Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:24PM

rolliepoley wrote: »

Most people did'nt march today because they knew it was a complete waste of time that wouuld achieve nothing, if the people new there would be an outcome they would of happyily got off their arses to march, but why should they when the unions had'nt got them in their thought but only the thoughts of themselfs and all their public sector buddies,
give the people some action instead of shouts and crys and you will see alot more at these marches.

ah this old chestnut.

i've been to a few protests the last 4 years and at this stage i've heard every excuse imaginable from those too afraid or lazy to get off their h0les.

masses of people thinking sure what's the pint is the crux as to why the gatherings of practical handfuls of people have failed.

we need less excuses and more action from the whole lot of us but as far as i can see you lot will never ever wake up and smell the coffee

Almaviva · 09-02-2013 09:27PM

samsemtex wrote: »

You are one of the most deluded, uninformed and easily led persons i have ever heard.

Thanks.

samsemtex wrote: »

Why didnt you answer my question about why its fair that the average Irish person has lost €9000 (not including the €18billion taken from the pension reserve fund because of this European Banking crisis, while the average European has lost €192.

First, I am sceptical about the figure. But taking it at face value nonetheless. It was in our interest, despite the unfairness, to do so. Being unfair does not mean it was not a good option. Consensus is that our politicians made a bad mistake, misled by our bad bankers, on the night of the bank guarantee. Our leaders. We elected them. So that is just too bad. A huge number of Europeans included in that average could argue that they should not have contributed anything - that they were nothing to do with it. We were, and mismanaged our economy and our banking regulation. So we must pay. And it seems that the latest restructuring of the loan will reduce that burden, so things have improved.

road_high · 09-02-2013 09:29PM

G Power wrote: »

ah this old chestnut.

i've been to a few protests the last 4 years and at this stage i've heard every excuse imaginable from those too afraid or lazy to get off their h0les.

masses of people thinking sure what's the pint is the crux as to why the gatherings of practical handfuls of people have failed.

we need less excuses and more action from the whole lot of us but as far as i can see you lot will never ever wake up and smell the coffee

Already have. The fact that the country is still living way beyond it's means cuts in public spending are neccessary. Protesting under meaningless slogans won't change reality.

rolliepoley · 09-02-2013 09:29PM

G Power wrote: »

ah this old chestnut.

i've been to a few protests the last 4 years and at this stage i've heard every excuse imaginable from those too afraid or lazy to get off their h0les.

masses of people thinking sure what's the pint is the crux as to why the gatherings of practical handfuls of people have failed.

we need less excuses and more action from the whole lot of us but as far as i can see you lot will never ever wake up and smell the coffee

who the hell is you lot?
what is that supposed to mean.

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:37PM

rolliepoley wrote: »

who the hell is you lot?
what is that supposed to mean.

those who will use any excuse they can to excuse their lack of interest in joining tens of thousands of concerned citizens at any protest/march and therefore letting the whole effort fail because of it!!

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:39PM

road_high wrote: »

Already have. The fact that the country is still living way beyond it's means cuts in public spending are neccessary. Protesting under meaningless slogans won't change reality.

yes but my point is there will never be a slogan good enough for all the highly strung sheeple in the country and unless we stop getting bogged down by meaningless excuses we will never ever see true change that will end corruption and the stranglehold the crazies have on us all

Almaviva · 09-02-2013 09:41PM

G Power wrote: »

unless we stop getting bogged down by meaningless excuses we will never ever see true change that will end corruption and the stranglehold the crazies have on us all

Time for the tinfoil hat man !

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 09:44PM

Almaviva wrote: »

Thanks.

First, I am sceptical about the figure. But taking it at face value nonetheless. It was in our interest, despite the unfairness, to do so. Being unfair does not mean it was not a good option. Consensus is that our politicians made a bad mistake, misled by our bad bankers, on the night of the bank guarantee. Our leaders. We elected them. So that is just too bad. A huge number of Europeans included in that average could argue that they should not have contributed anything - that they were nothing to do with it. We were, and mismanaged our economy and our banking regulation. So we must pay. And it seems that the latest restructuring of the loan will reduce that burden, so things have improved.

You make no sense at all. How on earth is it in our interest to destroy our country. All our youth are leaving,, unemployment is rife and the domestic economy is dead. You sympathise with this huge number of Europeans who have done nothing yet you are more than happy that the huge number of Irish people who did nothing to cause it either.

This notion that the Irish caused this any more than the rest of Europe is so far off base. It's not even remotely true and then our gob****e leader says it at an EU conference. And you of course, not willing to do any research on how the rest of Europes banks were behaving, go along with it. Our country will not recover from this for a long time, that is not in our interest.

Anyway your main point is that you think it was a good thing for Ireland to save the EU banking system and then pay for the cost of it too? If thats what you're saying then your ability to think rationally is in serious doubt.

So despite the fact that the rest of the EU banks (including Germanys) were on the brink of collapse too you think its entirely right that we are the only ones paying for it. We saved the European banking system ffs! They were all just as bad but we went first which bought them time to save themselves.

You dont think that because we saved the banking system of Europe we should have asked for any form of burden sharing in return? Wow...just wow.

woodoo · 09-02-2013 09:45PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Massive pensions? where did you get that from? or is it just assumption?

Nobody in the CIE retires on less than €150,000 per year pension didn't you know.

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:45PM

Almaviva wrote: »

Time for the tinfoil hat man !

are you for real??

did ya see the report during the week where Ireland is fully implicated in supporting americas dodgy rendition flights through shannon?? and if ya just opened your eyes you'd see there's a lot worse things happening that are being completely controlled and steered by bat **** crazy lunatics and our lads are only to happy to enable!!

starlings · 09-02-2013 09:46PM

G Power wrote: »

those who will use any excuse they can to excuse their lack of interest in joining tens of thousands of concerned citizens at any protest/march and therefore letting the whole effort fail because of it!!

disagreement is hardly an excuse; it's a reason. 'Course you can always just dismiss those who disagree with you as 'sheeple' - that's such a persuasive argument and will no doubt increase your numbers for the next march. :rolleyes:

rolliepoley · 09-02-2013 09:48PM

G Power wrote: »

those who will use any excuse they can to excuse their lack of interest in joining tens of thousands of concerned citizens at any protest/march and therefore letting the whole effort fail because of it!!

Listen G power that dosent explain the you lot, what gives you the right to call somebody you lot sounds very strange, what are ya atall, some piece of all high and mighty, (talking about snobbery). im going to stop now because your just rabbiting on and your just spreading the muck with your other thread.

woodoo · 09-02-2013 09:48PM

road_high wrote: »

Already have. The fact that the country is still living way beyond it's means cuts in public spending are neccessary. Protesting under meaningless slogans won't change reality.

The government seem to be indicating that they may go a little easier on the next 2 budgets with the money saved on the promissory notes. The PS and their unions will be pushing hard now to ensure they aren't hit.

jaffacakesyum · 09-02-2013 09:49PM

G Power wrote: »

why didn't you do it yesterday and hit the streets today??

Because protesting won't magically transport us back in time before idiot voters, FF and the bankers fúcked us over. I was just a kid basically when people were voting for FF first time around and even I knew better.

So don't act like you're the only one to be fúcked over. I have too and if I thought protesting today would bring along a magic fairy to vanish out debt believe me I would.

We have to pay the consequences for how ridiculous our country has been.

You're angry at everybody in this thread who didn't go out to protest today. I'm not angry at anybody who decides to protest. That's the difference between me and all the pro-protesters on this thread. I couldn't give two shíts if you had a bit of a march and a sing-a-long today. If you think that's going to do some good, more power to ya. I personally don't agree with the march and don't think it will do any good - personally I think there are productive things you could be doing. But c'est la vie.

AlekSmart · 09-02-2013 09:50PM

samsemtex wrote: »

You are one of the most deluded, uninformed and easily led persons i have ever heard.

Why didnt you answer my question about why its fair that the average Irish person has lost €9000 (not including the €18billion taken from the pension reserve fund because of this European Banking crisis, while the average European has lost €192. You do realise we took on Anglo's debt because the ECB asked us to so we wouldnt spread contagion to the rest of the EU? We bailed out the EU, we stopped the banks all around Europe collapsing. We bought them time and took on private debt.

Impressive figures indeed,and if we are honest,probably about right in comparative terms too.

Mind you,the "average" European was'nt getting themselves entwined in 40 year mortgages on poorly constructed housing units built in totally unsustainable locations.

The same "average" European was'nt drawing down nearly as much as his Irish counterpart,in whatever discipline they worked.

The "average" European was living in a modest but affordable apartment,usually in a City with highly subsidised easily accessible Public Transport,which also allowed our "average" European to avoid "having" to source a "Car Loan".

Our "average" European would be paying substantially more in Tax and Social Contributions all along,in addition to their Local Taxation,Water and Refuse Charges and in some locations a Religion tax......

Lets not get to maudlin,but we remain firmly wedded to the notion that Free Stuff actually exists,and until that finally evaporates then the work of the IMF,ECB and the rest will not be done.

road_high · 09-02-2013 09:51PM

woodoo wrote: »

The government seem to be indicating that they may go a little easier on the next 2 budgets with the money saved on the promissory notes. The PS and their unions will be pushing hard now to ensure they aren't hit.

I never heard them say this. Sounds like more like wishful thinking than anything else. Still a running €12 Billion spending deficit. The Promissory note deal ain't gona change that so push away

deise blue · 09-02-2013 09:51PM

ballygowan1 wrote: »

The fact that this was organized by Siptu put everyone off. People know exactly what Unions have done to the country.

A bit of research wouldn't go astray - the march was not organised by SIPTU.

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 09:54PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Because protesting won't magically transport us back in time before idiot voters, FF and the bankers fúcked us over. I was just a kid basically when people were voting for FF first time around and even I knew better.

So don't act like you're the only one to be fúcked over. I have too and if I thought protesting today would bring along a magic fairy to vanish out debt believe me I would.

We have to pay the consequences for how ridiculous our country has been.

You're angry at everybody in this thread who didn't go out to protest today. I'm not angry at anybody who decides to protest. That's the difference between me and all the pro-protesters on this thread. I couldn't give two shíts if you had a bit of a march and a sing-a-long today. If you think that's going to do some good, more power to ya. I personally don't agree with the march and don't think it will do any good - personally I think there are productive things you could be doing. But c'est la vie.

Oh so FF ****ed us over did they? Well then surely you are all in support of a government that is far superior and does things right yeah? Fine Gael are following FFs policies but they just dont have the calibre of politician to do it as effectively as FF did. Its about time you realised we replaced one crooked government which didnt care about the people with another only this one is even less effective. But good man sure, blindly follow them anyway just because "well at least they arent FF".

G Power · 09-02-2013 10:02PM

deise blue wrote: »

A bit of research wouldn't go astray - the march was not organised by SIPTU.

seen what they wanted to see and ran with it!! denial is like that

starlings · 09-02-2013 10:04PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Oh so FF ****ed us over did they? Well then surely you are all in support of a government that is far superior and does things right yeah? Fine Gael are following FFs policies but they just dont have the calibre of politician to do it as effectively as FF did. Its about time you realised we replaced one crooked government which didnt care about the people with another only this one is even less effective. But good man sure, blindly follow them anyway just because "well at least they arent FF".

would you please credit jaffacakesyum with the intelligence s/he has shown in not being so binary about the matter? It is possible to be neither FF nor FG, though you seem hell-bent on another civil war.

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 10:14PM

starlings wrote: »

would you please credit jaffacakesyum with the intelligence s/he has shown in not being so binary about the matter? It is possible to be neither FF nor FG, though you seem hell-bent on another civil war.

Why would i credit someone for defending a government who are carrying out the exact same policies as the one he has just called out for causing that mess? I dont know who he supports if anybody but blindly congratulating FG when they have probably worsened the situation and have achieved absolutely nothing. The "deal" they got could have been achieved by anybody. Thats what happens though when all our leaders are teachers.

Hilly Bill · 09-02-2013 10:17PM

woodoo wrote: »

Nobody in the CIE retires on less than €150,000 per year pension didn't you know.

That would make nearly everyone in the company seek early retirement

Almaviva · 09-02-2013 10:21PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Why would i credit someone for defending a government who are carrying out the exact same policies as the one he has just called out for causing that mess?

Because all competent governments would take as near as damn it the same actions if they were in power. They are faced with the same set of problems and will choose to take the same best option.

Outside amateurs or opposition politicians, who dont have to take those actions, however painful, can indulge themselves in complaining about its consequences. But would take the same decisions if they had to.
Changing the politician will have no effect in the greater scheme - thats just entertainment for the media and those who like to dream that if only someone else were in office everything would be better.

Annasopra · 09-02-2013 10:26PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Because protesting won't magically transport us back in time before idiot voters, FF and the bankers fúcked us over. I was just a kid basically when people were voting for FF first time around and even I knew better.

So don't act like you're the only one to be fúcked over. I have too and if I thought protesting today would bring along a magic fairy to vanish out debt believe me I would.

We have to pay the consequences for how ridiculous our country has been.

You're angry at everybody in this thread who didn't go out to protest today. I'm not angry at anybody who decides to protest. That's the difference between me and all the pro-protesters on this thread. I couldn't give two shíts if you had a bit of a march and a sing-a-long today. If you think that's going to do some good, more power to ya. I personally don't agree with the march and don't think it will do any good - personally I think there are productive things you could be doing. But c'est la vie.

You're awfully bothered about the march and peoples reasons for marching though. You say you're not but the dismissive language and the lazy stereotyping tells another story

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 10:27PM

Almaviva wrote: »

Because all competent governments would take as near as damn it the same actions if they were in power. They are faced with the same set of problems and will choose to take the same best option.

Outside amateurs or opposition politicians, who dont have to take those actions, however painful, can indulge themselves in complaining about its consequences. But would take the same decisions if they had to.
Changing the politician will have no effect in the greater scheme - thats just entertainment for the media and those who like to dream that if only someone else were in office everything would be better.

You have been so sterilised and brainwashed. You just have an inability to think differently to what you are being told. You are a follower not a leader. I think we should have a dictatorship here. There would never be a rebellion. Living in fear, you dont realise it but thats what you are doing.

road_high · 09-02-2013 10:33PM

samsemtex wrote: »

You have been so sterilised and brainwashed. You just have an inability to think differently to what you are being told. You are a follower not a leader. I think we should have a dictatorship here. There would never be a rebellion. Living in fear, you dont realise it but thats what you are doing.

Rebellion of what excatly? Still amongst the highest welfare rates and PS pay rates in the developed world.
I could understand all the young people that were forced to emigrate being angry and protesting. But against the Unions that maintained the status quo (i.e. their pay) to the detriment of the young.

Annasopra · 09-02-2013 10:35PM

road_high wrote: »

Still amongst the highest welfare rates and PS pay rates in the developed world.

Can you give me some links to back that up?

Hilly Bill · 09-02-2013 10:38PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Can you give me some links to back that up?

A link to the amount of immigrants into the country would back that up.

G Power · 09-02-2013 10:41PM

samsemtex wrote: »

You have been so sterilised and brainwashed. You just have an inability to think differently to what you are being told. You are a follower not a leader. I think we should have a dictatorship here. There would never be a rebellion. Living in fear, you dont realise it but thats what you are doing.

we are in a dictatorship sure!! we eat cheese while they live it up and haven't really a care in the world!!

jaffacakesyum · 09-02-2013 10:44PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Oh so FF ****ed us over did they? Well then surely you are all in support of a government that is far superior and does things right yeah? Fine Gael are following FFs policies but they just dont have the calibre of politician to do it as effectively as FF did. Its about time you realised we replaced one crooked government which didnt care about the people with another only this one is even less effective. But good man sure, blindly follow them anyway just because "well at least they arent FF".

Fine. If you're going to be so childish about everything, I'm out.

I have never supported FF in my life and never will.
I never supported Fine Gael.

But sure you make all the assumptions you like in the world about anyone who disagrees with you

Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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