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Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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  • #602
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,153 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Edit BTW what has this to do with cyclists needing to nhave some cop on and following the R of the R, stop trying to divert attention away from the fact that 87.5% of them DELIBERATELY ignore the R of the R and expect other road users to compensate for that illegality

    His point was that it is a reasonable assumption that a similar percentage of all road users don't follow the law of the land in relation to driving to the letter. I imagine it's closer to 100%.

    Also did you read the full report and the interpretation by the PI involved?


  • #603
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    CramCycle wrote: »
    His point was that it is a reasonable assumption that a similar percentage of all road users don't follow the law of the land in relation to driving to the letter. I imagine it's closer to 100%.

    Also did you read the full report and the interpretation by the PI involved?

    No need to read the full report, 87.5% deliberately ignore the R of the R,
    Just to get an idea, if you reply to this topic as a cyclist ndicate if you are one of the 87.5% or not


  • #604
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    CramCycle wrote: »
    His point was that it is a reasonable assumption that a similar percentage of all road users don't follow the law of the land in relation to driving to the letter. I imagine it's closer to 100%.

    Also did you read the full report and the interpretation by the PI involved?


    That being based on which survey where 100% admitted it, was it conducted at the same time that 87.5% of cyclists admitted it?


  • #605
    opti0nal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭opti0nal


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    No need to read the full report, 87.5% deliberately ignore the R of the R,
    Just to get an idea, if you reply to this topic as a cyclist ndicate if you are one of the 87.5% or not
    I'm relying as a driver. Are you one of the 78% that breaks urban speed limits?


  • #606
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    He wants to know you are one of the 87% who responded in that survey. answer him literally, because hes just repeats that statistic over and over. So if you didn't respond to that survey you can't be any part of that survey. Its not about taxi drivers who constantly ignore the law either.


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  • #607
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,153 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    No need to read the full report, 87.5% deliberately ignore the R of the R,
    There is a very real need, or else you get drastic misinterpretations of the data, the questions asked and start using inflammatory words like FLOUT instead of for perceived safety etc.
    Just to get an idea, if you reply to this topic as a cyclist ndicate if you are one of the 87.5% or not
    I am not, I tend to obey the law over the rules of the road, some interpretation of the law which is sometimes inaccurate or misleading.
    Spook_ie wrote: »
    That being based on which survey where 100% admitted it, was it conducted at the same time that 87.5% of cyclists admitted it?
    Imagine was the word, educational guess etc. At least read the posts you are responding too.


  • #608
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    opti0nal wrote: »
    I'm relying as a driver. Are you one of the 78% that breaks urban speed limits?

    No, do you break the R of the R while driving AND cycling then? or just when cycling? or kust when driving?

    %age wise you are likely to be a double offender


  • #609
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    I think there is a middle ground.

    While I don't agree with red light breakers, there are situations where cyclists going through a red is not a danger:

    Cyclist comes to a red, checks both ways and continues on through knowing no traffic is coming.

    On the other hand, sailing through a red without checking properly is retarded.

    People can argue all they want about safety gear not being needed on a bike. I wear safety gear while I cycle and will continue to do so, it's worked for me.

    I will always follow the rules of the road, whether I cycle, drive the car or drive my motorbike. I've made mistakes and will do in the future, but I refuse to ignore the rules of the road.


  • #610
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,237 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Can't believe a taxi driver is lecturing people on following the RotR.


  • #611
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Stark wrote: »
    Can't believe a taxi driver is lecturing people on following the RotR.

    Why? Because all taxi drivers in Dublin drive like Mad Max....! I drive in town everyday and my experience of taxi's is most of them can't be arsed stressing themselves out driving like lunatics.


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  • #612
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Why? Because all taxi drivers in Dublin drive like Mad Max....! I drive in town everyday and my experience of taxi's is most of them can't be arsed stressing themselves out driving like lunatics.

    Which alternative reality is this? Hard to take a photo in Dublin where a taxi isn't breaking the law. They can do even when they aren't moving.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w03p5c&s=6


  • #613
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    BostonB wrote: »
    Which alternative reality is this? Hard to take a photo in Dublin where a taxi isn't breaking the law. They can do even when they aren't moving.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w03p5c&s=6

    And how many people were injured while that photo was taken (sorry, couldn't resist).

    I drove home today from work, and I seen a lot of taxi's, none of them breaking the law. I did see quiet a few cyclists going through red lights though, cyclists changing road position without indicating they where going to change position, cyclists ignoring the cycle lane and cycle on the opposite side of the road! And yes I did see a couple of motorists go through a red light, which I do not endorse. If I was a traffic corp guard I slap em with points and fine.


  • #614
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,237 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    StinkyMunkey wrote:
    And how many people were injured while that photo was taken (sorry, couldn't resist).

    As many as were injured by cyclists ignoring the cycle lane I imagine. Parking on double yellow lines on bends forces motorists into unsafe blind positions when trying to use the junction. The taxis themselves might not be involved in collisions, but they're increasing the risk for others.
    StinkyMunkey wrote:
    cyclists changing road position without indicating they where going to change position
    Having a taxi driver pulling out in front of me on the M50 without indicating is a regular occurrence for me.


  • #615
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Stark wrote: »
    As many as were injured by cyclists ignoring the cycle lane I imagine. Parking on double yellow lines on bends forces motorists into unsafe blind positions when trying to use the junction. The taxis themselves might not be involved in collisions, but they're increasing the risk for others.


    Having a taxi driver pulling out in front of me on the M50 without indicating is a regular occurrence for me.

    Sorry if you didn't pick up on my not so subtle sarcasm, I'm aware of what the taxi's where doing.

    How about commenting on my trip home and not something said in jest!

    I'm sorry if taxi drivers single you out to pick on, but that's not my experience of them.


  • #616
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    ... and you're not picking up on my sarcasm. According to Sparkles, its not about how dangerous something is, its about, rule breaking and also this...
    Spook_ie wrote: »
    W...what has this to do with ...DELIBERATELY ignore the R of the R and expect other road users to compensate for that illegality

    Which is exactly what the taxi'es are doing. One is actually parked in the middle of the road/junction!


  • #617
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    BostonB wrote: »
    ... and you're not picking up on my sarcasm. According to Sparkles, its not about how dangerous something is, its about, rule breaking and also this...



    Which is exactly what the taxi'es are doing. One is actually parked in the middle of the road/junction!

    Im assuming you are talking about my comment made about sarcasm? I quoted Stark O.o

    As already stated, i was aware of what the taxi's driver where doing. Please quote me where i said the rules do not apply to everyone!

    We can bash taxi drivers in another thread, and no thier not all angels.


  • #618
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    One more time. Its about rule breaking.


  • #619
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I had an encounter with two cyclists in Fairview earlier. One of them sneered at me for standing too close while he was trying to cycle on the footpath, two abreast, with his mate. Felt like calling him every name under the sun, cycle on the road will ya! :mad:


  • #620
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Stark wrote: »
    Can't believe a taxi driver is lecturing people on following the RotR.
    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Why? Because all taxi drivers in Dublin drive like Mad Max....! I drive in town everyday and my experience of taxi's is most of them can't be arsed stressing themselves out driving like lunatics.


    BostonB wrote: »
    Which alternative reality is this? Hard to take a photo in Dublin where a taxi isn't breaking the law. They can do even when they aren't moving.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w03p5c&s=6

    And is my taxi in that photograph....Hmmmm....let me see......Hmmmmm.....Nope, still feel entirely justified giving advice about following R of the R


  • #621
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    It not my taxi either.
    So I feel equally justified.


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  • #622
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    BostonB wrote: »
    One more time. Its about rule breaking.

    One more time "everyone should obey the rules of the road". Im not disagreeing that the taxi's where in the wrong....!


  • #623
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And is my taxi in that photograph....Hmmmm....let me see......Hmmmmm.....Nope, still feel entirely justified giving advice about following R of the R

    I dont think you understand that taxi's are the bane of humanity and the rules of the road, and that a thread about a motorist nearly hitting a cyclist (or cyclist hitting a motorist, which ever floats your boat) makes it open season on taxi's. How can you look at yourself in the mirror, going out and earning a living. You do know you are the only taxi driver in dublin who actually follows the rules of the road.






    *Warning this post contains subtle sarcasm*


  • #624
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    One more time "everyone should obey the rules of the road". Im not disagreeing that the taxi's where in the wrong....!

    What if the Rules are wrong? For example previously you had to stay in a cycle lane even if it was more dangerous to do so.


  • #625
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    BostonB wrote: »
    What if the Rules are wrong? For example previously you had to stay in a cycle lane even if it was more dangerous to do so.

    I dont think a person should follow a rule that puts their life in danger, if its dangerous to cycle in a cycle lane, then dont, use another part of the road. Im not going to run a cyclist down just because he is not in the cycle lane O.o


  • #626
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    BostonB wrote: »
    What if the Rules are wrong? For example previously you had to stay in a cycle lane even if it was more dangerous to do so.

    Then campaign to get the rule changed, that's how democracies work.


  • #627
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Then campaign to get the rule changed, that's how democracies work.

    Anyway, i wasnt aware the rule book said a cyclist must use a cycle lane. If there is an obstruction or the cycle lane is in dis-repair common sense dictates that you should be aware of the risk and take action that does not put you or other road users at risk. Alot of the rules of the road are just plain common sense.


  • #628
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Anyway, i wasnt aware the rule book said a cyclist must use a cycle lane. If there is an obstruction or the cycle lane is in dis-repair common sense dictates that you should be aware of the risk and take action that does not put you or other road users at risk. Alot of the rules of the road are just plain common sense.

    It doesn't anymore, but there used to be mandatory cycle lanes, the requirement to use a mandatory cycle lane was dispensed with in late 2012.

    However, there is still a mandatory requirement for vehicles ( a bicycle is still a vehicle ) to obey traffic laws in general...especially RED STOP LIGHTS


  • #629
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,645 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Anyway, i wasnt aware the rule book said a cyclist must use a cycle lane. If there is an obstruction or the cycle lane is in dis-repair common sense dictates that you should be aware of the risk and take action that does not put you or other road users at risk. Alot of the rules of the road are just plain common sense.
    It did indeed, if a cycle lane was provided it had to be used, which of course was totally impractical and unworkable in the real world and thankfully has been revoked.
    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Then campaign to get the rule changed, that's how democracies work.
    It should never have been a rule in the first place, was brought in by some jobsworth with no accountability and should not need to be campaigned against to get rid of.


  • #630
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    It doesn't anymore, but there used to be mandatory cycle lanes, the requirement to use a mandatory cycle lane was dispensed with in late 2012.

    However, there is still a mandatory requirement for vehicles ( a bicycle is still a vehicle ) to obey traffic laws in general...especially RED STOP LIGHTS

    Just like is for taxi's. But they ignore a whole plethora of rules.

    According to you if a rule exists, regardless if it dangerous or not, like mandatory cycle lanes it should be followed.


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  • #631
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Anyway, i wasn't aware the rule book said a cyclist must use a cycle lane. If there is an obstruction or the cycle lane is in dis-repair common sense dictates that you should be aware of the risk and take action that does not put you or other road users at risk. Alot of the rules of the road are just plain common sense.

    How about the rule on red lights. Why is different here to other countries where they let cyclists go through. Or even in the US where its different for drivers also.

    http://www.johncletheroe.org/usa_can/driving/right.htm

    A lot of the time rule continues to exist because no one questions the logic of it.

    Considering the lack of enforcement of existing laws, the solution isn't creating more laws and regulations.


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