Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

Am Chile · 09-02-2013 07:53PM

Id put it at slightly over 2.000 attended the waterford march, (poorly attended I admit that ) I noticed the majority of banners there were public sector union banners (Impact ) (CPSU) (Teachers Union ) I marched in behind the CAHWT/Unite union banners main reason I attended, when we got to the stage we heard speeches from a small few speakers, one female speaker spoke out against the nurse graduate scheme (some people would agree with her ) next she spoke out against any further cuts to public sector pay-Jimmy Kelly from Unite trade union came on next to speak, he was the only speakers to openly state his opposition to the property tax/ water charges and the so called ECB deal, last speaker was a man in a wheelchair speaking out against disability and carers respite grant cuts, main people were there for many different reasons some where there to protest against the property tax, others were there to protest against carers respite grants, But Id admit on record majority were there in protest to any further cuts to public sector pay.

lockon... · 09-02-2013 07:58PM

Official figures are in.

Over 60,000 took part in the Dublin protest, while at least 15,000 turned out in Cork, 13,000 in Waterford, 10,000 in Limerick, 7,000 in Sligo and 5,000 I Galway.

http://www.ictu.ie/press/2013/02/09/over-110000-people-join-bank-debt-protests-nationwide

LOL

hmmm · 09-02-2013 08:00PM

Unless these people found a massive pot of money hidden along the route, this whole thing was a waste of time. It's like people who have reached their credit card limit complaining about the banks "forcing austerity on them".

G Power · 09-02-2013 08:00PM

Almaviva wrote: »

Or that the nation is as good as completely united in recognising the necessity of the changes the government is having to make and supports them despite the pain ?

CHRIST!! do we have to wait until there's 4,500,000 who have less than €50 at the end of every month before we collectively hit the streets. the 1,600,000+ number who are currently in this bracket is rising every week and could well be 2 million by the end of the year.

lockon... · 09-02-2013 08:01PM

woodoo wrote: »

How would you know

Is there a list of the speakers at the Dublin march. I'd wager they were all public sector unions.

Debt for public jobs.

G Power · 09-02-2013 08:01PM

lockon... wrote: »

Official figures are in.

LOL

i don't know what you're laughing at cos this is beyond serious

ninebeanrows · 09-02-2013 08:03PM

It's a real shame it wasn't raining today.....

Almaviva · 09-02-2013 08:05PM

G Power wrote: »

CHRIST!! do we have to wait until there's 4,500,000 who have less than €50 at the end of every month before we collectively hit the streets. the 1,600,000+ number who are currently in this bracket is rising every week and could well be 2 million by the end of the year.

If thats all the money we have, then thats all the money we have.
Taking to the streets wont generate any.
It could even harm the recovery, fomenting discontent, political uncertainty, and politicians bowing to the selfish expediency of giving the people what they want even if it isnt in their best interest in order to be re-elected. And derailing what, unpleasant as it may be, may be the best route out of this mess. Then we would be worse off.

hmmm · 09-02-2013 08:05PM

G Power wrote: »

CHRIST!! do we have to wait until there's 4,500,000 who have less than €50 at the end of every month before we collectively hit the streets. the 1,600,000+ number who are currently in this bracket is rising every week and could well be 2 million by the end of the year.

If you believe that 1.6m people have less than 50 quid in their pocket figure you're very gullible.

dxhound2005 · 09-02-2013 08:07PM

G Power wrote: »

man 1,600,000+ people and rising have less than €50 left at the end of the month after paying their bills!! that's about 1 in 3 people but where were they today?? i'll tell ya where, they were every else but where it mattered to ever have a chance at changing things. all today did is give the crazies fuel to just carry on as normal.

That is based on a survey of a thousand people. And it accepts their answers as being truthful and then translates that to being the position of 1.6 million adults. Maybe it is right. But another survey by the same organisation suggests a very different picture. Last November the survey translated it's results into the analysis that each adult was going to spend €527 on average on Christmas presents etc. And that 83% of them were funding that from wages and/or savings. Can you make sense of the figures, I certainly can't? Plus the fact that one million households are paying for TV when there is no need. How could that happen if 1.6 million adults have only €50 left each month for discretionary/emergency spending?

http://www.creditunion.ie/communications/pressreleases/2012/title,7037,en.php

Another survey puts the Christmas spending at over €900 per adult in Ireland making us the most generous in Europe. So the €50 a month left looks even more dodgy on that basis.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/christmas-spending-665872-Nov2012/

road_high · 09-02-2013 08:07PM

Weathercheck wrote: »

It's a real shame it wasn't raining today.....

Today was a lovely. Ideal for marching. Or so you would think....

One loon on the News saying her "wages are going down weekly"...jasus :rolleyes:

road_high · 09-02-2013 08:08PM

lockon... wrote: »

Is there a list of the speakers at the Dublin march. I'd wager they were all public sector unions.

Debt for public jobs.

That's what it's all about. Protecting the PS at all costs.

Am Chile · 09-02-2013 08:08PM

I looked at rte six news, David Begg speaking on stage we won,t be good boys of Europe any more (along those lines he spoke ), well its bit late in the day now, where the fcuk was David Begg the last few years, they raised the retirement age here to 68 not a peep from Siptu, in France they raised to the retirement age to 62 the French trade unions kicked up over it and got the retirement age lowed back to 60. Id understand peoples reluctance to listen to speeches by a union leader earning over

€100.000 salary complaining against Austerity when he himself isn,t feeling the effects of it.

rolliepoley · 09-02-2013 08:10PM

G Power wrote: »

yes it was because the majority of the 4,500,000+ in the country right now couldn't be flipping arsed in joining in and that makes the few thousand that showed up today a complete laughing stock until we get real support from everyone else.

currently there's 1,600,000 people left with less than €50 at the end of the month so where were half of them today??????????????????

if even 1 out of every 10 people cared enough to march today we would have had enough to really shake the government and the ecb and imf up a little but now they've seen the extent of the people willing to protest it's given them the excuse to just carry on doing what they're doing.

Most people did'nt march today because they knew it was a complete waste of time that wouuld achieve nothing, if the people new there would be an outcome they would of happyily got off their arses to march, but why should they when the unions had'nt got them in their thought but only the thoughts of themselfs and all their public sector buddies,
give the people some action instead of shouts and crys and you will see alot more at these marches.

Annasopra · 09-02-2013 08:11PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I think it boils down to this; two types of people:

The people who don't support the governments actions in the past that have got us into this mess, but don't stand around moaning and whinging. They prefer to get up in the morning, work their hardest and go home in the evening and try to work through this mess.

The people who are outraged at what has happened (understandably) but decide to spend their efforts rebelling instead of working towards a solution or getting on with their lives.

Ultimately you land in one of these categories. I don't fall into the latter myself, but I don't think I'm superior to them either. I think this is the difference here. People who fall into the latter group are talking to us like we're children just because we don't agree with spending our afternoon p1ssing and moaning. I have work to do*

*bit of irony there as I'm procrastinating on boards.ie at the moment

Saying people today were just pissing and moaning sounds like you do in fact see yourself as superior

Annasopra · 09-02-2013 08:16PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Nope, not laziness. I don't like to waste my time p1ssing and moaning about something that is not going to change.

I prefer to get on with my life.

People who spend their efforts looking for work or looking for business opportunities or services that are missing or volunteering with charities or educating themselves or setting a new goal or task for themselves are spending their time much more wisely than marching on the streets yelling meaningless slogans "JOBS NOT DEBT JOBS NOT DEBT" Oh, gee never thought about that :rolleyes:

Yeah

hang on a second - I was protesting today. You're making big and silly assumptions there. I've also spent a lot of time looking for work, taking up volunteering opportunities, educating myself, setting myself goals and tasks. It's patronising and lazy stereotyping to paint the protesters as lazy good for nothings with no initiative

starlings · 09-02-2013 08:17PM

G Power wrote: »

CHRIST!! do we have to wait until there's 4,500,000 who have less than €50 at the end of every month before we collectively hit the streets. the 1,600,000+ number who are currently in this bracket is rising every week and could well be 2 million by the end of the year.

it sounds almost as if you want that to happen so you'll get more recruits for your protest-army...

ballygowan1 · 09-02-2013 08:18PM

The fact that this was organized by Siptu put everyone off. People know exactly what Unions have done to the country.

Almaviva · 09-02-2013 08:34PM

ballygowan1 wrote: »

The fact that this was organized by Siptu put everyone off. People know exactly what Unions have done to the country.

And that the protest is only part of their negotiating strategy for Croke Park 2 to protect the interests of a cosseted public service - unemployed, or the rest of society be damned.

jaffacakesyum · 09-02-2013 08:35PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Yeah

hang on a second - I was protesting today. You're making big and silly assumptions there. I've also spent a lot of time looking for work, taking up volunteering opportunities, educating myself, setting myself goals and tasks. It's patronising and lazy stereotyping to paint the protesters as lazy good for nothings with no initiative

I didn't call anyone lazy, in fact I've been the one called lazy by the people on this thread who support the march. Bit ironic then, given your accussation.

I don't think the protesters are lazy good for nothings - I think they're wasting their day when they could be doing something more productive. For example today, I re-did my CV and Cover Letter instead of p1ssing and moaning on the streets of Dublin.

That's not to say that people who protested today, like yourself, haven't furthered themselves, looked for jobs, further education etc.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest though if a lot of those that went protesting were the type to jump at the opportunity to blame their problems on everybody else instead of trying to do something with their lives. And before people jump on me, I'm saying that there are a lot of people like that regardless of whether they are pro or anti-marching. There are a lot of lazy people out there who complain about everything. It's a fact of life.

road_high · 09-02-2013 08:43PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I didn't call anyone lazy, in fact I've been the one called lazy by the people on this thread who support the march. Bit ironic then, given your accussation.

I don't think the protesters are lazy good for nothings - I think they're wasting their day when they could be doing something more productive. For example today, I re-did my CV and Cover Letter instead of p1ssing and moaning on the streets of Dublin.

That's not to say that people who protested today, like yourself, haven't furthered themselves, looked for jobs, further education etc.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest though if a lot of those that went protesting were the type to jump at the opportunity to blame their problems on everybody else instead of trying to do something with their lives. And before people jump on me, I'm saying that there are a lot of people like that regardless of whether they are pro or anti-marching. There are a lot of lazy people out there who complain about everything. It's a fact of life.

It's all "it's the Govts fault" rather than people getting off their asses and doing things themselves, which is the valid point of your post. Personal responsibility is gone out the window.

Actually correction, this portest is all about the PS looking after their own asses, everyone else be damned.

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:04PM

ballygowan1 wrote: »

The fact that this was organized by Siptu put everyone off. People know exactly what Unions have done to the country.

no, people used it as their excuse as to why they're not going to hit the streets with anyone unless everything is completely setup for them and them alone. i'd march with anyone if i thought it would lead to a day when we put fear into those who've orchestrated this whole boom-crash-recession. these crazies are living it up and pi$$ing themselves laughing at us splitting hairs and not doing anything to stop their agendas.

my friend · 09-02-2013 09:05PM

Major FAIL today for the Irish Congress of Trade Unions

Dublin - Gardai state 25,000 turned out.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0209/breaking2.html

gardaí put the attendance at 25,000

ICTU Membership 600,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Congress_of_Trade_Unions

There are currently 55 trade unions with membership of Congress, representing about 600,000 members in the Republic of Ireland

Of that 25,000 an amount would have been the usual, anti this tax, anti that tax...

therefore the Unions failed to rally even 5% of their membership

thats a FAIL

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:07PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I don't think the protesters are lazy good for nothings - I think they're wasting their day when they could be doing something more productive. For example today, I re-did my CV and Cover Letter instead of p1ssing and moaning on the streets of Dublin.

why didn't you do it yesterday and hit the streets today??

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:11PM

Almaviva wrote: »

If thats all the money we have, then thats all the money we have.
Taking to the streets wont generate any.
It could even harm the recovery, fomenting discontent, political uncertainty, and politicians bowing to the selfish expediency of giving the people what they want even if it isnt in their best interest in order to be re-elected. And derailing what, unpleasant as it may be, may be the best route out of this mess. Then we would be worse off.

recovery!! sure all the b4stards that control the economy want to do is keep the whole system going the same as it always did.

hatrickpatrick · 09-02-2013 09:15PM

hmmm wrote: »

Unless these people found a massive pot of money hidden along the route, this whole thing was a waste of time. It's like people who have reached their credit card limit complaining about the banks "forcing austerity on them".

Why? This was about banking debt. No extra money is required from anywhere to tell bailed out bank execs to go f*ck themselves when they ask for a six figure salary...

G Power · 09-02-2013 09:15PM

hmmm wrote: »

If you believe that 1.6m people have less than 50 quid in their pocket figure you're very gullible.

http://www.creditunion.ie/communications/pressreleases/2013/

for you to say there isn't says a lot about how much respect you have for the Irish people crumbling under this austerity which is all because of numbers on computer screens washing round and round the planets banking system!!

Almaviva · 09-02-2013 09:16PM

G Power wrote: »

recovery!! sure all the b4stards that control the economy want to do is keep the whole system going the same as it always did.

Not at all. The system going as it always did is what drove us bust. The change has been made to drag us back out of that nose dive. And the drastic change of direction is not a pleasant experience. Change never is. But change is what is happening.

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 09:17PM

Almaviva wrote: »

At home, thankful that they a fortunate to have paid their bills and still have money left at the end of the month ?

You are one of the most deluded, uninformed and easily led persons i have ever heard.

Why didnt you answer my question about why its fair that the average Irish person has lost €9000 (not including the €18billion taken from the pension reserve fund because of this European Banking crisis, while the average European has lost €192. You do realise we took on Anglo's debt because the ECB asked us to so we wouldnt spread contagion to the rest of the EU? We bailed out the EU, we stopped the banks all around Europe collapsing. We bought them time and took on private debt.

We werent the only ones with banks on the brink of collapse, we were the first. We saved the European banking system and are now being very heavily punished for it.

Do you understand any of that? This is a genuine question and im not asking for your other reasons why you didnt go, although you only seem to talk for everybody else anyway.

Can you please answer the questions above?

Hilly Bill · 09-02-2013 09:20PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Hope all them people got the bus home. Poor CIE need the extra revenue to pay massive pensions to themselves

Massive pensions? where did you get that from? or is it just assumption?

Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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