or a cheap meal, is relative poverty by definition.

    Because most people can.


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    #65
    ShadowHearth
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    aren't you lucky - 30 K for you and your girlfriend. Average of 575 per week. Lovely. Now try adding a mortgage to that, a couple of kids, school fees, property tax, food and clothes, and all the other expenses that come with life - a different story then isn't it??? Don't judge others on your own experience.

    Re. your **** hole country in Eastern Europe - that means nothing. We are dealing with Ireland and Irish expenses.


    Did anyone put a gun to your head and told you: you have to have kids, huge stupid mortgage which makes no sence? NO! You wanted kids? Then think in advance how you will pay for that pleasure. You took stupid mortgage? Well your own foult for being idiot. I live here 8 years and I was here when boom went off. I did had money to buy the house. Did I? Nope, because it was fecking madness.

    20k eu per year is a fantastic wage.


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    #66
    Celly Smunt
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Things move on. But not being able to leave the house for a reasonable few drinks, or a cheap meal, is relative poverty by definition.

    Because most people can.

    No it's just that priorities and priorities,and going for a night out isn't a priority.Socialising however,i agree,is a priority which can be done cheap and free if you wanted.


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    #67
    fishy fishy
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    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    There's plenty of ways to socialise outside of the pub, including inviting people around for a cup of tea. If you're unemployed there might be walking groups / mother & toddler groups etc.

    If your "friends" will only ever meet you in the pub, then they're not very good friends at all.

    It's bad enough that the middle class/coping class have to financially carry all the unemployed, without having to pick up their bar tab as well.

    walking groups? tea? mother and toddler groups? why didn't I think of That.

    really, some people just don't get it. :confused:


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    #68
    Pompey Magnus
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    €5 - €10 would get you a warm winter coat in any number of charity shops around the country. It might not be the most fashionable but I doubt 1 in 4 are unable to afford to set aside 10 or 20 cent a week in Spring, Summer and Autumn to get themselves a coat come Winter.


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    #69
    awec
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Things move on. But not being able to leave the house for a reasonable few drinks, or a cheap meal, is relative poverty by definition.

    Because most people can.
    Poverty is not measured by what most people can do ffs.

    So if someone has a nice house and a nice car but can't afford to go to the pub are they living in poverty?

    This "relative poverty" is a nonsense. Someone earning less money can afford to do less things. Shock horror. Throwing the word "poverty" in there is trying to make it overly emotive.

    There are people living in actual poverty and you can be sure that these people couldn't give a flying fcuk about going to the pub.


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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Things move on. But not being able to leave the house for a reasonable few drinks, or a cheap meal, is relative poverty by definition.

    Because most people can.

    Again, I don't get this. You can leave the house for many things - depending on where you live, there's free museums, galleries, walks, cafes, heck, even going into a pub and just ordering some MiWadi and listening to some music being played.


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    #71
    Celly Smunt
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Again, I don't get this. You can leave the house for many things - depending on where you live, there's free museums, galleries, walks, cafes, heck, even going into a pub and just ordering some MiWadi and listening to some music being played.

    Somehow,because there's no alcohol involved it's not socialising :rolleyes:


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    mike65
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    Offal (liver, kidneys, heart, etc ) is a great source of cheaper nutrition and tastes good, but these days most people turn their noses up as such food suggests poverty.


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    #73
    fishy fishy
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    pmcmahon wrote: »
    Going to the pub isn't the be all and end all of socialising.Socialising in it's raw terms is mixing with people wouldn't you agree?,well what stops you mixing with your friends without alcohol?.I have an idea of what life is about,and it's not about getting pissed with your friends.

    so we have gone from not affording to go or a drink to now "getting pissed"??

    why stick to the facts when you can dramatize for effect.

    I refer to my original post - some people have no idea about life;


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    #74
    lazygal
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    fishy fishy wrote: »

    walking groups? tea? mother and toddler groups? why didn't I think of That.

    really, some people just don't get it. :confused:
    What don't we get, exactly?


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    bedrock#1
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    awec wrote: »
    A lot of waffle, absolutely no substance.

    Are you telling me that it is impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?

    A simple yes or no is fine.

    Sorry if my answer was too much for you to grasp but what we are actually discussing here are the results of a study and I am explaining to you how studies are conducted. The way this study was conducted, using a method designed to overcome the differences in income across the EU and to measure poverty across borders is to measure "relative deprivation" it only makes sense in the context in which it is conducted. So the fillet steak argument doesn't make any sense. I've already given you my opinion so I don't see the point in pandering to your hissy fit.


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    #76
    awec
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    bedrock#1 wrote: »
    Sorry if my answer was too much for you to grasp but what we are actually discussing here are the results of a study and I am explaining to you how studies are conducted. The way this study was conducted, using a method designed to overcome the differences in income across the EU and to measure poverty across borders is to measure "relative deprivation" it only makes sense in the context in which it is conducted. So the fillet steak argument doesn't make any sense. I've already given you my opinion so I don't see the point in pandering to your hissy fit.
    Again, no answer to my question, and a lot more waffle.

    Are you telling me it's impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?

    Yes or no.


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    #77
    Celly Smunt
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    so we have gone from not affording to go or a drink to now "getting pissed"??

    why stick to the facts when you can dramatize for effect.

    I refer to my original post - some people have no idea about life;

    jesus wept.


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    #78
    fishy fishy
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    reprazant wrote: »
    You are either trolling or showing yourself up as having no idea about food and/or how to cook.

    Cheap cuts of meat are not 8 burgers for a euro. They are the cheaper cuts of meat from a butcher, the ones that don't sell as much and that need more time to cook as they are tougher. They can also be the nicer tasting cuts as well.

    can you give us your examples of the cheap meats from the butcher that you are referring to, and the prices of that cheap meat from the butcher?


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    #79
    bedrock#1
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    awec wrote: »
    Again, no answer to my question, and a lot more waffle.

    Are you telling me it's impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?

    Yes or no.

    I see the problem, I'm in After Hours - suckered.

    No it is obviously possible to have a nutritious meal without it being a roast. Is it necessary to state the bleeding obvious to shut you up??


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    #80
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    TGi666 wrote: »
    whats the price of a pint these days?
    €4.50? that's 2 pints for €9
    or stay at home €10 for a 6pack of your choice
    I know what I'd be choosing anyway

    It depends what you're after really.
    mike65 wrote: »
    The definitions of poverty become more "wussie" by the year. Soon not being able to afford a 12 pack of Dutch Gold will be proof of penury.

    It's relative to the country that you live in I would have thought. What's poverty to us is a luxury to others.

    What people are neglecting here is the effect the lack of some items has on ones mental health. You might think a night out is a luxury, when in reality it's a necessity to some.


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    #81
    fishy fishy
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    Did anyone put a gun to your head and told you: you have to have kids, huge stupid mortgage which makes no sence? NO! You wanted kids? Then think in advance how you will pay for that pleasure. You took stupid mortgage? Well your own foult for being idiot. I live here 8 years and I was here when boom went off. I did had money to buy the house. Did I? Nope, because it was fecking madness.

    20k eu per year is a fantastic wage.


    LOL - on this, I rest my case!!

    :D


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    #82
    awec
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    bedrock#1 wrote: »
    I see the problem, I'm in After Hours - suckered.
    Again no answer.

    Why are you refusing to answer my question?

    Are you telling me that it's impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?


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    Celly Smunt
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    can you give us your examples of the cheap meats from the butcher that you are referring to, and the prices of that cheap meat from the butcher?

    I don't have the prices but cheap cuts such as

    Stewing beef
    offal
    Kidney
    liver
    Dark chicken meat


    Pretty much everything bar light chicken meat and sirloin/fillet cuts.


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    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    LOL - on this, I rest my case!!

    :D

    You don't have a case.


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    mike65
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    Fabian Purple Thimble wrote: »
    What people are neglecting here is the effect the lack of some items has on ones mental health. You might think a night out is a luxury, when in reality it's a necessity to some.

    I have visions of subsidised visits to the pub courtesy of the Department of Social and Family Affairs/health board! :p


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    bedrock#1
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    awec wrote: »
    Again no answer.

    Why are you refusing to answer my question?

    Are you telling me that it's impossible to have a nutritious meal other than a roast dinner?

    See edited post


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    #87
    HondaSami
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    Having no money or food in the fridge is poverty, not being able to have alcohol/eat out is not poverty or anywhere near it.


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    fishy fishy
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    pmcmahon wrote: »
    I don't have the prices but cheap cuts such as

    Stewing beef
    offal
    Kidney
    liver
    Dark chicken meat


    Pretty much everything bar light chicken meat and sirloin/fillet cuts.



    I would suggest you go into your butcher and get the prices of these items above. When you do, you will realise that they are not "cheap". Next time, when you quote about cheap cuts of meat, make sure you know the actual prices.


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    Celly Smunt
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    Fabian Purple Thimble wrote: »

    What people are neglecting here is the effect the lack of some items has on ones mental health. You might think a night out is a luxury, when in reality it's a necessity to some.

    Anybody who has a "necessity" for a night out clearly has a problem.


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    Celly Smunt
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    I would suggest you go into your butcher and get the prices of these items above. When you do, you will realise that they are not "cheap". Next time, when you quote about cheap cuts of meat, make sure you know the actual prices.

    I could make a fcukload of stew for under a fiver easily.


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    #91
    Duggys Housemate
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    awec wrote: »
    Poverty is not measured by what most people can do ffs.

    So if someone has a nice house and a nice car but can't afford to go to the pub are they living in poverty?

    This "relative poverty" is a nonsense. Someone earning less money can afford to do less things. Shock horror. Throwing the word "poverty" in there is trying to make it overly emotive.

    There are people living in actual poverty and you can be sure that these people couldn't give a flying fcuk about going to the pub.

    Poverty is always relative in rich countries. Otherwise we would say nobody is poor in Ireland. Either no poverty or relative poverty. A lot of the world has no sanitation. So all Irish people are richer.

    And people in "actual poverty" can be found in my local any day of the week. I used to be one.


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