sulky drivers on bail.

5 months un jail?

Xander Brief Merry-go-round wrote: »

The sulky drivers from cork got 5months un jail and a 6 year driving ban.
They are released in bail pending appeal.

What can they appeal? A technicality...Your honour it was a cow not a horse.;)

they are entitled to appeal the severity of sentence, same as anyone else is, cant see the appeal succeeding.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0208/breaking45.html

They were filming "2 fast 2 furious boss"

He noted all six accused were "no strangers to the courts" after hearing that, between them, they had 74 previous convictions, mainly for road traffic matters

Well, stick with what you know I guess.

Turner wrote: »

And your experience of dealing with all of Ireland's different types of criminals, solicitors and barristers in the District or Circuit courts is?

Would you like to hear mine?

Mine is extensive, including detailed research on both those convicted and sentencing patterns for my dissertation. You on the other hand spout off populist cliches which the evidence does not support.

Turner wrote: »

Every good criminal appeals jail time.

It gives them a few months extra to...

1. build up a few new charges and plead guilty to them all while eventually in custody
2. They can do what they want for the next few months as they know they will eventually do time and run everything together
3. get their missus pregnant and use this in the appeals court
4. gets their solicitor more free legal aid and give them the chance to use a barrister in the circuit court

Criminals know the legal system better than most.....

*I am not referring the sulky racers as the above

1. Fact one of the main questions a judge asks on Appeal, has the person come to attention, if answer is yes then not much hope of getting a reduction.
2 no they can not any offences committed on bail must be served consecutively.
3 As most appeal are heard in less than 9 months bit risky.
3 the extra fee for an appeal is €150 if I remember correctly if a barrister involved the best he can hope for is half of the solicitors fee as there is usually no legal aid for a barrister in a appeal from the DC.

The criminals who know the legal system, well they never end up in front of it.

My experience a barrister who practices in criminal, the reason I'm not sure of the fee in appeals, well I never got paid for 1 simples.

Turner wrote: »

Sorry, after spouting the above, I rest my case.

"Strike Out"

You have no case to rest, your post shows a huge ignorance of both the actual reality of sentencing and more worryingly a total lack of understanding of the criminal appeals procedure.

Turner wrote: »

My post is from over ten years experience of convictions, sentencing, bail hearings, Section 99 re-entrys and appeals in front of over probably 25 district circuit and high court Judges combined around the country.

My dear chap, you cannot have a criminal appeal in front of a district court judge, district court appeals are held in front of a circut court judge, appeals from the circut and central criminal courts are heard by a three judge panel in the court of criminal appeal, not the high court.
Go bluff elsewhere.

Turner wrote: »

Lets let the thread move on...

Hold your horses! (See what I did there)

This is going to descend into the average jam v butter on toast type thread, keep this little argument going.

Wiley said you wouldn't know a court if you were standing on one with a tennis racket in your hand, are you going to take that?

Bla-bla sentenced to bla-bla for bla-bla

rabble rabble

meh