Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 11:37PM

apkebcfrxvlms4 wrote: »

You landed a right thump on the car door eh! Well done sir - your parents must be very proud!

as yours would be when you destroy someones life with moronic driving! but hey your so cutting edge with your driving skills lets not worry!:rolleyes:

irlirishkev · 07-02-2013 11:59PM

Knasher wrote: »

Sometime in 1997
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html
Scroll down to section 46, paraphrasing, it is illegal to cross a road within 15 meters of a traffic crossing except via the traffic crossing when the light facing you is green.

Ah okay it's in the statute. Don't think it's an arrestable offence though. Anyway. Point taken like I said. Drifting off topic a tad

Keep_Her_Lit · 08-02-2013 12:04AM

PC CDROM wrote: »

I'd enjoy driving over you when you break a red.

Enjoy your pathetic little fantasy.

glic71rods46t0 · 08-02-2013 12:10AM

imurdaddy wrote: »

as yours would be when you destroy someones life with moronic driving! but hey your so cutting edge with your driving skills lets not worry!:rolleyes:

You don't do logical fallacies by half, do you? Well done, deducting my driving skills based only my posts on this thread. I wonder what people would deduce about you based only on your posts on this thread?

imurdaddy · 08-02-2013 12:10AM

PC CDROM wrote: »

I'd enjoy driving over you when you break a red.

Will you enjoy the beating i give you for tryin to kill me?

imurdaddy · 08-02-2013 12:15AM

apkebcfrxvlms4 wrote: »

You don't do logical fallacies by half, do you? Well done, deducting my driving skills based only my posts on this thread. I wonder what people would deduce about you based only on your posts on this thread?

deduce what you want i'm not the one blowin about running over cyclists and walkers! can you not see the prolblem? try understand the words you use also makes you look a little dim!

dan1895 · 08-02-2013 12:44AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

I notice the way alot of people just cant get their head around the fact the cyclist was in the wrong. Witnesses at the scene agreed with the OP and said they seen it unfold. Sure the OP could be lying, but why would he bother, just to get sympathy in AH....!

I think we all agree that motorists in Ireland are not the best and have bad habits.

I think we can all agree that pedestrians like to play chicken with traffic. I was heading home through fairview the other night and a group of lads thought playing with traffic was a great laugh, they actually where PLAYING with traffic at 1am. I dont like playing chicken with pedestrians while im on my motornike, it makes me cranky.

And i think we can all agree that cyclists should stop at a red light.

If some guy who was in the wrong came up to my wife and called her a cnut, id be none to pleased and probably either be arrested or get a good kicking.

How was the cyclist wrong if you don't mind explaining.

opti0nal · 08-02-2013 01:21AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

I think we all agree that motorists in Ireland are not the best and have bad habits.

Such as killing or maiming people and putting people in fear of their lives. You make these acts sound like lovable indiscretions.

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

IAnd i think we can all agree that cyclists should stop at a red light.

There was no red light.

fasttalkerchat · 08-02-2013 02:04AM

Today I was driving through some town near Sligo. A cyclist was in the middle of the road in front of me... and he got off, let traffic flow and then got back on his bike.

They're not all bad!

opti0nal · 08-02-2013 02:17AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Today I was driving through some town near Sligo. A cyclist was in the middle of the road in front of me... and he got off, let traffic flow and then got back on his bike. They're not all bad!

Yesterday a motorist got five years jail for killing an innocent couple while he drove on the wrong side of the road with nearly double the legal alcohol limit in his blood. The lady died at the scene from massive injuries, her husband died shortly afterwards in hospital. Their children are devastated.

The driver is appealing the conviction because of the way the guards got access to his blood data from the hospital.

fasttalkerchat · 08-02-2013 02:37AM

opti0nal wrote: »

Yesterday a motorist got five years jail for killing an innocent couple while he drove on the wrong side of the road with nearly double the legal alcohol limit in his blood. The lady died at the scene from massive injuries, her husband died shortly afterwards in hospital. Their children are devastated.

The driver is appealing the conviction because of the way the guards got access to his blood data from the hospital.

I don't think anyone's denying there are bad drivers. I was just pointing out good cyclist behaviour, where a cyclist went out of his way to make sure he didn't hold up traffic.

opti0nal · 08-02-2013 03:15AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I don't think anyone's denying there are bad drivers. I was just pointing out good cyclist behaviour, where a cyclist went out of his way to make sure he didn't hold up traffic.

You mean like drivers who don't park or stop in cycle lanes even when permitted? Or the 22% of drivers who obey speed limits?

fasttalkerchat · 08-02-2013 03:47AM

opti0nal wrote: »

You mean like drivers who don't park or stop in cycle lanes even when permitted? Or the 22% of drivers who obey speed limits?

If you're going to complain about me doing 65 in a 60 just make sure you're not trundling along at 15!

Seaneh · 08-02-2013 04:26AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If you're going to complain about me doing 65 in a 60 just make sure you're not trundling along at 15!

No law against going 15 on any roads besides motor ways and dual carriage ways, there is a law against going 65 on a 60...

endacl · 08-02-2013 04:38AM

Cienciano wrote: »

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StinkyMunkey · 08-02-2013 05:33AM

imurdaddy wrote: »

Because he turned across a cycle lane without due care and nearly killed a member of the public! 100% wrong, the the bike has right away. how do you not grasp that? would you turn across the left hand lane without checking around you? read the rules of the road.

He didn't nearly kill anyone, the cyclist should have been paying due care and attention, or does that not apply to cyclists. The light was red, where did he think he was going huh, now how about you read the rules of the road - hint, you stop at a red light.

StinkyMunkey · 08-02-2013 05:40AM

opti0nal wrote: »

Such as killing or maiming people and putting people in fear of their lives. You make these acts sound like lovable indiscretions.

There was no red light.

So saying motorist are not the best and have bad habits is akin to saying thier just loveable rogues - get a grip. What should I say, every motorist out there thinks he is mad max.

Try reading the first post before you say there was no red light, it might help.

So all motorists maim, kill and put the fear in everyone's lives. Is it death race your talking about, wrong forum.

Canis Lupus · 08-02-2013 05:46AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

He didn't nearly kill anyone, the cyclist should have been paying due care and attention, or does that not apply to cyclists. The light was red, where did he think he was going huh, now how about you read the rules of the road - hint, you stop at a red light.

I think you need to reread the OP. There was no indication the cyclist was going to break any red light, he was minding his own business in the cycle lane when the OP crossed in front of him without checking the cycling lane for oncoming traffic. (unless you're somehow suggesting that a cyclist needs to stop whenever he/she sees a red light in the distance but... that would be ridonkulous)

StinkyMunkey · 08-02-2013 06:00AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I think you need to reread the OP. There was no indication the cyclist was going to break any red light, he was minding his own business in the cycle lane when the OP crossed in front of him without checking the cycling lane for oncoming traffic. (unless you're somehow suggesting that a cyclist needs to stop whenever he/she sees a red light in the distance but... that would be ridonkulous)

Think you need to read it again, was the drivers view obstructed so he couldn't see the cyclist who "wasn't" looking where he was going. Like I said, do cyclists not have to pay due care and attention as well or is that ridonkulos?

Seaneh · 08-02-2013 06:12AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Think you need to read it again, was the drivers view obstructed so he couldn't see the cyclist who "wasn't" looking where he was going. Like I said, do cyclists not have to pay due care and attention as well or is that ridonkulos?

he was in a ****ing bike lane, he shouldn't have to slam on his breaks because some dickhead in a car doesn't know the rules of the road and pulls into on comming traffic.

It wasn't me! · 08-02-2013 06:14AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Think you need to read it again, was the drivers view obstructed so he couldn't see the cyclist who "wasn't" looking where he was going. Like I said, do cyclists not have to pay due care and attention as well or is that ridonkulos?

The cycle lane is on the far left, so traffic travelling in the same direction as the cycle lane impedes visibility of the oncoming traffic in the far lane. The cyclist has right of way over traffic turning across his lane, always. It is 100% the driver's fault, in exactly the same ways as if you were driving along and someone cut across your lane to turn at a junction, you have right of way. Also, the simplest fact of all is that since the OP drove across a box and the subsequent cycle lane where his view was obstructed and therefore didn't see the cyclist, he's talking through his hole when he comments on how the cyclist wasn't looking where he was going, as he clearly can't have had any indication of that, since he didn't see the cyclist coming in the first place.

Canis Lupus · 08-02-2013 06:16AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Think you need to read it again, was the drivers view obstructed so he couldn't see the cyclist who "wasn't" looking where he was going. Like I said, do cyclists not have to pay due care and attention as well or is that ridonkulos?

Firstly I should probably clarify I don't agree with the cyclist in this case. One of the things I always watch out for is a junction when traffic is stopped as clearly it's a time when turning cars will turn. If a cyclist is hit in this scenario it's the cars fault however being in the right doesn't exactly compensate one for being killed/severely injured.

Now, having said that the cyclist in this case was in his cycling lane, the car was coming from the opposite direction and crossed what is a lane of traffic without checking for any oncoming bikes and almost caused an accident as a result. Clearly the cyclist was paying attention as he was able to brake in time to stop from being splatted.

I appreciate from a self preservation perspective the cyclist should have approached the junction with care but if we're arguing about who was 'right' then the cyclist was, stupid without doubt but definitely in the right.

StinkyMunkey · 08-02-2013 06:17AM

Seaneh wrote: »

he was in a ****ing bike lane, he shouldn't have to slam on his breaks because some dickhead in a car doesn't know the rules of the road and pulls into on comming traffic.

Ill take that as a, yeah the cyclist shouldn't ****ing have to look where he is going. And everyone who witnessed the incident is wrong because how can a cyclist in a cycle lane be wrong. Maybe they should just make it illegal for anyone to encroach on a cycle lane unless of course your a cyclist, who we all know can do no wrong.

Canis Lupus · 08-02-2013 06:22AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Ill take that as a, yeah the cyclist shouldn't ****ing have to look where he is going. And everyone who witnessed the incident is wrong because how can a cyclist in a cycle lane be wrong. Maybe they should just make it illegal for anyone to encroach on a cycle lane unless of course your a cyclist, who we all know can do no wrong.

In fairness you're just trolling now. Even the OP has conceded his girlfriend was wrong (although no one condones the cyclist for acting the dick after the incident).

myflipflops · 08-02-2013 06:54AM

Seaneh wrote: »

No law against going 15 on any roads besides motor ways and dual carriage ways, there is a law against going 65 on a 60...

I thought there was. Termed as 'failing to making sufficient progress' or something'??

I remember my driving instructor mentioning it ten years ago.

opti0nal · 08-02-2013 07:25AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Try reading the first post before you say there was no red light, it might help.

You're being disengenous, the traffic was backed up from a red light, but OP does not actually say that the cyclist broke a red light or was about to.

opti0nal · 08-02-2013 07:27AM

myflipflops wrote: »

I thought there was. Termed as 'failing to making sufficient progress' or something'?? I remember my driving instructor mentioning it ten years ago.

It's a factor in a drving test but not an actual law as such. Of course, obstruction is against the law.

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 10:29AM

hardCopy wrote: »

Or you could just, you know, look out for cyclists.

Some cyclists do have mirrors but they're pretty pointless since bikes don't have blind spots. Bikes also don't kill people when they change lanes without looking.

They're not really unpredictable at all, when cars stop in a traffic jam cyclists continue to filter. Just assume there is always the possibility of a cyclist moving through stationary cars and watch out for them.

Hmmm debatable there, ever noticed the number of helmet cam videos where cyclists seldom seem to actually look anywhere behind them?

Beasty · 08-02-2013 10:36AM

Let's just get the facts right here. The cyclist was approaching lights in a cycle lane. The law permits him to continue to overtake on the inside in a cycle lane in slow moving or stopped traffic. He was entitled to cross the yellow box and proceed to the lights. He never broke any light.

The OP cut across the yellow box when it was not safe to do so

Now both the cyclist and OP should have exercised caution. Based on the OP's explanation it would appear the cyclist was going too fast. Does that excuse the motorist for cutting across a yellow box that clearly was not clear? Absolutely not.

Ray Palmer · 08-02-2013 10:44AM

I think it is odd they way people are defending the driver by saying he had an obstructed view. Why did he keep moving so? You aren't meant to blindly go forward if you can't check the way is clear.
Saying the cyclist was going too fast is strange too. Cars and motor bike would have been faster.
Drivers don't always see cyclists because they don't look for them. I already posted what happened to me. Driver passed me then pulled straight across me. He didn't see me but he did or he would have just driven straight over me. Simply not paying enough attention forgetting he was crossing a lane of traffic.
I am getting a cam for my bike soon and going to report to Garda from now on.

Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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