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Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

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    #272
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Great. And when Ireland legislates for same sex marriage and abortion.


    I wouldn't bank on it dude...:)


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    #273
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Sarky wrote: »
    *peeks into thread*

    Oh, Silvio is being proven incorrect on everything again, and he's resorting to asinine insults and running away from facts instead of examining his faulty belief. Back to my weekend away, then.

    *cracks open a beer*


    I believe Clare Daly is doing a great line in hot whiskeys. They don't even show up on breat tests...:D


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    #274
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I believe Clare Daly is doing a great line in hot whiskeys. They don't even show up on breat tests...:D

    What's a breat test? Is that some sort of conservative code for alter wine?


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    #275
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I wouldn't bank on it dude...:)

    See, here's the wonderful thing about democracy (as much as you seem to hate it); The majority decide the law of the land. Close-minded zealots such as yourself are now the minority. If gay marriage was put to the people tomorrow, the pro-equality/pro-gay marriage side would win in a landslide. Same for abortion. And we would celebrate as conservatives like the pathetic worm Quinn cry crocodile tears for a place and mindset that died 30 years ago.


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    #276
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I believe Clare Daly is doing a great line in hot whiskeys. They don't even show up on breat tests...:D

    Responding with an uninspired, unrelated non-issue rather than accept you have nothing. Bingo.

    *takes a drink*


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    #277
    Bannasidhe
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    Sarky wrote: »
    Responding with an uninspired, unrelated non-issue rather than accept you have nothing. Bingo.

    *takes a drink*

    I made a chili chocolate and pear tart. It was yum.


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    #278
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    At least 98% more relevant than Silvio's posts to this thread.


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    #279
    Silvio.Dante
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    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    See, here's the wonderful thing about democracy (as much as you seem to hate it); The majority decide the law of the land. Close-minded zealots such as yourself are now the minority. If gay marriage was put to the people tomorrow, the pro-equality/pro-gay marriage side would win in a landslide. Same for abortion. And we would celebrate as conservatives like the pathetic worm Quinn cry crocodile tears for a place and mindset that died 30 years ago.


    Celebrating the introduction of the intentional killing unborn babies.

    Real classy...:(


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    #280
    Bannasidhe
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Celebrating the introduction of the intentional killing unborn babies.

    Real classy...:(

    Silvio - still waiting to hear if you are still so gung-ho about 'traditional' marriages?


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    #281
    Branch Meeting
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 72 ✭✭Branch Meeting


    Never heard of these dudes Iona. Sounds like these Nazi's should be banned.

    So what have they done that's gotten people so pissed ?


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    #282
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Silvio - still waiting to hear if you are still so gung-ho about 'traditional' marriages?


    Sure am...:p


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    #283
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Branch Meeting wrote: »
    Never heard of these dudes Iona. Sounds like these Nazi's should be banned.

    So what have they done that's gotten people so pissed ?

    They eat ther first born and vote Fianne Fáil...:D


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    #284
    Doctor Strange
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Celebrating the introduction of the intentional killing unborn babies.

    Real classy...:(

    Thanks for that intelligent and well thought-out response.


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    #285
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Thanks for that intelligent and well thought-out response.

    You condemn yourself with your own words...


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    #286
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    You condemn yourself with your own words...

    :confused: I'm sorry, but what in the name of jaysus are you waffling about now?


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    #287
    Nodin
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Celebrating the introduction of the intentional killing unborn babies.

    Real classy...:(


    Doesn't it get tiring trotting out the few variations on "waah de babees" ? Surely an attempt at a reasoned argument would be at least less boring.


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    #288
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nodin wrote: »
    Doesn't it get tiring trotting out the few variations on "waah de babees" ? Surely an attempt at a reasoned argument would be at least less boring.


    The holocaust of unborn babies is kind of tragic in my view, not something to be celebrated...


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    #289
    Popinjay
    Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭Popinjay


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The holocaust of unborn babies is kind of tragic in my view, not something to be celebrated...

    Now there's a band name for that image in the Funny Side thread:

    Unborn Baby Holocaust

    I would say that they are, as my dear mother would put it 'Metal as fuck!'

    The dear woman recently sent me a new belt with a skull and cross bones buckle all the way to Australia, just because she saw it and felt it was something that needed to be bought.


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    #290
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    So, who do you want chosen as the token Christian..?

    I would rather no christian opinion. I do not believe in religious freedom. If you are religious you are indoctrinated / brainwashed. You should be disallowed from holding any position of authority.

    Religion is such a devious mind controlling tool. The fact that the original religious con men were able to infiltrate positions of power and put protection in place for their con, the fact that this protection still exists sickens me.
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Legitimising abortion, dismantling the concept of marriage and banishing faith education in Irish schools.

    Thats what its like in 'Liberal' Ireland...:(

    In other words you oppose treating the public as responsible adults .....
    Some delusional organisation knows best.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Indeed. Prior to the Conquest (completed in the mid 17th century) Gaelic Ireland was a highly secular society where marriage was seen as a one of several options to ensure allies. It was political.

    But then you do believe foreign powers have the right to tell us how to live so I guess you don't think much of genuinely traditional Irish values.

    Great post. I still cannot understand why the RCC have no problem with abortion in Italy, but do here.
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Article 41 states quite clearly the basis of marriage in thie country. An Adam and Steve marriage would be incompatibale... Don't take my word for it. Ho Chi Quinn agrees with me...:)

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0710/328518-gay-marriage-referendum/
    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    See, here's the wonderful thing about democracy (as much as you seem to hate it); The majority decide the law of the land. Close-minded zealots such as yourself are now the minority. If gay marriage was put to the people tomorrow, the pro-equality/pro-gay marriage side would win in a landslide. Same for abortion. And we would celebrate as conservatives like the pathetic worm Quinn cry crocodile tears for a place and mindset that died 30 years ago.



    92% of the country is RCC. Approx half are women who have no rights in the RCC.

    Of those 92% of RCC 3/4 would vote for same sex marriages against what they have been forced to believe. fcuking madness
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    You condemn yourself with your own words...

    I think you are doing a fine job on your own there sil
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The holocaust of unborn babies is kind of tragic in my view, not something to be celebrated...

    What about stealing or killing babies. What about miscarriage


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    #291
    Bannasidhe
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    the culture of deference wrote: »


    Great post. I still cannot understand why the RCC have no problem with abortion in Italy, but do here.

    The RCC do have a problem with it in Italy but, unlike in Ireland, the leaders of the drive for Italian unification (Cavour, Garibaldi, and Mazzini) refused to bend the knee to the RCC, which was not only anti-unification, it also controlled The Papal States, had it's own army plus the backing of Napoleon III's French army.

    A civil war was fought between the Kingdom of Italy and The Roman Catholic Church backed by France.

    In 1870 the New Italian government openly declared war on 'Rome', laid siege to the city, captured it and in 1871 allowed the people to vote whether they wanted to be part of Italy....from that point until the creation of the State of the Vatican City in 1929 when Mussolini both bought them off and officially declared the Vatican independent from Italy, the Papacy confined itself (spinning it to make it look like they were being confined) to pretty much what is now the Vatican and refused to engage diplomatically with the Italian government.

    So from the very beginning the Italian government made it's independence from the Vatican clear, openly defied the Papacy, declared war on it and essentially told it to butt out of internal Italian affairs....

    Ireland on the other hand.....


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    #292
    Bannasidhe
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Sure am...:p

    Whose tradition exactly do you want us to have as it certainly isn't the form of marriage that held sway on this island for close on 2000 years?


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    #293
    Corkfeen
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    Silvio, if it passed in a referendum. Would you still think it was okay for the government to prevent same sex marriages as it's not traditional? Just want to see if you have a consistently warped view of democratic will.


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    #294
    Benny_Cake
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    the culture of deference wrote: »
    92% of the country is RCC. Approx half are women who have no rights in the RCC.

    Of those 92% of RCC 3/4 would vote for same sex marriages against what they hae been forced to believe. fcuking madness

    So anyone who is religious has been brainwashed and indoctrinated, but by your own admission, 3/4 of Irish Catholics have made up their own minds about the issue of gay marriage and gone against what their church teaches? Doesn't sound like very successful brainwashing to me.


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    #295
    the culture of deference
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    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    So anyone who is religious has been brainwashed and indoctrinated, but by your own admission, 3/4 of Irish Catholics have made up their own minds about the issue of gay marriage and gone against what their church teaches? Doesn't sound like very successful brainwashing to me.

    The majority of the 92% of census catholics aren't religious or catholic.

    Why is religion still here?


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    #296
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    the culture of deference wrote: »

    The majority of the 92% of census catholics aren't religious or catholic.

    Why is religion still here?

    It seems to me that people are, by and large, able to keep the parts of their religious tradition which make sense to them and discard those parts which don't.I can see why a religious fundamentalist might have a problem with that but I can't see how someone who presumably considers themselves a free-thinker could have a problem with people making up their own minds.

    Are you seriously arguing that someone who believes in God (or gods) should have their civil rights removed?


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    #297
    Branch Meeting
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    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    It seems to me that people are, by and large, able to keep the parts of their religious tradition which make sense to them and discard those parts which don't.I can see why a religious fundamentalist might have a problem with that but I can't see how someone who presumably considers themselves a free-thinker could have a problem with people making up their own minds.

    Are you seriously arguing that someone who believes in God (or gods) should have their civil rights removed?

    Just wondering when did Catholic doctrine switch to a la carte democratic popular vote ?

    "Nah Jesus/God dude, we want you to teach this instead, its much more fashionable these days man, cause we want to be with it in the world man"

    I've no problem with what you believe, but at least be honest enough to join the correct Church for what you believe, instead of remaining yet another hypocritical 'cultural' Catholic, backing two different horses.


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    #298
    ironingbored
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    the culture of deference wrote: »
    Great post. I still cannot understand why the RCC have no problem with abortion in Italy, but do here.

    Although the Pope is given to sermons on the evils of abortion, very little heed is taken by the general populace in Italy.

    Since unification and subsequently post-WWII Italy has had a very strong secular - dare I say - majority, hence secular schools, etc.

    It was mainly the Italian left (communists, socialists, labour and feminist movements) who fought for and obtained divorce (1971), abortion rights (1978), etc.

    Fact is, it is just not an issue in Italy The right would never touch the subject as there is broad support for abortion across the political spectrum. So much so that the Vatican rarely brings any political clout it may have to bear as it knows it's a non-runner.

    Whenever I speak to Italians about the history of contraception, divorce, pro-choice/abortion in Ireland, I usually spend the next 2 mins picking their jaws of the floor.


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    #299
    the culture of deference
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    Benny_Cake wrote: »

    Are you seriously arguing that someone who believes in Unicorns (or loch ness monsters) should have their civil rights removed?

    I have edited your quote.

    I am saying religion shouldn't be protected.

    Religion is able to infiltrate positions of power and put protection in place for their con, the fact that this protection still exists sickens me.
    ironingbored wrote: »
    So much so that the Vatican rarely brings any political clout it may have to bear as it knows it's a non-runner.

    If only that were true here


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    #300
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    It seems to me that people are, by and large, able to keep the parts of their religious tradition which make sense to them and discard those parts which don't.I can see why a religious fundamentalist might have a problem with that but I can't see how someone who presumably considers themselves a free-thinker could have a problem with people making up their own minds.

    Because, if you are looking at Irish cultural Catholics picking and choosing, its pretty much the equivalent of someone being a member of the KKK simply because they like their Sunday cake sales.
    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Are you seriously arguing that someone who believes in God (or gods) should have their civil rights removed?

    Which civil rights?


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    #301
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Mark Hamill wrote: »

    Because, if you are looking at Irish cultural Catholics picking and choosing, its pretty much the equivalent of someone being a member of the KKK simply because they like their Sunday cake sales.


    Which civil rights?

    The poster I was responding to said:
    I would rather no christian opinion. I do not believe in religious freedom. If you are religious you are indoctrinated / brainwashed. You should be disallowed from holding any position of authority.

    Being able to run for, and if elected, hold, public office is a civil right in my view.Regardless of religion, or lack of religion, everybody should have the right to do this.This goes for believers in unicorns or the Loch Ness monster as well.If voters want to reject a person because they don't agree with those beliefs, they are of course free to vote for someone else.

    It is interesting to see such concern that Catholics aren't toeing the line, but if the 92% or whatever it is were toeing the line we probably wouldn't have divorce or contraception in this country, and we wouldn't be discussing gay marriage as the sodomy laws would still be on the books.Something to be welcomed surely?


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