Rant..experience at doctor this week!

Pottler · 08-02-2013 11:08PM

Couldn't read the clipped, wordy OP, couldn't follow the thread, too dull. Has he died of whatever ailed him yet? If so, R.I.P.O.P. if not, T.L.D.R.V.D.

kupus · 08-02-2013 11:51PM

I'll give you the gist potts

Irish doctors are money grubbing parasites that are sucking on the public and private finances teat and getting away with it for too long by treating their CUSTOMERS too quickly and too shabbily with sh1te service for what you pay.

Get em in slow get em out faster and get paid, great business model :rolleyes:

AudreyHepburn · 09-02-2013 12:04AM

Lets be fair here....there were two people in this.

Perhaps the GP was insensitive, although I see nothing to indicate this or it could simply that what the GP felt was wrong was not what the OP wanted to hear.

As a result the OP then refused to listen to the GP's quite reasonable suggestions and become emotional which anyone with an ounce of sense would probably put down to stress.

This is a two sided story imo.

kupus · 09-02-2013 12:23AM

so you are saying its ok for a doctor to do what they like instead of listening to you as a paying customer.

1st rule of business: the customer is ALWAYS RIGHT.

Czarcasm · 09-02-2013 12:42AM

kupus wrote: »

so you are saying its ok for a doctor to do what they like instead of listening to you as a paying customer.

1st rule of business: the customer is ALWAYS RIGHT.

Except that a doctors surgery is not a business, and you are not a customer. You are a patient, and an uninformed one at that. The doctor has seven years of medical studies up on you for a start, and then they will see more colds, flus, etc, on a daily basis than you ever will.

As for your assertion that the customer is always right- no they sure as hell aren't, especially an uninformed or misinformed customer (such as those who "know their rights!" and misinterpret the sale of goods and services acts), or in this particular instance- a person who self diagnoses and presents with symptoms of emotional distress.

AudreyHepburn · 09-02-2013 12:49AM

kupus wrote: »

so you are saying its ok for a doctor to do what they like instead of listening to you as a paying customer.

1st rule of business: the customer is ALWAYS RIGHT.

You must be joking.

The customer is most certainly NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.

In fact in many cases he/she is the wrong. Especially so in the cases of those who insist they are right.

The doctor wasn't doing what he liked, he was doing his job - listening to her symptoms, giving her suggestions/advise.

The OP was obviously unwell and in distress and either couldn't or wouldn't listen.

swingking · 09-02-2013 12:52AM

It's a known fact that you don't take tablets on an empty stomach.

No wonder you were getting pains.

ElvisChrist6 · 09-02-2013 01:02AM

You really do have to figure out which doctor in your surgery is trustworthy. When I was 6 or so, I was brought to the doctor with some sort of illness (coughing and stuff). He said pick up a cough bottle on your way home, he's grand. My mother decided this wasn't enough, brought me to the hospital and sure enough I had meningitis! :rolleyes: In Temple Street for a little while, but would have been rightly fecked if I hadn't been brought.

The same doctor a couple of years back diagnosed a woman with something rather small, this year she found out it was in fact cancer and it's now in a late stage. What a cunt, eh?

kupus · 09-02-2013 01:15AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Except that a doctors surgery is not a business, and you are not a customer. You are a patient, and an uninformed one at that. The doctor has seven years of medical studies up on you for a start, and then they will see more colds, flus, etc, on a daily basis than you ever will.

As for your assertion that the customer is always right- no they sure as hell aren't, especially an uninformed or misinformed customer (such as those who "know their rights!" and misinterpret the sale of goods and services acts), or in this particular instance- a person who self diagnoses and presents with symptoms of emotional distress.

so why are they being run exactly like a business? with the added benefit of having repeat customers.
You even get fined for not turning up:eek: However where is their accountability when they call you up at 4.49 PM in January and cancel the appointment that you had the very next morning. the very appointment you had being waiting for for a month. THe appointment that you had to book off from work in advance. and only for the fact you were at home to be able to receive the call a 200 mile journey in the middle of a freezing cold janurary morning would be more expense....only to be told did you not get our call yesterday.

Spare me the condescending BS please, It might work on others but im too long in the tooth for it.

As for your assertion that the customer is always right- no they sure as hell aren't,
that says all i need to know.

Do you think doctors are doctors for the good of their health.
get in get out get paid

Zen65 · 09-02-2013 01:41AM

homemadecider wrote: »

In fairness, your lengthy post and overreaction do suggest that the doctor was probably dead right to ask about your mental state.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

Firstly - You took Codeine for a cough? Reaching for codeine as the first treatment for anything is just plain ridiculous. Of course it upset your stomach, did you not read the directions?

Secondly - a doctor does not need to examine your chest to confirm you have a cold if you tell him you have congestion. You told him it was the stomach that was upsetting you and he possibly knew that taking the medicine was the most likely cause, but did not want to upset you further by pointing out that you had caused your own problem. If your lungs were congested to the point of having pneumonia he would have seen that from other symptoms you described.

Thirdly - the antibiotic was a placebo; antibiotics do not relieve colds or other viral infections. You were given it because you presented yourself a second time with anxiety over a common cold. It is patients like you who give doctors a reason to prescribe needless antibiotics and thus promote more serious infections to spread. If you had simply taken hot drinks and rest the infection would have cleared itself.

Fourthly - and I'll stop here, it seems to me that by asking about your mental health you became more upset. Why? Do you think that it is an insult to be asked about your mental health? You wanted him to examine your chest but not your head? Frankly it is people with your misguided view of mental health issues who give rise to the sort of stigma about mental health which makes it so difficult for people who do have mental health problems.

Perhaps the doctor lacked the warmth you wanted, but doctors are not there for your comfort; they are trained to diagnose and deal with health issues and it seems to me the first doctor did exactly that - even if he was perhaps less than excellent in his bedside manner. He was spot on to have asked about your mental state, as your post certainly has all the hallmarks of a person suffering from stress. The second doctor gave you a needless antibiotic to calm you, which is poor form medically, but you praise her for doing so?

Perhaps before criticising him for being a bad doctor you should take a look a how good a patient you are!

Be at peace,

Z

Lucas Castroman · 09-02-2013 01:43AM

kupus wrote: »

so why are they being run exactly like a business? with the added benefit of having repeat customers.
You even get fined for not turning up:eek: However where is their accountability when they call you up at 4.49 PM in January and cancel the appointment that you had the very next morning. the very appointment you had being waiting for for a month. THe appointment that you had to book off from work in advance. and only for the fact you were at home to be able to receive the call a 200 mile journey in the middle of a freezing cold janurary morning would be more expense....only to be told did you not get our call yesterday.

Spare me the condescending BS please, It might work on others but im too long in the tooth for it.

As for your assertion that the customer is always right- no they sure as hell aren't,
that says all i need to know.

Do you think doctors are doctors for the good of their health.
get in get out get paid

Clearly you have some deep-seated grudge against the medical profession. We can only speculate as to the cause of this but often jealously is at the root because of the mediocre life you're leading.
Just like any other service you should pay for it - healthcare is no different.
Try being less clumsy - you wont break as many bones and wont have to deal with doctors you despise

Zen65 · 09-02-2013 01:45AM

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

When I was 6 or so, I was brought to the doctor with some sort of illness (coughing and stuff). He said pick up a cough bottle on your way home, he's grand. My mother decided this wasn't enough, brought me to the hospital and sure enough I had meningitis! :rolleyes: In Temple Street for a little while, but would have been rightly fecked if I hadn't been brought.

A good mother is every bit as important to your health as a good doctor; they have far better knowledge about your norms and so they can spot abnormality in your condition better than most doctors can!

Z

Kat1170 · 09-02-2013 01:54AM

eok56 wrote: »

I didn't go into how the other doctor had treated me, as I would not have been able to keep my emotions in tact and anyway he owns the practice! She prescribed me antibiotics which I am sure are having an effect already and exputex for my chest.

Just needed to get that rant off my chest!! Thank god I don't suffer from stress/depression etc but I know one thing for sure that if I went into this surgery on Tuesday with stress or depression I would have come out a whole lot worse!

Glad you are feeling better but it generally takes 2-3 days for antibiotics to start to work. Most doctors these days are far too quick to prescribe them. You body can build up immunity to them and when you really need them they won't work.

Czarcasm · 09-02-2013 02:06AM

kupus wrote: »

so why are they being run exactly like a business? with the added benefit of having repeat customers.
You even get fined for not turning up:eek: However where is their accountability when they call you up at 4.49 PM in January and cancel the appointment that you had the very next morning. the very appointment you had being waiting for for a month. THe appointment that you had to book off from work in advance. and only for the fact you were at home to be able to receive the call a 200 mile journey in the middle of a freezing cold janurary morning would be more expense....only to be told did you not get our call yesterday.

Spare me the condescending BS please, It might work on others but im too long in the tooth for it.

As for your assertion that the customer is always right- no they sure as hell aren't,
that says all i need to know.

Do you think doctors are doctors for the good of their health.
get in get out get paid

Condescending BS my àrse! You think your individual experience could be applied to doctors across the board? No it can't.

No I don't think doctors are in it for the good of their health, they are in it for the good of other people's health. They have to deal with people every day who think they are at deaths door with a case of the sniffles.

Do doctors always get it right? No, they sure as hell don't, but they get it right far more often than your average joe soap who self diagnoses off the internet or uses their "instinct". This is based on their years of study and experience, not just some idiot diagnosis they pulled out of thin air!

Medicine is a specialist profession and you pay a premium for it, just as you would if you got in an architect to design a new layout for your house instead of your neighbour who knows feckall about planning, materials or construction. Do architects get it right every time? No, they don't.

Just on that whole cancelled appointment thing you mention- that clearly wasn't a GP visit for a 200 mile trip. It had to be for a consultant visit or operation. Just to relate my own anecdotal experience then if you want to make a pìssing contest out of it-

I was born with a click hip that wasn't detected by doctors at birth. They fcuked up. Six months in a plaster would've been problem solved, instead of 18 years limping in chronic pain. My GP couldn't figure out what the issue was and he specialised in orthapaedics. He had never experienced a case like it so he didn't know any better. So I was sent to a specialist orthapaedic consultant. It took him five minutes to diagnose the problem.

I spent another four years waiting for an operation to fix the problem. In that time as I later discovered, the problem was already getting worse as arthritis had already set in. I was too young at 22 for a hip replacement but a consultant surgeon had just returned from America having learned a procedure called a ganz osteotomy. He concluded after examination that I would be a prime candidate for what was still an experimental medical procedure.

I was carved up and the steel pins were inserted and the operation was a great success. Without me putting my trust in the consultant surgeon I would've continued to limp in pain.

The consultant surgeon had hoped at the time that this would last me my lifetime, but what do you know? Turns out he was wrong, and 14 years later I started to get pains again so went to my GP who as it turns out was now familiar with a ganz osteotomy procedure having learned about it. Between him and the consultants in Beaumont they are not yet sure of the correct way to proceed, but they sure as hell have more experience than I do, and in a few days again I have to go visit a consultant who will make the final call as to whether to do a repair or a full replacement.

The reason they are reluctant to do a full replacement is because at 36 I am still very young for a full replacement procedure, but I have to trust that people who know a hell of a lot more than I do, with a hell of a lot more experience than I have, will hopefully be able to have me walking normally again by this time next year.

Get in, get out my àrse, if I was my GP you couldn't pay me enough to have to put up with my shìte, let alone the hundreds of other patients he has to put up with on a daily basis, not to mention half the ungrateful fcukers that think they know better than their doctor.

kupus · 09-02-2013 02:14AM

Lucas Castroman wrote: »

Clearly you have some deep-seated grudge against the IRISH medical profession. We can only speculate as to the cause of this but often jealously is at the root because of the mediocre life you're leading.
Just like any other service you should pay for it - healthcare is no different.
Try being less clumsy - you wont break as many bones and wont have to deal with doctors you despise

Fixed your post, hint: its the bit i added in bold.

5 countries lived in, not backpacked by the way or any of that bs.
5 countries healthcare systems I had to avail of. 3 of them extensively
4 countries, where the doctors actually listened to you and shock horror took the time to explain things with you correctly.
4 countries where golf was not brought up unless I mentioned it first.
4 countries where the soundest straight talking doctors were just on the ball every single time.

1 country where they cant wait to get rid of you out the door as fast as possible. even if you are covered by lala.

Wanna guess the country. No I better tell you. its IRELAND.
But you're right my experience and medicore life make it so obvious that my opinion counts for nothing.

Im just thankful I have other options other than Ireland when it comes to my health. Unfortunately my friends and family living there dont.

pampootie · 09-02-2013 02:16AM

The_Dazzler wrote: »

Having a chest infection means that you get hypersecretion of mucus in your lung tissue. If this was a serious chest infection or especially pneumonia. It would be measured on the CURB65 scale. If the patient was a 2 or higher on this scale, they potentially could be hypoxic which can lead to anxiety/stress. So get down off your horse horse especially when you don't know jack**** about chest infections. obligatory :rolleyes:

Yeah everyone.

Get down off your horse horses :pac:

Lucas Castroman · 09-02-2013 02:24AM

kupus wrote: »

Fixed your post, hint: its the bit i added in bold.

5 countries lived in, not backpacked by the way or any of that bs.
5 countries healthcare systems I had to avail of. 3 of them extensively
4 countries, where the doctors actually listened to you and shock horror took the time to explain things with you correctly.
4 countries where golf was not brought up unless I mentioned it first.
4 countries where the soundest straight talking doctors were just on the ball every single time.

1 country where they cant wait to get rid of you out the door as fast as possible. even if you are covered by lala.

Wanna guess the country. No I better tell you. its IRELAND.
But you're right my experience and medicore life make it so obvious that my opinion counts for nothing.

Im just thankful I have other options other than Ireland when it comes to my health. Unfortunately my friends and family living there dont.

In an average Busy Gp practice, a consultation has to last no longer 10 mins per patient. So yes, you're correct - it is get in and get out. If the likes of you are allowed to ramble on, the unfortunate G.P would never go home.
Also, i'd say there is nothing worse than a bitter know-it-all patient. If it's any comfort they cant stand the sight of you either.

kupus · 09-02-2013 02:30AM

must be a doctor love in here tonight

anyway as i said before you all have your opinions and I have mine which I stand by.

Now bed time.

Boombastic · 09-02-2013 02:38AM

Count yourself lucky op, at least you didn' t stand on an upturned plug

XxMCRxBabyxX · 09-02-2013 08:50AM

kupus wrote: »

must be a doctor love in here tonight

anyway as i said before you all have your opinions and I have mine which I stand by.

Now bed time.

Or maybe, just maybe, you have had one bad experience and are tarring a whole profession out of a grudge. Clearly enough of us have had good experiences with doctors in order to be able to defend them.

And none of my doctors have ever mentioned golf. I'm not even sure why you insist on bringing that up. It has no relevance to a doctor's ability.

Yes, you do have your opinion, but you also need to accept others'.

ash23 · 09-02-2013 09:38AM

If people aren't happy with the treatment a doctor provides would they not just go to a different doctor?

Must say my gp is amazing. I did have a couple of bad experiences with hospitals. Misdiagnosed a couple of times and fobbed off but simple solution was asking to be referred to a different consultant.

I don't think anyone should accept poor treatment but some people go back for more which I cant understand at all.

Grayson · 09-02-2013 10:20AM

Nearly 4 years ago i woke up incredibly hung over and in bits. so I went to the kitchen and grabbed a bottle of coke and some left over chinese. I reheated the chinese and went back to my bedroom where I wrapped myself up in a duvet and watch crap on my computer.

After a while i started getting a bit of a pain in my chest. Now, I have always had a dodgy stomach and have some prescription stuff I take occasionally for it. The pain can range from mild indigestion to a stabbing chest pain. And it can pretty much occur anywhere in my upper torso.

So I take my pill and some rennie. I burp and think I'll feel better soon. But I don't and it starts getting worse. Eventually I'm curled up on my bed in agony. The pain eventually receded a bit and I get up and go to my computer. I look up gp's that are open on a Sunday and call them. There's one in the next town so I head there.

I'm seen by an indian or pakistani doctor. He listens to my chest etc and gets my history. And says, yep it's your stomach. Here's a letter for A&E if you want, but if you go home you should be fine.

SO I go outside, have a smoke and think about it. My stomach is in bits. I'm actually wheezing I'm in so much pain. And I just feel utterly miserable and sh1t. So I decide to go to the hospital. the GP was useless, but maybe they can think of something that can help me.

So I buy more smokes and a few magazines to read in the waiting room. I get a taxi and go to the hospital. When I get there I explain my situation and hand over the GP letter. I'm at the back of the queue so I spend 6 hours waiting. Thankfully I had the smokes and the magazines. Although to be fair I did miss the first time they called my name because I was out smoking.

When I eventually get my name called, I see a doctor who listens to my chest and asks me to get an Xray to check something. It's 9:45pm at this point. He says that if I walk down to the x-ray dept I can bring the x-ray back to him directly. The shift changes at 10:00pm and if I get back to him before then I won't have to wait for another doctor.
So I leg it down to X-ray, get it and bring it back.

Doctor tells me that I have a complete right pneumothorax. Turns out that the intense pain I'd felt was my right lung collapsing to the size of a golf ball.

The GP hadn't heard that. And apparently it's something that is incredibly identifable when listening to someone chest, hense the reason the A&E doc made me get an X-Ray.

I was in hospital for two weeks and off work for an additional 4. I had loads of follow ups with my GP who is brillant. I've had loads of contact with doctors since I was a child. That's the only one who ever let me down.

TLDR: 99.999% of doctors are great. But there's going to be the odd cnut. And I managed to smoke half a packet of cigarettes with only one working lung.

Karona · 09-02-2013 03:55PM

I find with most doctors nowadays that they are unwilling to give you a proper check up.

I went in to my doctor the start of last month with a very hard lump on my neck, I thought it could be a swollen gland but it had been there for a month before. The doctor never once took my temperature, or checked my chest, she was even reluctant to touch the lump.

I remember years ago no matter what you went to the doctor with you were given a thourough going over, not anymore it seems. It would probably take longer than 10 minutes if they were to do it and they would lose out on money.

Meangadh · 09-02-2013 05:31PM

Candie wrote: »

Surely any good doctor, when confronted with an obviously overwhelmed patient, is going to ask about stress?

And after asking her about stress she got more emotional? Isn't that a red flag for anxiety and stress?

I was getting chest pains a few years back, and obviously the doctors I saw asked me about stress and anxiety and all that- I'd no problem with that. But it honestly did not matter how many times I kept telling them I wasn't stressed, they kept pressing the matter- which MADE me stressed then! I got so upset that they wouldn't listen to me. So then I did look like I was having a breakdown because I just felt like no one was listening. So I can understand where the OP is coming from on that front. Turns out it was food allergies anyway. A very frustrating time though.

December2012 wrote: »

But in the end..... Did it matter? His suggestion of the cause of the stomach pains is not a firm diagnosis. GPS will never say "this is x".

Mental health is a huge issue and it would have been negligent for him not to follow this line of enquiry.

Totally agree- but I do think doctors can sometimes assume stress, rather than looking beyond it.

tightropetom · 10-02-2013 12:46AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think this is what happened.

Girl goes to doctor, doctor said she had a cold. Girl said no and started crying. Doctor told her to go to the hospital. Girl refused.

Girl goes back and sees another doctor.new Doctor is more sympathetic and gives girl antibiotics. Girl is satisfied with the diagnoses.

They end!

Except she probably didn't need antibiotics at all.

Rant..experience at doctor this week!

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