Alleged Homophobic Attack in Spar Dame Street, Reaction!

rochey84

I'm posting this here primarily for the diverse opinion that will come from being posted in AH. So guys please discuss the following:

I've been thinking a lot about the alleged incident in Spar on Dame Street last week, I've listened to a lot of the commentary, including that of supposed leaders of the LGBT community and I have a few things I'd like to say:

1) The general consensus is that "the 2 lads, and all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this", however I call bull**** on this. We are not gonna change the attitude of ignorant homophobes is to normalise same sex relations in public.

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

3) I hate that I have to write this post! What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?

I'm sorry this status is so long but we really need change in this country and it won't come from us doing nothing, we can't allow this kind of thing to continue to happen.

So to the LGBT community, the straight people who aren't homophobic I ask that we all come together and even though we will never change the attitudes of those who don't want to see the light, we have to let them know that their actions are not condoned and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

http://www.thejournal.ie/spar-investigates-alleged-homophobic-incident-at-dame-street-store-773660-Jan2013/

for those who are not aware of what happened please see above link!

Praetorian Saighdiuir

WTF are you talking about Willis?

Are we meant to stand up and fight for every other perceived "hate crime"?

We would get nothing done. If I saw someone getting a beating that was outnumbered I would step in, but there are risks, plus most of the time you wouldn't know what it was about.

Were two guys kissing in Spar or something? Have you got a cape on?

rochey84

I'm not asking that you go out looking for this and to act on it, I'm saying when you see it happening intervene! Don't avoid it, don't pretend it isn't your problem, what would you do if the victim(s) were your friends, brother, sister, cousin? would you sit back and let it happen cause it isn't your fight?

Well the fact is, that everyone of the victims are someone's friends, brother, sister, cousin! Why are you happy to allow this to happen?

doubleyoubee

Reading your post was like watching a Glee box set.

Madam_X

rochey84 wrote: »

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions

No we are not.

everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

No we are not.

rochey84

yeah it's a bit idealistic but if we can't dream of a better world how will we ever achieve it!

Ihatecuddles-old

It's a post, not a status!!

Praetorian Saighdiuir

rochey84 wrote: »

I'm not asking that you go out looking for this and to act on it, I'm saying when you see it happening intervene! Don't avoid it, don't pretend it isn't your problem, what would you do if the victim(s) were your friends, brother, sister, cousin? would you sit back and let it happen cause it isn't your fight?

Well the fact is, that everyone of the victims are someone's friends, brother, sister, cousin! Why are you happy to allow this to happen?

Who said I was happy? I don't even know what happened.

Also, it would help if you took your mask off and re read my post...Capt. Hero.

Would you step in....have you ever stepped in? I have and sometimes it's just not worth the hassle.

TeddyTedson

Did they ask for help though?
If I saw people fighting in town I'd just assume it was drunken nonsense and leave them to it.
If someone asked me for help though I would try stop the fight.
I'm a peaceful spirit.

Fr_Dougal

rochey84 wrote: »

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

Bullsh1t. Some of us have our own sh1t to take care of.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

rochey84 wrote: »

yeah it's a bit idealistic but if we can't dream of a better world how will we ever achieve it!

Maybe start with someting small....like No Nukes....or recycle more.

I still don't actually know what you were talking about.

Odysseus

OP how about infroming those who are not awate of the incident as to what happen, and what the reaction is that you have been thinking about?

Czarcasm

I was willing to give you a hearing up until-

rochey84 wrote: »

and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

That'll be a categorical NO then. Because I am neither a violent thug nor a savage. Violence will solve nothing.

Anyway, any chance of a link to the story for those of us not au fait with what happened?

rochey84

Madam_X wrote: »

No we are not.

No we are not.

does it make you feel better to think that?

Tell me if you saw a woman being mugged/raped and you could intervene and help her would you?

I'm assuming your answer there is yeah you would, so what changes if it is a person being battered when they could intervene, and that intervention only has to be calling the emergancy services.

Or even if you saw a fight in the street would you not think to call the garda?

Biggins

rochey84 wrote: »

I'm posting this here primarily for the diverse opinion that will come from being posted in AH. So guys please discuss the following:

I've been thinking a lot about the alleged incident in Spar on Dame Street last week, I've listened to a lot of the commentary, including that of supposed leaders of the LGBT community and I have a few things I'd like to say:

1) The general consensus is that the 2 lads, and all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this, however I call bull**** on this. We are not gonna change the attitude of ignorant homophobes is to normalise same sex relations in public.

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

3) I hate that I have to write this status! What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?

I'm sorry this status is so long but we really need change in this country and it won't come from us doing nothing, we can't allow this kind of thing to continue to happen.

So to the LGBT community, the straight people who aren't homophobic I ask that we all come together and even though we will never change the attitudes of those who don't want to see the light, we have to let them know that their actions are not condoned and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

Points one and three are sort of in conflict with each other.
You say "...all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this,..."
Yet... "What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?"

I know what your trying to possibly say but lets be honest, if we are to be a more fairer, equal society, as long as ALL lovers use generally accepted decorum/manners in public, anyone that of the LGBT community is equally entitled to give their partner equal show of affection as others, without a fear of being hassled.

To have to alter they ways to suit a small fringe bigoted few, is to give into bullying and intimidation.

mikemac1

I've stepped into rows before

Some lad pushing around his girlfriend in Eyre Sq.

And they both turn on me, how dare I go near "me fella" :rolleyes:

Some women just seem to love the violent louts

As said above if I see I a row these days it's probably drunks, I'll stay walking

Witcher

rochey84 wrote: »

if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

Right up until they pull you to the ground and kick your head in.

CatFromHue

What happened in Spar on Dame Street last week?

I know nothing of what the op is talking about

r3nu4l

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

It's a post, not a status!!

This is probably a copy/paste from his Facebook profile. Do carry on people.

rochey84

Biggins wrote: »

Points one and three are sort of in conflict with each other.
You say "...all LGBT people should be showing discretion when showing each other affection in public for fear of incidents like this,..."
Yet... "What difference does it make to people who someone else loves?"

I know what your trying to possibly say but lets be honest, if we are to be a more fairer, equal society, as long as ALL lovers use generally accepted decorum/manners in public, anyone that of the LGBT community is equally entitled to give their partner equal show of affection as others, without a fear of being hassled.

To have to alter they ways to suit a small fringe bigoted few, is to give into bullying and intimidation.

Apologies Biggins, it was actually a quote from the supposed leaders of the LGBT community, give me a minute and I'll edit!

Biggins

rochey84 wrote: »

Apologies Biggins, it was actually a quote from the supposed leaders of the LGBT community, give me a minute and I'll edit!

No worries - the point I make still stands.
(Basically, stuff the bullies!)

Boombastic

Reaction when I saw the thread title:(

Reaction when I read the first post
Reaction when I read

Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions,

:rolleyes:

fasttalkerchat

This thread will probably get locked like the other ones but anyway...

One security guard was in the wrong and will be sacked and have a day in court. The two lads were not out of line IMO and were provoked so hopefully will get compensated.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

So two gay guys were being intimate in a shop and security threw them out?

Am I close at all?

Jacob T

♫ We got to work for a better future
♫ We've got to join hands for tomorrow
Take the first step and you will see ♫
The future begins with you and me ♫

♫ ♫♫

1ZRed

Whoever tf these "LGBT leaders" are, I sure as feck don't listen to them and they don't tell me what to do or how I should react to things.

I'll make my own mind up thanks.

Annasopra

rochey84 wrote: »

Apologies Biggins, it was actually a quote from the supposed leaders of the LGBT community, give me a minute and I'll edit!

Who?

rochey84

Apologies to anyone who doesn't know the original story I have edited the OP to include the following link:

http://www.thejournal.ie/spar-investigates-alleged-homophobic-incident-at-dame-street-store-773660-Jan2013/

orestes

rochey84 wrote: »

So to the LGBT community, the straight people who aren't homophobic I ask that we all come together and even though we will never change the attitudes of those who don't want to see the light, we have to let them know that their actions are not condoned and if that means a fist fight in the street than bring it on!!!

Peoples attitudes towards alternative sexuality are changing all the time, with the exception of a few small-minded bigots, but they're the kind of people who hate anyone who isn't like them (immigrants, gingers, goths, yada yada yada) so to hell with them, leave them to their hatred. Yes they are scum, but don't let them taint your view of the entire population, because it's just ludicrous, unfair and screams of sensationalism.

I don't think one homophobic security guard giving two guys abuse negates decades of progress in the mindset of a nation, if anything the outcry about the incident proves that the people of Ireland in general are far more in favour of equality for members of the LGBT community than going back to the pitchfork days, which is more than can be said for your call to arms. This kind of us-vs-them mentality is what causes hatred on both sides, let it go. Equality is happening, slowly but surely, so either get behind it or find another cause to champion, because thankfully this one has a limited life-span (hopefully).

Biggins

mango salsa wrote: »

Who?

Some Tom, Dick and Marriott.

rochey84

mango salsa wrote: »

Who?

I would rather not name names but I'm talking about people who are highly involved in the GCN and BeLonGTo.

rochey84

orestes wrote: »

Peoples attitudes towards alternative sexuality are changing all the time, with the exception of a few small-minded bigots, but they're the kind of people who hate anyone who isn't like them (immigrants, gingers, goths, yada yada yada) so to hell with them, leave them to their hatred. Yes they are scum, but don't let them taint your view of the entire population, because it's just ludicrous, unfair and screams of sensationalism.

I don't think one homophobic security guard giving two guys abuse negates decades of progress in the mindset of a nation, if anything the outcry about the incident proves that the people of Ireland in general are far more in favour of equality for members of the LGBT community than going back to the pitchfork days, which is more than can be said for your call to arms. This kind of us-vs-them mentality is what causes hatred on both sides, let it go. Equality is happening, slowly but surely, so either get behind it or find another cause to champion, because thankfully this one has a limited life-span (hopefully).

I'm not just talking about that "one" security guard, there were obviously other people in that shop that stood back and allowed this to happen, why didn't they intervene and tell the security guard that he was out of line?

Were they afraid that they might not get their rolls? Did one of them call the garda?

I may have gone too far in calling for people to degenerate into fist fights but this is something that really winds me up and I just wish that we had full equality in this country!

fasttalkerchat

Stealth Recce wrote: »

So two gay guys were being intimate in a shop and security threw them out?

Am I close at all?

IIRC and based on a one sided account:
2 fellas kissed.
Security man: "Dirty queers"
2 fellas continued shopping.
More abuse from security man telling them to get to ****.
Squares up to one fella.
Other fella pushes security man.
Security man assaults both.
2 fellas post about it on facebook.


Basically that's it.

Annasopra

Stealth Recce wrote: »

So two gay guys were being intimate in a shop and security threw them out?

Am I close at all?

There was some alleged abuse in Spar on Dame St last week. It was written about on spars facebook page. Lots of nasty comments and silly comments on their page despite the fact that they were only allegations.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/spar-investigates-claim-security-guard-subjected-couple-to-homophobic-abuse-3369549.html

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/29/ireland-gay-couple-kicked-out-of-spar-store-by-security-guard-for-kissing/

fasttalkerchat

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

IIRC and based on a one sided account:
2 fellas kissed.
Security man: "Dirty queers"
2 fellas continued shopping.
More abuse from security man telling them to get to ****.
Squares up to one fella.
Other fella pushes security man.
Security man assaults both.
2 fellas post about it on facebook.


Basically that's it.

So aggravated assault on the security guard?

rochey84

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

IIRC and based on a one sided account:
2 fellas kissed.
Security man: "Dirty queers"
2 fellas continued shopping.
More abuse from security man telling them to get to ****.
Squares up to one fella.
Other fella pushes security man.
Security man assaults both.
2 fellas post about it on facebook.


Basically that's it.

Yeah 2 people post about it on Facebook, did you look at the link I posted? It has made national news, was a feature on a lot of phone in radio shows!

Madam_X

If a person has the power to intervene (and that's rare in fairness, there is nothing wrong with them valuing their own safety) in ANY assault (why are you discriminating OP?) and they don't bother, then they're a dick... but obviously not as bad as the person/people doing the assaulting.

That's about all there is to it really.

To use your logic: If you haven't intervened (when you could) on a non gay person being assaulted, shame on you btw - you're as bad as the perpetrators. :mad:

See? It's silly. How do you know people witnessing it didn't call the guards? Does it suit you to assume they didn't?

not yet

Jacob T wrote: »

♫ We got to work for a better future
♫ We've got to join hands for tomorrow
Take the first step and you will see ♫
The future begins with you and me ♫

♫ ♫♫

What key is that in...

Annasopra

rochey84 wrote: »

I would rather not name names but I'm talking about people who are highly involved in the GCN and BeLonGTo.

I'm not sure what they said though?

Witcher

rochey84 wrote: »

Were they afraid that they might not get their rolls? Did one of them call the garda?

Why would they call the guards?

If I was in a shop kissing a girl and security came along and said 'get out ya pair of straight fcukers' and he pushed us out the door I wouldn't go crying to the guards. FFS you have a chin for a reason...take things on it.

fasttalkerchat

rochey84 wrote: »

Yeah 2 people post about it on Facebook, did you look at the link I posted? It has made national news, was a feature on a lot of phone in radio shows!

I saw the original post on facebook. Not interested in other people opinions enough to listen to Joe Duffyyyyyyy or the papers.

We won't know what went on for sure until its in court if that happens.

Senna

rochey84 wrote: »

Yeah 2 people post about it on Facebook, did you look at the link I posted? It has made national news, was a feature on a lot of phone in radio shows!

Those are reporting the alleged incident, probably going on the "facts" posted on facebook.

UrbanSea

Think this is such a non story. Is a bit of personal abuse by some fella really that much to get so upset about?

Chorcai

As a gay man, I don't go chewing the face off my other half in Spar or on the street etc, why would I want to bring trouble on myself, society has just about accepted homosexuality, where did common sense go ?

phoenix999

From what I've read, the two had a few drinks inside them. What the security guy said (if it's true) was not acceptable in this day and age. But couldn't they have waited until they left the shop before sticking their throats down each others throats?

rochey84

Madam_X wrote: »

If a person has the power to intervene (and that's rare in fairness, there is nothing wrong with them valuing their own safety) in ANY assault (why are you discriminating OP?) and they don't bother, then they're a dick... but obviously not as bad as the person/people doing the assaulting.

That's about all there is to it really.

To use your logic: If you haven't intervened (when you could) on a non gay person being assaulted, shame on you btw - you're as bad as the perpetrators. :mad:

See? It's silly. How do you know people witnessing it didn't call the guards? Does it suit you to assume they didn't?

First off apologies, maybe my call to arms was a little emotive, (this stems from this being an emotive topic for me) I don't condone violence and as I suggested in my earlier reply to you that intervention can come in the form of simply calling the garda!

Secondly yes I have intervened and will continue to be that getting involved in the fight to protect the person being assaulted or calling the garda, or simply looking after the victim after the attack, the sexuality of the victim was not an issue in any of these cases as they seemed to be straight forward muggings in Dublin city centre

orestes

rochey84 wrote: »

I'm not just talking about that "one" security guard, there were obviously other people in that shop that stood back and allowed this to happen, why didn't they intervene and tell the security guard that he was out of line?

Were they afraid that they might not get their rolls? Did one of them call the garda?

I may have gone too far in calling for people to degenerate into fist fights but this is something that really winds me up and I just wish that we had full equality in this country!

You are still basing an entire nations attitude towards alternative sexualities on a single incident, and one that we don't even have all of the information about.

But hey, don't let little things like perspective and rationality get in the way of your crusade. If it's on radio shows already, call Joe, you will fight right in.

Lapin

rochey84 wrote: »

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

One of the most stupidly ridiculous things I have read in a long time.

Dunno whether to be píssed off about it or just ignore it.

So I read it a second time and just laughed.

doubleyoubee

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

IIRC and based on a one sided account:
2 fellas kissed.
Security man: "Dirty queers"
2 fellas continued shopping.
More abuse from security man telling them to get to ****.
Squares up to one fella.
Other fella pushes security man.
Security man assaults both.
2 fellas post about it on facebook.


Basically that's it.

* copies / pastes / mails to Ang Lee *

daRobot

rochey84 wrote: »

2) Straight people who aren't homophobic but turn a blind eye to what allegedly happened in the Spar on Dame Street, you are just as culpable as the people who carry out these actions, all of us your Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender brothers and sisters, friends, cousins, sons, daughters, we need your help to normalise this if that means you sometimes having to fight a fight that isn't your own, tough cause everytime you do nothing when something like this happens in front of you, you are agreeing with the homophobic little pricks who carry out the actions!

Why would you expect members of the public to fight your battles and get involved? I certainly wouldn't if I had witnessed it.

It's also terribly childish and niave to suggest that anyone who didn't get involved, are as responsible as the perpetrator.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Blay wrote: »

FFS you have a chin for a reason...take things on it.

LOLOLOLOLOL