sulky drivers on bail.

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The sulky drivers from cork got 5months un jail and a 6 year driving ban.
They are released in bail pending appeal.

What can they appeal? A technicality...Your honour it was a cow not a horse.;)

Cungi

I'd be sulking too if i had to go to jail. Even more sulking after bein bumraped in there.

ITS_A_BADGER

5 months un jail?

ArtyM

what?

Death and Taxes

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

The sulky drivers from cork got 5months un jail and a 6 year driving ban.
They are released in bail pending appeal.

What can they appeal? A technicality...Your honour it was a cow not a horse.;)

they are entitled to appeal the severity of sentence, same as anyone else is, cant see the appeal succeeding.

ResearchWill

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

The sulky drivers from cork got 5months un jail and a 6 year driving ban.
They are released in bail pending appeal.

What can they appeal? A technicality...Your honour it was a cow not a horse.;)

They can appeal severity of the sentence, or if there is some issue with the summons or evidence they can appeal both conviction and sentence. I would have been surprised if they had not appealed.

spankysue

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

They are released in bail pending appeal.

Bails of what?? Hay?

ResearchWill

WileyCoyote wrote: »

they are entitled to appeal the severity of sentence, same as anyone else is, cant see the appeal succeeding.

Depending on previous, I would be surprised if the jail time was not reduced.

WoollyRedHat

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

The sulky drivers from cork got 5months un jail and a 6 year driving ban.
They are released in bail pending appeal.

What can they appeal? A technicality...Your honour it was a cow not a horse.;)

You mean all of the sulky drivers from Cork?

allthedoyles

looking at the six-one news , they just did'nt seem to care .

One said '' ye play golf , we go sulky racing ''

ResearchWill

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0208/breaking45.html

Turner

Every good criminal appeals jail time.

It gives them a few months extra to...

1. build up a few new charges and plead guilty to them all while eventually in custody
2. They can do what they want for the next few months as they know they will eventually do time and run everything together
3. get their missus pregnant and use this in the appeals court
4. gets their solicitor more free legal aid and give them the chance to use a barrister in the circuit court

Criminals know the legal system better than most.....

*I am not referring the sulky racers as the above

ITS_A_BADGER

They were filming "2 fast 2 furious boss"

Sh1tbag OToole

Didn't know sulking behind the wheel was a crime

orestes

He noted all six accused were "no strangers to the courts" after hearing that, between them, they had 74 previous convictions, mainly for road traffic matters

Well, stick with what you know I guess.

Death and Taxes

Turner wrote: »

Every good criminal appeals jail time.

It gives them a few months extra to...

1. build up a few new charges and plead guilty to them all while eventually in custody
2. They can do what they want for the next few months as they know they will eventually do time and run everything together
3. get their missus pregnant and use this in the appeals court
4. gets their solicitor more free legal aid and give them the chance to use a barrister in the circuit court

Criminals know the legal system better than most.....

*I am not referring the sulky racers as the above

And the award for the most misinformed and petulant post goes to...:rolleyes:

Turner

WileyCoyote wrote: »

And the award for the most misinformed and petulant post goes to...:rolleyes:

And your experience of dealing with all of Ireland's different types of criminals, solicitors and barristers in the District or Circuit courts is?

Would you like to hear mine?

emo72

WileyCoyote wrote: »

And the award for the most misinformed and petulant post goes to...:rolleyes:

dont see a lot wrong with what he is saying. thats how it is.

Death and Taxes

Turner wrote: »

And your experience of dealing with all of Ireland's different types of criminals, solicitors and barristers in the District or Circuit courts is?

Would you like to hear mine?

Mine is extensive, including detailed research on both those convicted and sentencing patterns for my dissertation. You on the other hand spout off populist cliches which the evidence does not support.

Turner

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Mine is extensive, including detailed research on both those convicted and sentencing patterns for my dissertation.

Sorry, after spouting the above, I rest my case.

"Strike Out"

ResearchWill

Turner wrote: »

Every good criminal appeals jail time.

It gives them a few months extra to...

1. build up a few new charges and plead guilty to them all while eventually in custody
2. They can do what they want for the next few months as they know they will eventually do time and run everything together
3. get their missus pregnant and use this in the appeals court
4. gets their solicitor more free legal aid and give them the chance to use a barrister in the circuit court

Criminals know the legal system better than most.....

*I am not referring the sulky racers as the above

1. Fact one of the main questions a judge asks on Appeal, has the person come to attention, if answer is yes then not much hope of getting a reduction.
2 no they can not any offences committed on bail must be served consecutively.
3 As most appeal are heard in less than 9 months bit risky.
3 the extra fee for an appeal is €150 if I remember correctly if a barrister involved the best he can hope for is half of the solicitors fee as there is usually no legal aid for a barrister in a appeal from the DC.

The criminals who know the legal system, well they never end up in front of it.

My experience a barrister who practices in criminal, the reason I'm not sure of the fee in appeals, well I never got paid for 1 simples.

mike65

A saw the topic line and though this was about 12 year old motorists getting arrested.

Death and Taxes

Turner wrote: »

Sorry, after spouting the above, I rest my case.

"Strike Out"

You have no case to rest, your post shows a huge ignorance of both the actual reality of sentencing and more worryingly a total lack of understanding of the criminal appeals procedure.

Turner

WileyCoyote wrote: »

You have no case to rest, your post shows a huge ignorance of both the actual reality of sentencing and more worryingly a total lack of understanding of the criminal appeals procedure.

My post is from over ten years experience of convictions, sentencing, bail hearings, Section 99 re-entrys and appeals in front of over probably 25 district circuit and high court Judges combined around the country.

johnayo

They will probably appeal to the judge not to send their horses to the burger factory

HondaSami

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Mine is extensive, including detailed research on both those convicted and sentencing patterns for my dissertation. You on the other hand spout off populist cliches which the evidence does not support.

No offence intended but reading something and dealing with real life is a bit different.

Death and Taxes

Turner wrote: »

My post is from over ten years experience of convictions, sentencing, bail hearings, Section 99 re-entrys and appeals in front of over probably 25 district circuit and high court Judges combined around the country.

My dear chap, you cannot have a criminal appeal in front of a district court judge, district court appeals are held in front of a circut court judge, appeals from the circut and central criminal courts are heard by a three judge panel in the court of criminal appeal, not the high court.
Go bluff elsewhere.

Turner

I was giving my experience of the criminal justice system... Not of the appeals court.

Lets let the thread move on...

EuskalHerria

Turner wrote: »

Lets let the thread move on...

Hold your horses! (See what I did there)

This is going to descend into the average jam v butter on toast type thread, keep this little argument going.

Wiley said you wouldn't know a court if you were standing on one with a tennis racket in your hand, are you going to take that?

mikemac1

HondaSami wrote: »

No offence intended but reading something and dealing with real life is a bit different.

Arts students know everything and know nothing

Lenin Skynard

Bla-bla sentenced to bla-bla for bla-bla

rabble rabble

meh

charlemont

WileyCoyote wrote: »

You have no case to rest, your post shows a huge ignorance of both the actual reality of sentencing and more worryingly a total lack of understanding of the criminal appeals procedure.

He is spot on, Obviously not about every person that ends up in the courts but a sizeable amount. I have years of experience there too..:D



I'm sure there's a new challenger to Rock on Boss, So hopefully we will see another fine race soon. :rolleyes:

Pottler

I thought this was going to be about sullen Taxi-drivers with dodgy pasts.

crockholm

Pottler wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about sullen Taxi-drivers with dodgy pasts.

Are you referring to "Where to?"

Sh1tbag OToole

Pottler wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about sullen Taxi-drivers with dodgy pasts.

Like that Where To fella?

charlemont

Check out the wheels Sham..http://www.flickr.com/photos/jameshoran/2254585549/

Pottler

crockholm wrote: »

Are you referring to "Where to?"

Nuoh, I said dodgy past. Jasus, I knew Limerick was rough, but the James lad openly admits to shooting people...

emo72

love this classic,"yis have yer golf, we have our sulky".

yea but mate we don't play golf in the middle of the road.

oldyouth

emo72 wrote: »

love this classic,"yis have yer golf, we have our sulky".

yea but mate we don't play golf in the middle of the road.

Unfortunately, I have done so at the 1st in St. Helens, Rosslare .

AlekSmart

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Mine is extensive, including detailed research on both those convicted and sentencing patterns for my dissertation. You on the other hand spout off populist cliches which the evidence does not support.

Excellent set of credentials Wiley.

The Court Proceedings do make for engrossing reading.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0208/breaking45.html

74 previous between the 6 of them....not too bad I suppose,but the award for the best dissertation of the trial has to go to the defending solicitors....

Three gardaí attended at the scene with one patrol car managing to pull in one of the sulky racers. Another drove ahead with its lights flashing and siren sounding to warn oncoming motorists after the racers and their entourage disregarded attempts to get them to stop.

Sgt O’Sullivan agreed that all defendants were co-operative with gardaí after the race ended when it was put to him by defence solicitors, Donal Daly and Diarmuid Kelleher. The solicitors said their clients had saved the State the cost and time of a trial by pleading guilty.


Judge Kelleher said he accepted that and he was giving all accused credit for their pleas by imposing five month jail terms rather than the maximum permitted in the District Court of six months. However, it remained a serious matter and the sentences were designed to act as a deterrent.

I do wonder though,just how much time and expense this merry little group had already cost the State in racking up the previous 74 convictions ?

Damn right it was a serious matter,or at least it might have been if that Artic's driver had been forced to swerve into any other traffic.

Had I been the presiding Judge,I would have considered giving Mssrs Daly & Kelleher a bit of custodial for crimes against reality and common sense.

As a matter of interest do any of the Legal Illuminati posting here know if Free Legal Aid Scheme was being availed of in this case ?

crockholm

I for one, support these brave ervironmentalists in their efforts to bring to light our over dependence on petroleum from unstable governments with poor human-rights records.

remember, a horse isn't just for christmas or burgers, it's also for steering into oncoming traffic

Odysseus

charlemont wrote: »

He is spot on, Obviously not about every person that ends up in the courts but a sizeable amount. I have years of experience there too..:D

No I can't agree with it either, it is to way too much of a generalisation. So much so that it really looses any credibility because it goes too far.

There are a lot of people on here with experiece of criminality on many different levels.

Zebra3

Odysseus wrote: »

There are a lot of people on here with experiece of criminality on many different levels.

Yep, you can't keep FF's supporters down.

Boombastic

They are entitled to appeal and will win it because the garda wasn't wearing their hat. I have years of hat wearing experience.

TheLastMohican

If Brendan Kilkenny was judge, he would cheer them up

the_syco

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

a 6 year driving ban

Do ye even need a f**king drivers license to sulky about?

Turner

Odysseus wrote: »

No I can't agree with it either, it is to way too much of a generalisation. So much so that it really looses any credibility because it goes too far.

There are a lot of people on here with experiece of criminality on many different levels.

I was talking about the people I deal with regularly....

The ones with 50-300+ previous convictions.

Sometimes with one single prosecution for a road traffic matters taking up to 15 court appearances between remand dates, bench warrants, high court appearances, bench warrants again, him being in hospital, in fear of his life so cannot attend, in rehab, appeal, section 99 re entries etc etc.

Odysseus

Turner wrote: »

I was talking about the people I deal with regularly....

The ones with 50-300+ previous convictions.

Sometimes with one single prosecution for a road traffic matters taking up to 15 court appearances between remand dates, bench warrants, high court appearances, bench warrants again, him being in hospital, in fear of his life so cannot attend, in rehab, appeal, section 99 re entries etc etc.

I certainly encounter a enough of those lads myself. However, I still hold my point that it is too generalised an opinion to be of any objective vaule.

I not being funny I see what you are saying in the last paragraph, but could you clarify it, as I'm unsure as to the point you are making with that information.

Turner

Odysseus wrote: »

I not being funny I see what you are saying in the last paragraph, but could you clarify it, as I'm unsure as to the point you are making with that information.

I was talking about delay tactics by both the defendants and their legal representation.

Its amazing how many people take bench warrants when a certain (Strict) Judge is sitting that day.

juan.kerr

Were these lads from the Travelling community?

Grand Moff Tarkin

juan.kerr wrote: »

Were these lads from the Travelling community?

As one of the lads said on the news: "You play golf and we drive sulkys"


Also yes the gentlemen are all members of the travelling community.