sulky drivers on bail.

Pottler wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about sullen Taxi-drivers with dodgy pasts.

Are you referring to "Where to?"

love this classic,"yis have yer golf, we have our sulky".

yea but mate we don't play golf in the middle of the road.

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Mine is extensive, including detailed research on both those convicted and sentencing patterns for my dissertation. You on the other hand spout off populist cliches which the evidence does not support.

Excellent set of credentials Wiley.

The Court Proceedings do make for engrossing reading.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0208/breaking45.html

74 previous between the 6 of them....not too bad I suppose,but the award for the best dissertation of the trial has to go to the defending solicitors....

Three gardaí attended at the scene with one patrol car managing to pull in one of the sulky racers. Another drove ahead with its lights flashing and siren sounding to warn oncoming motorists after the racers and their entourage disregarded attempts to get them to stop.

Sgt O’Sullivan agreed that all defendants were co-operative with gardaí after the race ended when it was put to him by defence solicitors, Donal Daly and Diarmuid Kelleher. The solicitors said their clients had saved the State the cost and time of a trial by pleading guilty.


Judge Kelleher said he accepted that and he was giving all accused credit for their pleas by imposing five month jail terms rather than the maximum permitted in the District Court of six months. However, it remained a serious matter and the sentences were designed to act as a deterrent.

I do wonder though,just how much time and expense this merry little group had already cost the State in racking up the previous 74 convictions ?

Damn right it was a serious matter,or at least it might have been if that Artic's driver had been forced to swerve into any other traffic.

Had I been the presiding Judge,I would have considered giving Mssrs Daly & Kelleher a bit of custodial for crimes against reality and common sense.

As a matter of interest do any of the Legal Illuminati posting here know if Free Legal Aid Scheme was being availed of in this case ?

charlemont wrote: »

He is spot on, Obviously not about every person that ends up in the courts but a sizeable amount. I have years of experience there too..:D

No I can't agree with it either, it is to way too much of a generalisation. So much so that it really looses any credibility because it goes too far.

There are a lot of people on here with experiece of criminality on many different levels.

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

a 6 year driving ban

Do ye even need a f**king drivers license to sulky about?

Turner wrote: »

I was talking about the people I deal with regularly....

The ones with 50-300+ previous convictions.

Sometimes with one single prosecution for a road traffic matters taking up to 15 court appearances between remand dates, bench warrants, high court appearances, bench warrants again, him being in hospital, in fear of his life so cannot attend, in rehab, appeal, section 99 re entries etc etc.

I certainly encounter a enough of those lads myself. However, I still hold my point that it is too generalised an opinion to be of any objective vaule.

I not being funny I see what you are saying in the last paragraph, but could you clarify it, as I'm unsure as to the point you are making with that information.

juan.kerr wrote: »

Were these lads from the Travelling community?

Well two are listed as being from a halting site. According to Pavee Point we need a 'solution'. No, not prosecuting it, but regulating it. I'd love to know how he proposes to fund that one. Have Pavee Point got some cash tucked away to build a few tracks or does the taxpayer have to shell out for this wonderfully cultural practice?