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Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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  • #812
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Richard Boyd Barrett would never lie!

    O' well that reason is enough to impose that everyone else is lying of course too! :rolleyes:

    What stupidity abounds in Ireland!


  • #813
    Biggins
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    road_high wrote: »
    Yesterday was an epic failure. Hence the desperation to massage the figures.

    The whole things was a farce as regards the unions - they are a sick joke like the government they are inclusion with.

    The protest yesterday was joined by a number of other protest groups - despite some Gardi trying to stop them.


  • #814
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Biggins wrote: »
    O' well that reason is enough to impose that everyone else is lying of course too! :rolleyes:

    What stupidity abounds in Ireland!

    Just because the numbers yesterday were rubbish and you are clearly frustrated hugely by that. Just accept the true Garda figures and move on.


  • #815
    Morag
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    road_high wrote: »
    Just because the numbers yesterday were rubbish and you are clearly frustrated hugely by that. Just accept the true Garda figures and move on.

    Garda figures have been prove to be wrong before, and after so many 'corrections' in the last 6 months I'd not trust them.


  • #816
    Biggins
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    road_high wrote: »
    Just because the numbers yesterday were rubbish and you are clearly frustrated hugely by that. Just accept the true Garda figures and move on.

    So you then consider even 50,000 - 60,000 protesters as the ICTU stated (LINK) as also rubbish effort?

    Your attitude towards the non-complacent Irish public stinks.


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  • #817
    Phill Ewinn
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    hmmm wrote: »
    25,000 PS workers saying "no to austerity" (i.e. don't cut my pay or reduce government waste, instead increase everyones taxes) has nothing to do with debt.

    Austerity march hijacked by PS unions. You couldn't make that up. Hope they have to fill out forms in triplicate and travel between umpteen different departments for the rest of their lives.


  • #818
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    Biggins wrote: »
    O' well that reason is enough to impose that everyone else is lying of course too! :rolleyes:

    What stupidity abounds in Ireland!

    well bigins if the other numbers were massaged like the galway gathering was then they are lying through their teeth

    i couldn't believe it when the first thing the mc said in galway was fair play to the 5000+ that have come out today but where we were all gathered wouldn't hold 5000 ffs!!


  • #819
    mikemac1
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    PS public sector
    PS private sector

    Some terms are clear, that isn't one of them :o


  • #820
    road_high
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    Biggins wrote: »

    Your attitude towards the non-complacent Irish public stinks.

    Hardly. Just pointing out they are by some margin the minority out there.


  • #821
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Your attitude towards the non-complacent Irish public stinks.

    Give it a rest biggins :rolleyes:


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  • #822
    Biggins
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    road_high wrote: »
    Hardly. Just pointing out they are by some margin the minority out there.

    At least they turned up - what ever the reason how they got there (by union transport), or by independent organised wheels or by private transport ...at least they turned up.


  • #823
    Biggins
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    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Give it a rest biggins :rolleyes:

    I just taking one right now.
    My feet are tired! :cool:


  • #824
    mikemac1
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    Biggins wrote: »

    ...And that folks, is quite possibly the sad truth![/I]

    Reads like something on Indymedia


  • #825
    RoundyMooney
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    Christ, yesterday, Clare Daly was touted in almost lovestruck tones as a feckin' globetrotter because she went 25 miles up the road to Drogheda and back in an evening.

    And today, 100,000 is the same as 40 to 50,000. And if you disagree, your attitude stinks.

    This arrogance and pig-headed approach to discussion is a pain in the hole.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl9zYS3_dc


  • #826
    Biggins
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    For accuracy sake - and not convenient short-cuts that some like to take - Daly on Wednesday, attended a meeting in Dublin before 6.
    Thereafter she went to another one in Swords after 6, then on to Drogheda for 8.30 meeting - then on back to Dublin for 10.30 TV3 news group gathering.

    Anyone that trying to whitewash over those more accurate facts is possibly 'stinking" of inaccuracy for convenience sake.


  • #827
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    Biggins wrote: »
    For accuracy sake - and not convenient short-cuts that some like to take - Daly on Wednesday, attended a meeting in Dublin before 6.
    Thereafter she went to another one in Swords after 6, then on to Drogheda for 8.30 meeting - then on back to Dublin for 10.30 TV3 news group gathering.

    Anyone that trying to whitewash over those more accurate facts is possibly 'stinking" of inaccuracy for convenience sake.

    you could try call them sheep again Biggins ;) really drive home that point


  • #828
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    Biggins wrote: »
    For accuracy sake - and not convenient short-cuts that some like to take - Daly on Wednesday, attended a meeting in Dublin before 6.
    Thereafter she went to another one in Swords after 6, then on to Drogheda for 8.30 meeting - then on back to Dublin for 10.30 TV3 news group gathering.

    So, yeah-Dublin to Drogheda and back in an evening then. No more than many elected representatives do, I'm sure.

    Because she stood in the same hall as you for however long the meeting was, spoke to the assembled spectators, and had the burden of being unflatteringly photographed from the other end of the room, doesn't mean that we all have to acknowledge her as Ireland's hardest working TD on your say so.
    Biggins wrote: »
    Anyone that trying to whitewash over those more accurate facts is possibly 'stinking" of inaccuracy for convenience sake.

    I have no idea what that means.


  • #829
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Biggins wrote: »
    The whole things was a farce as regards the unions - they are a sick joke like the government they are inclusion with.

    The protest yesterday was joined by a number of other protest groups - despite some Gardi trying to stop them.

    Were you there yesterday?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #830
    Biggins
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    Were you there yesterday?

    Yes.
    (As I was at the Wed' meeting also)

    And I'm not debating directly with Roundmooney as his previous interactions, their consistent low quality with me is on record with top mods of boards.ie and above (who has contacted me) who are continuously monitoring the quality of his posts.


  • #831
    darkhorse
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    hmmm wrote: »
    has nothing to do with debt.

    Thousands rally against austerity | BreakingNews.ie

    Estimated 45,000 turn out for bank debt protest | BreakingNews.ie

    Take yer pick.


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  • #832
    20Cent
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    I guess the proof of the pudding will be Croke Park 2.
    Anyone expecting large paycuts, redundancies and an end to increments?
    I'm not.


  • #833
    tenton
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    20Cent wrote: »
    I guess the proof of the pudding will be Croke Park 2.
    Anyone expecting large paycuts, redundancies and an end to increments?

    yes there will be large paycuts and large pension cuts and reduced waste like sickies and days off for xmas shopping.

    more public servants took sickies last week than turned out for the march. that says a lot.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sickies-in-public-service-twice-that-of-private-sector-26798438.html


  • #834
    RoundyMooney
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Yes.
    (As I was at the Wed' meeting also)

    And I'm not debating directly with Roundmooney as his previous interactions, their consistent low quality with me is on record with top mods of boards.ie and above (who has contacted me) who are continuously monitoring the quality of his posts.

    You've made that false claim, together with a number of vague and psuedo dramatic statements before, on Feedback, and an admin had to step in and, shall we say, correct yet another lie, in fairness to them. Perhaps you'd like to repeat it again? I'm sure they have better things to be doing, and I really would rather you didn't.

    Anyway, regarding these marches, they were in essence, a failure-despite some tabloid commentary to the contrary. Due in no small part to the fragmented nature of the attendees, general lack of engagement with the public (and public service employees) and the inability of a small minority at the Dublin event to behave themselves.

    Despite some vitriolic commentary around the web, aimed at members of AGS, I doubt any garda wants to go out and crack heads at a public and lawful gathering of protesters. The rank and file Gardaí are suffering just the same as many others.


  • #835
    Yitzhak Rabin
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    The march was a farce. It was a disjointed collective whinge.

    You had groups there opposing the property tax, while the organisers ICTU are in favour of the tax.

    All this was, was an attempt by the unions to gain a bit of leverage in the pay talks by showing they can mobilize their members (they failed in that) joined by the usual assortment of the perma-whingers on the left who felt they could vaguely identify with the bland 'jobs not debt' tagline.

    100,000+? Thats hilarious...


  • #836
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    The question is why, I think.

    Why is there what seems to be a lack of appetite for lawful organised protest?

    Is it that things aren't as bad as portrayed? I have no doubt that for many, they are-but enough to bring about change by strength of numbers?

    Is it that people are apathetic? The medical card and abortion sagas would seem to indicate that people can get behind an issue when they want to.

    Is it that the organisers behind such events are portrayed as cranks, fractured and divided (like the Far Left in this country in general), and those who would attend such protests are put off by the lack of credence engendered by some guy with a megaphone shouting at Labour party members?

    I think it may be a little of all three, and as well as that, while no one bar the most devout of FG or Labour members would be a hundred percent happy with all the actions of the incumbent government, many people would acknowledge that they are doing something. Getting a lot wrong, yes-but overall a better prospect than any of the opposition, FF's 26% in the polls notwithstanding.

    I'd take a risky guess that they've gone a long way toward securing a second term with the result of the roller coaster that was #promnight.


  • #837
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Biggins wrote: »
    Yes.
    (As I was at the Wed' meeting also)

    And I'm not debating directly with Roundmooney as his previous interactions, their consistent low quality with me is on record with top mods of boards.ie and above (who has contacted me) who are continuously monitoring the quality of his posts.

    Oh right - I was too and I support what the march stood for but exaggerating the numbers to 100,000 is not helpful at all

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #838
    woodoo
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    20Cent wrote: »
    I guess the proof of the pudding will be Croke Park 2.
    Anyone expecting large paycuts, redundancies and an end to increments?
    I'm not.

    After listening to Howlin on the week in politics this morning. I don't see large paycuts or an end to increments. There will be voluntary redundancies and some other compromises on the working week, some small paycuts and changes to overtime rates etc.

    Howlin accepted that public servants have been hit quite hard over the last 4 years or so. With the paycut, pension levy and all the other taxes and charges that were imposed on the country.

    For people who listen to any of Denis O'Brien's radio stations or read his papers. There has been a bit of brainwashing going on in relation to the public service. The amount of times i have seen or heard statements containing the words "and the public service remain untouched" is ridiculous. People end up believing it.


  • #839
    20Cent
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    Sunday Independent has 100,000 on its front page.


  • #840
    woodoo
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    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    Why is there what seems to be a lack of appetite for lawful organised protest?

    People probably feel they should be protesting and should have already protested but are embarrassed they didn't So they rubbish the whole idea now to make themselves OK with their passiveness.


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  • #841
    Bloody*Mary
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    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    The question is why, I think.

    Why is there what seems to be a lack of appetite for lawful organised protest?

    Is it that things aren't as bad as portrayed? I have no doubt that for many, they are-but enough to bring about change by strength of numbers?

    Is it that people are apathetic? The medical card and abortion sagas would seem to indicate that people can get behind an issue when they want to.

    Is it that the organisers behind such events are portrayed as cranks, fractured and divided (like the Far Left in this country in general), and those who would attend such protests are put off by the lack of credence engendered by some guy with a megaphone shouting at Labour party members?




    think it may be a little of all three, and as well as that, while no one bar the most devout of FG or Labour members would be a hundred percent happy with all the actions of the incumbent government, many people would acknowledge that they are doing something. Getting a lot wrong, yes-but overall a better prospect than any of the opposition, FF's 26% in the polls notwithstanding.

    I'd take a risky guess that they've gone a long way toward securing a second term with the result of the roller coaster that was #promnight.

    Excellent post Roundy , sums it up well.


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