Alleged Homophobic Attack in Spar Dame Street, Reaction!

rochey84 · 03-02-2013 11:38PM #1

I'm posting this here primarily for the diverse opinion that will come from being posted in AH. So guys please discuss the following:

I've been thinking a lot about the alleged incident in Spar on Dame Street last week, I've listened to a lot of the commentary, including that of supposed leaders of the LGBT community and I have a few things I'd like to say:

1) The general consensus is that "the 2 lads, and all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this", however I call bull**** on this. We are not gonna change the attitude of ignorant homophobes is to normalise same sex relations in public.

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

3) I hate that I have to write this post! What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?

I'm sorry this status is so long but we really need change in this country and it won't come from us doing nothing, we can't allow this kind of thing to continue to happen.

So to the LGBT community, the straight people who aren't homophobic I ask that we all come together and even though we will never change the attitudes of those who don't want to see the light, we have to let them know that their actions are not condoned and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

http://www.thejournal.ie/spar-investigates-alleged-homophobic-incident-at-dame-street-store-773660-Jan2013/

for those who are not aware of what happened please see above link!

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 03-02-2013 11:41PM

WTF are you talking about Willis?

Are we meant to stand up and fight for every other perceived "hate crime"?

We would get nothing done. If I saw someone getting a beating that was outnumbered I would step in, but there are risks, plus most of the time you wouldn't know what it was about.

Were two guys kissing in Spar or something? Have you got a cape on?

rochey84 · 03-02-2013 11:44PM

I'm not asking that you go out looking for this and to act on it, I'm saying when you see it happening intervene! Don't avoid it, don't pretend it isn't your problem, what would you do if the victim(s) were your friends, brother, sister, cousin? would you sit back and let it happen cause it isn't your fight?

Well the fact is, that everyone of the victims are someone's friends, brother, sister, cousin! Why are you happy to allow this to happen?

doubleyoubee · 03-02-2013 11:44PM

Reading your post was like watching a Glee box set.

Madam_X · 03-02-2013 11:46PM

rochey84 wrote: »

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions

No we are not.

everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

No we are not.

rochey84 · 03-02-2013 11:46PM

yeah it's a bit idealistic but if we can't dream of a better world how will we ever achieve it!

Ihatecuddles-old · 03-02-2013 11:46PM

It's a post, not a status!!

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 03-02-2013 11:47PM

rochey84 wrote: »

I'm not asking that you go out looking for this and to act on it, I'm saying when you see it happening intervene! Don't avoid it, don't pretend it isn't your problem, what would you do if the victim(s) were your friends, brother, sister, cousin? would you sit back and let it happen cause it isn't your fight?

Well the fact is, that everyone of the victims are someone's friends, brother, sister, cousin! Why are you happy to allow this to happen?

Who said I was happy? I don't even know what happened.

Also, it would help if you took your mask off and re read my post...Capt. Hero.

Would you step in....have you ever stepped in? I have and sometimes it's just not worth the hassle.

TeddyTedson · 03-02-2013 11:47PM

Did they ask for help though?
If I saw people fighting in town I'd just assume it was drunken nonsense and leave them to it.
If someone asked me for help though I would try stop the fight.
I'm a peaceful spirit.

Fr_Dougal · 03-02-2013 11:47PM

rochey84 wrote: »

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

Bullsh1t. Some of us have our own sh1t to take care of.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 03-02-2013 11:48PM

rochey84 wrote: »

yeah it's a bit idealistic but if we can't dream of a better world how will we ever achieve it!

Maybe start with someting small....like No Nukes....or recycle more.

I still don't actually know what you were talking about.

Odysseus · 03-02-2013 11:48PM

OP how about infroming those who are not awate of the incident as to what happen, and what the reaction is that you have been thinking about?

Czarcasm · 03-02-2013 11:48PM

I was willing to give you a hearing up until-

rochey84 wrote: »

and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

That'll be a categorical NO then. Because I am neither a violent thug nor a savage. Violence will solve nothing.

Anyway, any chance of a link to the story for those of us not au fait with what happened?

rochey84 · 03-02-2013 11:49PM

Madam_X wrote: »

No we are not.

No we are not.

does it make you feel better to think that?

Tell me if you saw a woman being mugged/raped and you could intervene and help her would you?

I'm assuming your answer there is yeah you would, so what changes if it is a person being battered when they could intervene, and that intervention only has to be calling the emergancy services.

Or even if you saw a fight in the street would you not think to call the garda?

Biggins · 03-02-2013 11:49PM

rochey84 wrote: »

I'm posting this here primarily for the diverse opinion that will come from being posted in AH. So guys please discuss the following:

I've been thinking a lot about the alleged incident in Spar on Dame Street last week, I've listened to a lot of the commentary, including that of supposed leaders of the LGBT community and I have a few things I'd like to say:

1) The general consensus is that the 2 lads, and all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this, however I call bull**** on this. We are not gonna change the attitude of ignorant homophobes is to normalise same sex relations in public.

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

3) I hate that I have to write this status! What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?

I'm sorry this status is so long but we really need change in this country and it won't come from us doing nothing, we can't allow this kind of thing to continue to happen.

So to the LGBT community, the straight people who aren't homophobic I ask that we all come together and even though we will never change the attitudes of those who don't want to see the light, we have to let them know that their actions are not condoned and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

Points one and three are sort of in conflict with each other.
You say "...all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this,..."
Yet... "What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?"

I know what your trying to possibly say but lets be honest, if we are to be a more fairer, equal society, as long as ALL lovers use generally accepted decorum/manners in public, anyone that of the LGBT community is equally entitled to give their partner equal show of affection as others, without a fear of being hassled.

To have to alter they ways to suit a small fringe bigoted few, is to give into bullying and intimidation.

mikemac1 · 03-02-2013 11:50PM

I've stepped into rows before

Some lad pushing around his girlfriend in Eyre Sq.

And they both turn on me, how dare I go near "me fella" :rolleyes:

Some women just seem to love the violent louts

As said above if I see I a row these days it's probably drunks, I'll stay walking

Witcher · 03-02-2013 11:50PM

rochey84 wrote: »

if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

Right up until they pull you to the ground and kick your head in.

CatFromHue · 03-02-2013 11:51PM

What happened in Spar on Dame Street last week?

I know nothing of what the op is talking about

r3nu4l · 03-02-2013 11:51PM

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

It's a post, not a status!!

This is probably a copy/paste from his Facebook profile. Do carry on people.

rochey84 · 03-02-2013 11:51PM

Biggins wrote: »

Points one and three are sort of in conflict with each other.
You say "...all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this,..."
Yet... "What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?"

I know what your trying to possibly say but lets be honest, if we are to be a more fairer, equal society, as long as ALL lovers use generally accepted decorum/manners in public, anyone that of the LGBT community is equally entitled to give their partner equal show of affection as others, without a fear of being hassled.

To have to alter they ways to suit a small fringe bigoted few, is to give into bullying and intimidation.

Apologies Biggins, it was actually a quote from the supposed leaders of the LGBT community, give me a minute and I'll edit!

Biggins · 03-02-2013 11:52PM

rochey84 wrote: »

Apologies Biggins, it was actually a quote from the supposed leaders of the LGBT community, give me a minute and I'll edit!

No worries - the point I make still stands.
(Basically, stuff the bullies!)

Boombastic · 03-02-2013 11:52PM

Reaction when I saw the thread title:(

Reaction when I read the first post

Reaction when I read

Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions,

:rolleyes:

fasttalkerchat · 03-02-2013 11:53PM

This thread will probably get locked like the other ones but anyway...

One security guard was in the wrong and will be sacked and have a day in court. The two lads were not out of line IMO and were provoked so hopefully will get compensated.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 03-02-2013 11:55PM

So two gay guys were being intimate in a shop and security threw them out?

Am I close at all?

Jacob T · 03-02-2013 11:55PM

♫ We got to work for a better future
♫ We've got to join hands for tomorrow
Take the first step and you will see ♫
The future begins with you and me ♫

♫ ♫♫

1ZRed · 03-02-2013 11:56PM

Whoever tf these "LGBT leaders" are, I sure as feck don't listen to them and they don't tell me what to do or how I should react to things.

I'll make my own mind up thanks.

Annasopra · 03-02-2013 11:57PM

rochey84 wrote: »

Apologies Biggins, it was actually a quote from the supposed leaders of the LGBT community, give me a minute and I'll edit!

Who?

rochey84 · 03-02-2013 11:58PM

Apologies to anyone who doesn't know the original story I have edited the OP to include the following link:

http://www.thejournal.ie/spar-investigates-alleged-homophobic-incident-at-dame-street-store-773660-Jan2013/

orestes · 03-02-2013 11:58PM

rochey84 wrote: »

So to the LGBT community, the straight people who aren't homophobic I ask that we all come together and even though we will never change the attitudes of those who don't want to see the light, we have to let them know that their actions are not condoned and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

Peoples attitudes towards alternative sexuality are changing all the time, with the exception of a few small-minded bigots, but they're the kind of people who hate anyone who isn't like them (immigrants, gingers, goths, yada yada yada) so to hell with them, leave them to their hatred. Yes they are scum, but don't let them taint your view of the entire population, because it's just ludicrous, unfair and screams of sensationalism.

I don't think one homophobic security guard giving two guys abuse negates decades of progress in the mindset of a nation, if anything the outcry about the incident proves that the people of Ireland in general are far more in favour of equality for members of the LGBT community than going back to the pitchfork days, which is more than can be said for your call to arms. This kind of us-vs-them mentality is what causes hatred on both sides, let it go. Equality is happening, slowly but surely, so either get behind it or find another cause to champion, because thankfully this one has a limited life-span (hopefully).

Biggins · 03-02-2013 11:59PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Who?

Some Tom, Dick and Marriott.

rochey84 · 04-02-2013 12:00AM

mango salsa wrote: »

Who?

I would rather not name names but I'm talking about people who are highly involved in the GCN and BeLonGTo.

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